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Well Pete, after reading your invitation to listen to this, I closed my eyes and tried to clear my mind of my long standing prejudices and intolerance of 60s British Pop and then hit the play button. I managed to get nearly half way through before turning it off, which to be fair is further than I got with the Elkie Brooks. My problem obviously, as many others beside yourself love this type of music. I just never did and I still cannot hear any merit in it, especially when it is listed in Soul Source. My apologies if I have wound anyone up, I didn't intend to

I know we all have different tastes but surely this cannot be regarded as anything but a typically mediocre British pop sound of the period. Elkie sounds like Alma Cogan or Marion Worth, bland dance band stalwarts of the time. I was brought up listening to this rubbish while trying desperately to hear on the radio something at least a bit meatier without knowing I wanted 'Soul'. I didn't like it then and like it less now.

I'd agree she is a good singer, I saw her when she was with Vinegar Joe in the early 70s but this is AWFUL (IMO) apart from the very good drummer. Typical UK female sound of the time, twee, just listen to the lyrics

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Hi. It's also on a Pye Int EP R&B Showcase Vol 1 but the quality aint great, relatively muffled sound compared to the Argo pressing, but if you want to play it out it may be OK and could be easier to find.

I bought a red label copy in the late 70s/early 80s from Bob Cattaneo, a well known (at the time) San Fransisco dealer'. I always presumed that it was the first release, I have only seen Yellow copies relatively recently. In my experience the red copy is harder to find and is usually a bit dearer.

Thanks everyone for the info.

Don't be silly Joe, just the cap

I have this on the Surprise label in Stereo. I was wondering from what country it came from? I think it might be Belgian but all the writing on the sleeve and record label is in English inc the usual legal stuff about unauthorised recording. I know the Contempo issue is 70s but is from around the same time or later? 'How' is great by the way. Nice pic of The Major who I was lucky enough to see in 73/4 at the Colwyn Bay pier!

Fabulous Mustangs - I Won't Let You Go/I'll Find Happiness on original Stang in superb condition. £60 inc Recorded Delivery in UK. Add £2 elsewhere for Airmail. PM me if interested please. Now sold. Thank You Soul Source!

I believe so although I THINK she was with the Sandpebbles before C & The Shells. 'Love Power' definitely sounds like her.

Lonzine Cannon became lead singer with C & The Shells and had Good Morning Starshine released here on the Atlantic label in 1969. However, flip it over for the incredible soul track On Your Way Home written & produced by Jerry Williams. As I say back in my unenlightened youth I thought for a short period that it was a male tenor singing until as I say until I listened to the lyrics properly.

Funny you should say that. When I first had the record I'm referring to I though it was a male singer until I listened to the lyrics properly and realised she was singing about a man!

Clues! She definitely had a release but not under her name and the label was Atlantic.

Yes

Anyone know what it is? Slight clue it is released on a major label but I reckon most of you know anyway.

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I had a copy of this LP which I won in a competition one night in a North Wales disco! Emperor Rosko was the guest DJ and I guess he must have brought some 'old stock' with him from London to give away as prizes. I lived in Wrexham in the early 60s and getting records not on 'national labels' was very difficult if not impossible, I remember waiting 5 months for a copy of Mockingbird on Sue. Hearing Ska was also very difficult until stuff like 10 Commandments started to get played in our local discos.

Sorry Pete, I didn't mean to give the impression you were rubbishing the record. My quote marks were for earlier posts in this thread. I should have been clearer.

This thread reminded me (aka John Evans) of the time myself and Detroit Soul Legend Bob Foster, no not that one the real one from Llandudno who Ady knows well, having found Johnny Maestro in Bob's coal shed one time, jointly funded a trip to New York in Feb '72 to buy records. Sorry if this wanders off thread a little, but you might find it interesting. I 'interviewed' Bob this week over a pint, a pork pie and a roaring log fire at his favourite pub (the only way to guarantee getting him out). I'd answered an ad in record Mirror in 1971 for a 100 record Soul pack for $9 from an address in Trenton, New Jersey. The records arrived and they were a great selection. You have to bear in mind that neither mine nor Bob's awreness of 'rarity' was particularly developed at that time. I sent for another pack which never arrived and so we decided Bob should go and track him down, as you do. I couldn't go as I was married and only had 2 weeks holiday a year then which I was expected to spend with my wife in Ibiza Bob got the plane and asked the bus driver to recommend him a hotel, the recommendation was perfect as it was very near Colony Records in N.Y. On his first visit there he bumped into Simon Soussan who was already sending out lists in the U.K. Bob remembers buying Larry Atkins- Lighten Up for 75p. Bob met S.S. again at Greenwich Oldies a few days later. They never 'teamed up' buying competition being the priority Bob went out to the Trenton, N.J. address and was shown a garage full of records in 50 record boxes, Okeh Demos etc. Bob filled 2 hold alls at 3 cents a record because of what the guy owed us. Bob admits to just grabbing handfuls as many titles meant little to him at the time. While he was there, 2 guys from Selecta Disc arrived and Bob thinks they probably bought the lot. When Bob got back we put lists out and I got most all my money for the trip back, Bob took records in lieu for what was left. Bob gave me a copy of one of the lists which I will post on here sometime, some very rare stuff on it. Jimmy Ruffin on Miracle was on there for a £1 but we couldn't shift it at that price nor 75p so Bob kept it. We made most money on Mamie galore- It Aint Necessary which was huge then and Swinging Camels - Detroit Road Runners! Bob also went to The Apollo on his own and saw Joe Simon, Betty Wright, Jimmy Briscoe etc. he also went to Earl Wright's record shop on 125th St although he is not sure if it was That Earl Wright. Perhaps I should start a Bob Foster thread as he was a noted collector of Detroit Soul in particular and he told me the story of his copy of Lady In Red - The Magnetics which he bought in '72 and how he sold it to Martin Barnfather (Soul Sam) who I introduced him to and his second visit to The States in '76 where he met up with Martin Koppel in Detroit and his visit to Ron Motown Murphy. By the way Ady, I have persuaded Bob to go to Prestatyn in March so hopefully we can meet up again if you have the time.

I confess to being a fan of The Drifters since the Sixties and whilst I wouldn't expect or particularly want to hear Saturday Night or Drip Drop at a Northern night those tracks shouldn't be dismissed as 'crap' or 'rubbish' IMO. They are good sounds in their context. The Drifters have contributed far more to the development of soul than most performers and all on the above list except for Willie Mitchell. The terms 'crap' or 'rubbish' should be reserved for the likes of 'Northern/Wigan' faves such as Muriel Day or Lorraine Silver in pure soul terms, although I accept they are reasonable pop soul dancers

I thought someone might be interested in this story & scans. I saw The Drifters in 1970 at The Mardi Gras, Billy Butler's Club in Parliament St, Liverpool. They had just ended their long association with the Atlantic label and came over to the UK where they were still obviously popular. They had not signed up to the Bell label at this point. They were absolutely fantastic, Johnny Moore was the lead singer. They sang most of their repertoire inc Drip Drop and even White Christmas although it was July! The crowd just wouldn't let them go. I knew Billy Butler from attending some of his dicos in the 60s around the Wrexham & Oswestry areas. I would even go to some obscure village pub to hear his records as at the time he played great Soul sounds. I asked Billy if I could go backstage to meet The Drifters which he arranged. The first thing that caught my eye when I went into Billy's office where the group were, was Billy's records! Anyway I had good chats with all the group and got them to sign my copy of Bill Millar's book on The Drifters. Faye Treadwell the wife of George Treadwell had taken over the management of the group after George (who was thir 1st manager) died. She was a very classy lady but was not impressed with the book. As you can see from the scan, she signed it 'This Is Not Authentic But Nice Reading'. I later learned the book had many errors inc crediting Rudy Lewis as lead on Sweets For My Sweet rather than Charles Thomas. It was right though on crediting Bobby Hendricks as lead on Drip Drop! A 3 or 4 years later I met Ben E King in a club in North Wales and he signed a middle page in the book. I met him when he was going through a quiet period recording wise. However, he told me he had re-signed to Atlantic and was going to be cutting some 'exciting new stuff' on his return to the States. On his return he made 'Supernatural Thing' his biggest ever record! attachment=147421:scan0004.jpg]

Sorry but I don't understand this. I believe the lead singer on Drip Drop was Bobby Hendricks who was also lead on a number of other Drifters sides. I like Drip Drop but I would not consider it 'Northern' although IMO it is a much better record than many Northern tracks that are played. However, I also agree that there are plenty of unplayed sounds out there that should get a play ahead of DD at Northern venues.

I have a 12" version produced by Paul Simpson listed as Musical Freedom (You Got The Love Mix) feat Candi Staton. Not bad. It is on the same disc as Walk Away From Love by Anthony White, his vocals are great, it's just a shame that Gamble & Huff didn't provide the backing LOL.

Piano C Red - One Hundred And Two on Checker is pretty rare I think at least it took ages for me to find a copy! Not necessarily worth a great deal but a terrific R&B dancer I think. It's on Youtube but I don't know how to copy & paste the link!