Sean Hampsey

Yes, I've heard this on many occasions, but by all accounts, they wrote the song together, ...which is why some credit Elbert as the writer.

It cost them their friendship, or so I'm lead to believe. At least that's what I'm told ( but I imagine it was because he was probably knobbing his Mrs!)

Sean

Another couple of decent Banks Bio links:

https://soulfuldetroit.com/web09-darrell%20...ragic%20end.htm

https://atdetroit.com/040707-AtdetroitNewsR...nksMemorial.htm

All the above, slightly off topic, I know, so apologies.

To answer the original post, I much prefer the DB version.

Sean Hampsey

I present my evidence and a nice little 'Bio' of the great man.

https://www.answers.com/topic/darrell-banks

Quote:

The man considered by many as soul's finest voice was shot dead March 1970 in Detroit by Aaron Bullock, an off duty policeman who was seeing Banks' woman (Marjorie Bozeman). He was waiting when Bullock dropped Bozeman off after work; when Banks grabbed her, Bullock intervened, Banks pulled a gun, and the officer reacted with deadly force ending Banks' four turbulent years as a recording artist/entertainer. Bozeman, a barmaid, allegedly was trying to leave Banks, who was divorced and the father of two kids.

So in summary, they both had pistols and I guess they were both doing the 'knobbing'

Sean

Not often I come to the defence of the cops but Darrell had been knobbing the cop's girlfriend, and the cop was off-duty when he shot him.

As I always understood it, the 'Lady' was Darrell's girlfriend and the off-duty cop was the one doing the surreptitious 'knobbing'.

Of course, whoever was actually doing the 'knobbing' does not alter the fact that Banks was a fine artist, cut down in his prime.

Sean

I remember a track advertised as by the Tartans about the same time(mid 73 ish) so maybe it was just word association.

John Rhys certainly sounds like a welsh name

John Rhys was the first professor of Welsh at Oxford University.

Whereas, the 'Tartans' were almost certainly from North of the Border.

Slainte!

Sean (Irish Extraction)

Lets be honest who would say no to a complete collection of Soul Sound 45's, they were the top sounds of the early northern scene and the labels are great as well.

I wouldn't say no.

Only need three for the full set!

Roscoe Robinson - Tammi Lynn - Human Beinz

All wanted!

Can Anyone help?

Sean Hampsey

Good info Ady,

I used to have a 'Magic' label Boot (yellow) of Jackie Edwards "Feel So Bad" B/W Donnie Elbert "Little Piece Of Leather".

Would you say that came from the same source as BJD (A. Patton) and Green Light (Band of Angels / Soul Sisters)?

Was it also a "Leicester Boot"

Just a thought?

Sean Hampsey

great double-sider, that needs no tweeking imho.

Agree,

Always loved "Devil's Gotten Into My Baby"

Sean

Na Allen (not very good as i recall, always play other side), Capitols I think also

Not forgetting Major Lance.

A great uptempo version on WB - Fizzes along at breakneck speed!

Sean Hampsey

I know this is a long shot

Does anyone know, or know someone who knows Isidro Otis personally?...He is the son of Clyde Otis, He now runs his fathers business Clyde Otis Misic corp?

Thanks

Linda

Linda,

This any use?

https://www.gothamnetworking.com/who/leader...play.php?pId=50

There is a contact form.

Sean

And I guess that these fine individuals will all know him personally!

https://www.gothamnetworking.com/who/leaders.php

Sean Hampsey

Do you still see the person who is responsible for getting you into the scene?

1968, my older sister was a bit of a magnet for the local (older) mods. The front drive was like a Scooter park - they were always round our house playing the latest Motown and Stax things. I started finding and buying my own bits, trying to compete with them all. Spent my Saturdays in second hand shops buying everything on Black & Red Atlantic. Soon picked up a pile of UK Motown EP's for 7shillings and sixpence each... and blew them all away!

The real influence though was a guy called Jimmy Campbell. I thought he was a God! He went to the Mojo & the Wheel and always came back with the latest tunes. A real smooth guy Jimmy. Sharp Suit, Sheepskin, Royals, the works. One day I was round at his house and he opened up two massive boxes of 45's. He went through each one in turn "You got this?" "nope" it went on the pile. "You got this?" "Yup" it went on another pile. in the end the biggest pile was the stuff I hadn't already got. Guess what, he gave me the big pile. "You appreciate these even more than me" he says. You bet I did!

Jimmy helped forge my taste in soul music:- Spellbinders, Roscoe Robinson, Tommy Neal, Impressions, Betty Lavette etc... and I'm eternally grateful.

That was about 35 years ago. Often wonder what happened to him.

Sean Hampsey

Sean,

I don't have any of the soul sounds releases and don't think I have ever seen one - any chance you could stick one up for me

Hi Kev,

Will certainly, but can't do it until Monday.

I'll probably take a pic, of one of each colour.

These were:

White / Black

Orange / Black

Green / Black

Yellow / Black

Back on Monday!

Cheers

Sean Hampsey

Mentioning no names, but if you check the Jay Boy releases against a SOUL SOUNDS you'll see they were pressed by the same company..

I think Sean's collection of the label is worth much more than people think. I've got a few titles in stock, maybe I'll auction one and see what the market thinks they are worth. Or will I get "blasted" for doing that?

Hi John,

Yes, I've always believed that they were pressed by the President / JayBoy plant. They've got that same 'bomb proof' body armour that came with those early issues, which is why I felt that BJD and Green Light were also connected with Soul Sounds.

Runs were certainly limited as I've been tracking the Human Beinz - Tami Lynn & Roscoe Robinson for years so I'd say that these were three of the rarest releases... at least in my experience.

I was DJ'ing about 12 years ago and one of the local jocks (an old Wheelite) had all three releases in his playbox. No other Soul Sounds releases... just them! As they were my last three for a full set I acquired his phone number in an effort to procure them from him but when I called... the phone was disconnected!

Still lay awake at night thinking about them.

If you turned up Human Beinz, Tami Lynn & Roscoe Robinson I certainly wouldn't blast you.. (unless you auctioned them... instead of offering them to me!)

Soul Sounds is certainly a part of Northern Soul folklore... and they've brought me hours of pleasure over the years... just looking at them!

I've either got or had 'proper' UK Demos and Issues of the Incredibles, Alexander Patton, Bobby Sheen, Mary Love etc but wouldn't sell the Soul Sounds releases at any price!

Curiously, the first release, Leon Haywood, is the only one of the series that did not get a legit UK release at the time of issue (or at some point during the 60's). Of course, 'Baby Reconsider' was the first "Big Money" record on the scene so its not hard to figure out why they went with it to launch the label.

Sean Hampsey

Liz McCambridge, she is / was married to a good friend of yours. her brother was my alibi when I sneaked off to Wigan / Cleethorpes / Sammi's...

Oh to be 14 again....

Gotcha Darren.

Top girl Liz. Married to Neil, my old Stomping partner from the early 70's.

Can't help but smile just thinking about those times.

Sean

A friends sister who used to go to the Torch, we used to play her records when she was out, Sam and Kitty, Velours etc. I am sure Mr Hampsey will remember her, and The Charade and Herringthorpe Leisure Centre mid 70's...

Hi Darren... give me a clue?

My memory's fading me regarding allllll thoooose Laydeeees way back when!

Certainly remember The Charade though. Finest venue in the county at one time.

I DeeJayed there from circa late 1974 - 1977. Was the last DJ at the 'Old Look Charade' and the first to do 'The New Look Charade'. It didn't look new for long though. Opening night a massive fight broke out and the place (Brick feature walls and all) was torn to pieces!

Fantastic music though. Truly 'Across The Board' and although we had the Top allnighter sounds of the day we mixed it with James Brown, War, Isley Bros, Syl Johnson (We Did It), Blue Magic (Look Me Up) Brothers Guiding Light, Dramatics (Choosing Up On You), Invitations (Look On The Good Side), the whole nine yards!

Herringthorpe... well that's another story.

Good days mate. Good days.

Sean

When does this date from?

Soul sounds were Bootlegged by the notorious Jeff King of Leicester.

I always thought that the BJD titles were also done by King... probably prior to the Soul Sounds things (but I may be mistaken). The same source also did the Green Light stuff, I believe.

There were 30 Soul Sounds bootlegs ... and I've got them all except Human Beinz - Tami Lynn & Roscoe Robinson that have eluded me (Help me out someone!).

Quite a label if you ask me:-

01 LEON HAYWOOD. BABY RECONCIDER.

02 DONALD HEIGHT. TALK OF THE GRAPEVINE.

03 JIMMY HOLIDAY & CLYDIE KING. READY WILLING AND ABLE.

04 SHIRLEY ELLIS. SOUL TIME.

05 HUMAN BEINZ. NOBODY BUT ME.

06 TAMMI LYNN. I'M GONNA RUN AWAY FROM YOU.

07 GENE CHANDLER. THERE WAS A TIME.

08 ROUND ROBIN. KICK THAT LITTLE FOOT SALLY ANN.

09 INVITATIONS. WHAT'S WRONG WITH ME BABY.

10 EARL HARRISON. HUMPHREY STOMP.

11 ALEXANDER PATTON. A LIL' LOVIN SOMETIMES.

12 CHUCK JACKSON. CHAINS OF LOVE.

13 DEAN PARRISH. DETERMINATION.

14 PEACHES AND HERB. WE'RE IN THIS THING TOGETHER.

15 MARY LOVE. YOU TURNED MY BITTER INTO SWEET.

16 BARBARA LEWIS. SOMEDAY WE'RE GONNA LOVE AGAIN.

17 MITCH RYDER & THE DETROIT WHEELS. BREAK OUT.

18 BLENDELLS. DANCE WITH ME.

19 SOUL SISTERS. GOOD TIME TONIGHT.

20 DEAN PARRISH. TELL HER.

21 LITTLE ANTHONY AND THE IMPERIALS. GONNA FIX YOU GOOD.

22 CHUBBY CHECKER. (AT THE) DISCOTEQUE.

23 THE SHARPEES. TIRED OF BEING LONELY.

24 ROSCOE ROBINSON. THAT'S ENOUGH.

25 INCREDIBLES. THERE'S NOTHING ELSE TO SAY.

26 HOMER BANKS. HOOKED BY LOVE.

27 MARGIE HENDRIX. RESTLESS.

28 BOBBY SHEEN. DR. LOVE.

29 RONNIE MILSAP. AIN'T NO SOUL (LEFT IN THESE OLD SHOES).

30 DOBIE GRAY. OUT ON THE FLOOR.

A repertoire that any label would envy, dont you agree, were it not for the fact that they were not legit!

However, Mr King got his just desserts and was locked up for the practice.

Curious how these days the BPI appear to be less concerned...

Keith Minshull (allegedly) supplied most of the originals.

Part of our N.Soul History I guess (along with OOTP and... whats that other crowd called that seem to be doing alright at it?)

Sean Hampsey

Bought a few records recently that have been stored in a garage for a few years, most look ok but all have crackles when played. Mild detergent and warm water seems ok but still not 100%, can anyone recomend any of the record cleaning fluids that are about?

BH

Blake,

Whatever you do, don't try VIM.

Kitchen surfaces... Winner.... but it has the opposite effect on vinyl... I find!

Seriously tho'... I've always found that pure, clean, H2O works well with cotton wool.

Sean

It took him 12 minutes to read, know the answers, type them up and post to ss.....

...kin ell, it took me longer than that to read the questions...

well done that man....

Many thanks for that!

Hate to be a smart arse ( but I just can't help it) it actually took me less than 5 minutes.

Sign of a mis-spent youth?

Got stumped on the lyrics though... couldn't quite place them. T'old greymatter doesn't function too well after midnight... especially since the girlfriend was shouting me to come to bed at the time

Sean Hampsey

https://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZsoulmanuk...1QQfsooZ1QQrdZ0?

Quick Reminder:- Auction Ends Tomorrow.

Lotsa Low Start Bids on Big Maybelle, Laurie Davis, Entertainers, Bay Bros, Virgil Henry etc.

Good Luck!

Sean

As regards the deep and cheap theme how'bout Roshell Anderson "know what you're doing when you leave" on Sunburst/Contempo. This is a strange and haunting piece of music quite scary.

Regards Alan

Alan,

I'll tell you what's scary.... I was on my way into the office and thought about Roshell Anderson and that I should post it as another recommendation on this thread!!!!

I also thought of "Freddie North "Right Here Is Where We Belong" from around the same time!

The original poster who went for the Roger Hatcher in a big way will surely love these two gems.

Speak soon

Sean Hampsey

You can get ready for tommorrow Alan, there will be some dancing then.

The Bulmeister!

Whats happening tomorrow Bully?

Sean

Isley's T-Neck stuff on Major Minor too aint it?

Godz

Yes, thats right!

Well done.

...Ill get me anorak.

Sean

Didn't think the Shell release turned up that often, have been looking out for it and only seen a couple in recent times. Has been played lately covered up and think another well known DJ just got hold of one.

Sorry if I've Uncovered it Chalky!

Got a Spanish copy..even rarer than the Shell I reckon!

Sean

Just a quick quiz for a bit of fun - Most are easy but one or two might need a bit of internet research!!!

1. What record is cataloge number TMG 555

ISLEY BROS _ THIS OLD HEART OF MINE

2. Sandy Wynns' real name

EDNA WRIGHT

3. What song are these lyrics from - " Since I met you girl I've been walking into closed doors"

I'D RATHER GO BLIND

4. A Smokey Robinson record covered by the Beatles

YOU REALLY GOT A HOLD ON ME

5. Dead or Alive - Otis Williams

THANK GOD... STILL ALIVE!

6. Which member of Earth Wind & Fire once played with Ramsey Lewis

MAURICE WHITE

7. What label did the Isley Brothers T-Neck recordings come out on in the UK

EPIC

8. Stevie Wonder's real name

STEVEN MORRIS - STEVELAND JUDKINS (DEPENDING ON SOURCE!)

9. Under what other name did Stevie Wonder release a single on the Gordy label

EIVETS REDNOW

10. Edwin Starr's real name

CHARLES HATCHER (RIP)

11. Who was born Thomasina Montgomery in 1945 but died in 1970 more famous for her work with Motown than James Brown

TAMMI TERRELL

12. What song are these lyrics from - "Another day is passing by and here I sit in sorrow, tears streaming down my face, I'm afraid to face tomorrow"

BLOODY ALZHEIMERS!!!

13. Who did Kim Weston marry at motown

MICKIE STEVENSON

14. What was Anthony White's only album on Philadelphia International called

COULD IT BE MAGIC

15.Who is the soul connection between Marc Bolan and Mark Almond

GLORIA JONES (Wife & Cover Version)

16. Dead or alive - Barbara McNair

VERY MUCH ALIVE!

17. Which female soul artist who recorded for Atlantic and Motown, played "Kizzy" in Alex Haley's dramatisation of "Roots"in the 70's alongside black comedian Ben Vereen

LESLEY UGGAMS

18. Name at least four record labels that Willie Hutch recorded for either as a solo artist or as a member of a group

RCA ABC MOTOWN WHITFIELD

19. Name at least 3 artists that recorded "Open the door to your heart"

DARRELL BANKS - JACKIE WILSON - BETTY WRIGHT

20. What song are these lyrics from - " I can't keep lying to myself, I know there'll never be nobody else"

TOO DARN SOULFUL

By Jove i Needed That!

Bed Time!

Sean Hampsey

Fantastic choices Sean, if I can just add Philip Mitchell - Theres another in my life and Controllers - Somebodys got to win. I'm also a big New Birth fan, check their version of 'Mr Dream merchant' stunning!!!

Just one more, Betty wright- Who'll be the fool

Separated at Birth Me & You Binsy.

Agree on all counts.

Sean Hampsey

https://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZsoulmanuk

Various Bits & Bobs at Low Low Start Prices.

Go On. Treat Yerself To A Johnny Moore!

Good Luck!

Sean Hampsey