Modernsoulsucks

https://cgi.ebay.com/NORTHERN-SOUL-INSPIRAT...1QQcmdZViewItem Well unless demand has increased these past two weeks less than £20 seems to be going rate. I seem to remember back in 70's buyers were disappointed cos it wasn't the version played in the first place. How are my CD dubs coming along Mark? Sat is last time I'll see you to pick them up. ROD

Karen,4 pairs of shoes. Don't tell my wife,she'd be organising a charity all-dayer for you. I've got more than 4!! To be serious for a moment original post did kinda set female collectors apart from male collectors, a division which is pretty meaningless as the crux is the collecting not the gender. Also depends on how you define "collector". Im sure there are lots of ladies out there who have 45s/CDs/LPs at home or joint finance their partners collections and have their say in what gets bought. My wife used to buy in the late 70's but sold them before I met her. Many's the time she'll say "I had that" and I won't speak to her for a week cos I want it now. ROD

Well Tim you were obviously very drunk cos I remember perfectly saying those exact words whilst taking a call on my mobile from my broker about my Microsoft shares, neither of which you said would catch on either!! I do now have George Lemons and may I say it was the worst $1 I ever spent. ROD

Is this a Gerald Ratner moment? I think he got away with it. Luckily most of those guys are educational underachievers and can barely read and write so I don't think they would have noticed. ROD

modernsoulsucks - I'll give it a go, two tits are better than one ?!!!. Serious note, are there "official" cut off years from classic northern to crossover to modern soul (sucks) ? Well at the risk of making a tit of myself, yes it's 2pm Tuesday March 11 1973. Just buy what you like, not what someone else likes or tells you is "proper" Northern or is the "new" Northern, and after a while you will see what style particularly appeals to you. I find that financial limitations restrict me to a favourite genre. ROD ROD

"NYC" I knew you weren't but I am. If my mate catches a cold Im imagining his 45s slotting into my collection. Such a bummer when he shrugs it off and it doesn't develop into double pneumonia. Im with Dave. Once the prices begin to fall there won't be a rebound this time. A few disillusioned heavy-hitters and who knows. Is it starting right now? Maybe signs are there that people are getting pickier esp. with those 45s that are basically collection fillers or at the lower end of the market. George Blackwell is currently £900+ with 3 hours to go [180 more than it went for quite recently] so still plenty of time for the investor to offload. ROD

Well,luckily Stalin [sorry Clare,I must get these keys seen to] doesn't collect records but whenever we do have a disagreement I'd like to think Im fair in deciding the matter either with arm-wrestling or penalty kicks. ROD

"I do agree with John Manship, that the market has now become too far reaching and is too strong in the sense of global collectors and the numbers of people buying. So the linvestment gowth over the longer term is very very good." Bloody hell, sounds like the FT. Im not sure I agree that what were seeing now is a drop so that 45s are becoming bargains. I think a lot were overpriced because their value got dragged up on the coat-tails of in-demand titles. I do accept this global reach argument in that more demand via more access will push some prices up but it's also pretty evident there is no or little demand for 45s that IMO are listed way over the top. Last night on Ebay I got for £20 inc P&P a Mint 45 that this week is listed on various sites at £55,£75, and £80.It was only that cos I was bidding against 2 US buyers There's nowt with the global reach of Ebay so I can see no justification for the high price here in the UK. I know that's only one example but I think from my experience it is an accurate reflection of too many dealers/collectors over-rating what they are selling. Im a bit perturbed that at 54 the nice man in NYC is waiting for me to pop my clogs and if he's reading this Im gonna tell his dad. I do agree with him though that jazz/doo-wop/rockabilly collections will be coming onto the market when those older collectors begin to move on, and the same thing will happen with the soul collections. ROD

My wife says I should disassociate myself from Mischief's post as it makes a mockery of what were my earlier sincere and heartfelt concerns as to the financial disadvantage that female collectors do face. Did I mention the outlay on new curtains and cushion cover accessories. That shade of blue for the Smoke label is so difficult to find. Many times I've had to trawl round the shops for 8 hours with Pol Pot[sorry,that should be Clare - sticky keys] looking for just that right tint only to find that it was in the first shop we went into. Oh, how we laughed!! ROD

I wouldn't bother about making a "tit" of yourself. I've been collecting years and I do it on a regular basis. It is a constant learning process. My tip is to stick to Mintish originals,never ever buy as an investment,and as to specific query re. unpriced 45s I'd just walk away. Invariably when you ask price they're OTT.Oh, and get on Ebay ROD

"Doing the hoovering", you wimp!! Real men are doing the laundry!! ROD

I, of course, have no negative views on female collectors. It's never crossed my mind. Married as I am to an extremely independent and successful harridan[sorry, meant to say "woman"]I am well on the way to being reconstructed as a household drudge[sorry, that should read "new man"]. In fact I can entirely sympathise with female collectors. Whilst for instance were I to buy Fascinators and George Blackwell it would cost me a lot less than my female counterpart because I would not need the matching shoes and handbag in yellow and blue. ROD

Greg, I have a contact # who can give you a contact # for Siz if none of Greatstone lads have it. Alan, I don't disagree with your recollections of 45s played at Pendulem but I think the DJs there had no trouble in tracking down 45s to play. Long before Richard got behind the decks I heard and bought there "No right to cry" SACK and Joseph Moore MAR-V-LUS. You could hear everything that was big at the Torch and MORE!! Like Pendulem I think Barry Tasker should get more credit than he does. In fact he gets none really and he was definitely the major influence in my early NS days. ROD

Drew, was that what was once the Tabernacle [think it was called that]. Used to be allnighters there in late 60's. I do remember Martyn Ellis at Torch but not so much the Pendulem. Maybe there as a punter and perhaps a guest spot. Richard was deffo a regular attender up until he got behind the decks and Va Va's started whilst he was dj-ing at Pendulem. I have spoken to Zan a few times over past couple of years and he denies being a "scary looking ginger-haired Scottish guy" and his wife attested to him being a big pussycat at heart. I, of course, thought better of putting the counter argument. What was that guy who ran a few things with Siz. Martin ? Always going round asking "What's the buzz". ROD

Jaco,I prefer to think of myself as fighting a valiant rearguard action against all odds. ROD

I was just going to say that if Karen went and made us all a nice cuppa tea, then us lads could have a chat amongst ourselves and hopefully come up with some ideas. ROD

Er,Greg I wasn't kidding about things being a blur so I wouldn't take anything I say as gospel without confirmation first. I do remember the old lady Chris referred to, a well known sight around Manchester,relieving herself wherever the fancy took her. She wasn't into Northern though. I thought Rowntrees sound was on Corporation St between M&S and Victoria train station/Ralph's Records. I think Zan used to hang about outside. Zan is still around. As far as I remember Pendulem started at the Victoria Hotel in Hardman St. I went there after a Chairmen of the Board concert sometime before '71. It moved to MSG club probably on corner of Millgate which is near Cathedral and behind Corporation St. Definitely Barry Tasker and Dave White who started it but I think Dave dropped out, someone else came in maybe, but then Richard Searling got his break there. Barry is still around and well worth getting in touch with. Gaetaneo's was underneath an ice-cream and cafe Italian thingy. Back Piccadilly. Myself, Dave Witless and I think Dave McCadden played and had guests. Who, I've no idea. Maybe Tim Finch who is on this site and sold George Lemons there for £1 cos it was crap and no one would ever pay anything more for it. I did tell him one day it would be worth £1500 but he will of course deny that. I didn't buy it off him cos I wanted a kebab later. I did check my Manchester A-T [some of the pages are missing] which is why although vague I do remember where some of the clubs were. If I can be of any more help I'd be amazed. Slight correction to earlier Soulful Hound post. It is SIZ not fis. Steve Sales I think real name. He's knocking about and is it Andy who runs Middleton. He's had recent business dealings with him. Andy,£24 in!! Do you think Im made of money!! ROD PS Go to Greatstone next time it's on. Rubbish dancefloor, djs not as good as those now residing in Clitheroe but a lot of guys there who were around in the 70's and have stuck with it.

Chalky, I think there's another release by them. Recollect me and Alex Jones finding another but it wasn't particularly NS sounding so we got rid of it over there, maybe to Lew. Not 100% sure but Im pretty certain it was them. ROD

Ah Newer, that's cleared it up. It's not Frank but F. Rank or Freda Rank to give her full name, a well-known virtuoso on the organ. She had a lot of money in the bank. Was married to a Manc. He got run over by a tank Her heart sank But she could be relied upon to give you a ...cheery smile. ROD

Tony, are you referring to me? I don't remember that which kinda bears out my first post. The Pendulem. The Carlsberg of all NS clubs. Barry Tasker and Dave White.So far ahead of it's time, Barry wore silvery suits and took his holidays on the moon!! Sadly,sadly missed. ROD

Malc has raised an important point there. Most blokes wouldn't be in the same room with another bloke playing on his organ Could it be a woman who is playing the organ, and is it the singer's organ or her own. Is the organ the larger variety that you find in England or the smaller Scottish model. Is the song a standard gospel re-working or perhaps from the oral tradition that was popular in '69. I must stop watching Graham Norton. ROD

Oh yeah!! If it was an ill-informed pseudonym I'd be calling myself "IMSORRYYOU'VEGOTMALARIA". Im afraid it's all a blur from the day I stepped inside the Moon in Duckinfield. Does that count as Manchester? ROD

Really nice vocal. Here's latest sale on Soul Source of this 45 /index.p...3&hl=Topics ROD

Hey Mark, there were quite a few NS fans seen at the rockabilly/R&B nights around Manchester in the 80's. Carl Perkins "Put your cat clothes on" or Boyd Bennet "My boy flat-top" etc were almost as electric played loud in a club as Northern. Proud to be White-trash ROD

"Man is born free but is everywhere in chains." You're married too, Stuart ? ROD