Sharon Cooper

Ok let me think, uummm someone taks a copy of Mel britt and copies it, sticks a look alike label on it and it's called a boot, now 20 years or so later someone takes a cd/lp track copies it and sticks it on viynal and calls it a carver, can someone tell me the difference please? Chris

I was making a comment about earlier comments and not yours, apologies for not making that clear.

I was led to believe, through one of the production team (don't recalll the name) that the film was due to be shown initially at Cannes next year then for general release. On the point made by someone earlier about who will see the film then I suggest that in the main the viewing will be done by the soul fans around the world and not by Joe public who (like some on the set) have no idea what Wigan Casino was or what N/soul is all about . On having a jibe at young people well all I can say is my lad is a N/S fan and takes great care to imitate some of the best dancers you can see on the few films,dvds etc available about the early days. its not a jibe at the young but a jibe, if you want to call it that, at the lack of education re the scene toward the youngsters there. They were dancing as they thought best, it isn't there fault that they were not given proper instruction. Chris

Yes we expected a lot of waiting around so wasn't surprised about that. When I said that some of the dance scenes made me cringe I wasn't refering to those from the agencies etc who couldn't dance the 'Northern Style' but a group of dancers who were part of a group known as *** Dancers who were called upon to do the close up scenes of northern dancing, these, it seems, were meant to be those who could do the dancing, Obiviously I'm only commenting on a few minutes of the film which may have taken forever to film but what bothered me was that despite the fact that my lad and one or two others had been asked about there dancing capabilities they were, has you said in the main ignored. Chris

I think that this is the the way things are heading and rapidly, trouble is it has never begun for them. Chris

thought this was a Cleethorpes tune?

I took my youngest son to this just last Monday, he'd had a call about being an extra, so being a winner of N/S dancing contests of we went. Phew, sat, walked, and frouned my way through the day up until 3.20am when filming stopped and then back Tuesday for a session from 1pm through till midnight. Being able to walk round the set was great, seeing all that activity and folks doing specific jobs but as time went by it became more and more obvious that the homework hadn't been done to any great extent. Talking on the set with a member of the crew on the Monday night I was told by this person that they "only knew two things about N/S, one that there was loads of fights and two there wasn't any drugs". It was obvious from the scenes I saw being filmed that that was exactly what everybody else thought. Most of the extras were teenagers either from agencys or from Stoke and surronding areas who quite clearly had not been given any real idea as to how you dance to northern and this again was reflected in the scenes, some of which made me cringe. Ok I know you have to have a story, and there was a lot of energy in the dance scenes mainly, and thankfully because they chose not to use (on this occasion anyway)balding fat blokes who still think they can dance the way they did back then. We finally left, his choice, half way through the Tuesday session because he had become cheesed of with the whole experiance, thankfully it hasn't put him of and he'll be at Prestatyn with us. Ill still go and see the film because these things can seem a little strange while in the process of filming, but it will not be with any real expectation about how it represents something I was involved in as a teenager. Chris

I'm not sure if the R & Tiaras qualifies me ,anyway if I stick to my thoughts on the thread I am already disqualified. Perhaps I'm to severe, but I do think the first issue, however little the budget, is the OV. Chris

If you want you can check Pilsley Lookback and see for yourself.

So from now on I'll play whatever i want and when some clever clogs comes up and asks if it's on the OV I'll respond by asking him if he has a copy of the AV, if he/she say yes I will bow to their superior collection and give my spot over to then cause THEY ARE the real originals

With respect that is what makes the whole of this thread pointless. the Wand issue is NOT the original. I wonder which one T. Brown has in his collection. Just because a company with clout picks up a tune does not make it the original. In my opinion this legitamizes the playing of re-issues as I suspect after looking at J.Manships 'Rarest of the Rare that many a treasured 'Original' is in fact a re-issue, but maybe just maybe we don't want to acknowledge that. Oh my I'm becoming an anorak. Chris

But isn't this thread about OV, and does the copy of the Ivory's on Wand constitute a re=issue. Seems to me you can't have it both ways, it's either the original or not.

Yes I have and Iv'e not read all 54 pages so here goes. Do you mean OVO as the OVO on the LOCAL LABELS or OVO being the ones realeased by the larger companies that picked them up later? As I said haven't read all pages so if it's been said earlier then Yes we are all done. Chris

I guess its all down to personal taste, mind you tagimh still gets the floor moving in a quite a few places around here.

Apologies for my ignorance, I trust you'll apologise for your stupid remarks? Non the less rare or not it is still a pop tune and bieng white as absolutely nothing to do with it, there are plenty of blue eyed soul tunes around as i'm sure you are aware, . the tune was released for the pop market as were most of them the idea to make a bit of cash. the fact that it was latched on by the N/scene doesn't change that and it's subsequent success in the charts proves it. Now I'll get my coat, cause I'm of topic.

Errhh I was, just a pop record Ian imo, Chris

The only MFP album which had a rare Northern track on it was the R.Dean Taylor album with "There's A Ghost In My House" I'm sorrry to be of thread but when was this tune ever rare, back on thread I would say that this track is OVO Ordinary Very Ordinary. Chris

And they are ? or shouldn't I ask

Ok so we have had your best, favourite,most memorable and 'which tunes got you into northern' threads, now how about a Most Insulting Lyrics Thread. My first pick would be Marvin Gaye Sweet Thing, The subject of the song is not good looking, doesn't do what he asks etc, real gender attack, mind you she's still a sweet thing.

Accept the fact that you like it, but how does an instrumental ooze soul, even N/s. This for me, and Iv'e been on the S/scene since 69, is utter drivel and I wouldn't give it a passing glance and who in their right mind would pay £200 for it, Sorry just my opinion. Chris

Stick around, I don't think so, thats the last thing these folks will do, I suspect that it is more a case of 'in it for the money' play what you like on the format you like, keep it to what you know, as somebody said about Benidorm, and keep the punters happy with playing what they know from the 2 months worth of trips to Wigan back in the 70ts, if they ever went, besides who wants to fork out £20.00 on a record when you can get the same downloaded of the internet for nowt. For me the whole essence of the N/S scene was to discover new and rare soul music. For some the ss is no more than what joe public does each day in listening to the oldies radio stations and just as boring. Besides there are plenty of slow N/S tracks that we dance to that were big on the scene back in the day, don't see em walking out on those. Chris

Thanks for the `frecking` good piece of advice (Whatever that means) I do have a life and a pretty good one at that...And what exactly has Gordon Brown got to do with it...Do you seriously think he is in any position to be making any decisions about anything? Can`t see any evidence of anything he`s done lately that warrants any positive sort of comment by anyone ; I did think that the first part of your post was pretty good and made some sense but you obviously couldn`t keep it up to the very end of the post without resorting to the most ridiculous and childish comment `Grow up and get a life` is that the best you can do? Honestly if you want to get personal try a bit harder next time. Sharon I wasn`t going to post up on this thread again as I considered it closed and enough salient points had been made. I still stand by that as your point to me offered nothing new and was just blatantly ignorant.

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Hi Steve ; This new one is in Tupton on the 3rd Saturday and who knows where for the other 3 (or 4 dependent on the month)! S

I`ve thought about it and I reckon you`re right. The said promoters by the way are spreading their brand of soul night around so I`ve just heard and so will who knows who they will clash with on other Saturdays locally...Lets wait and see!