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Everything posted by Timillustrator
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With you 100% there, there's a load of stuff on the Kent and associated re-issues that are uptempo and never heard. Personally couldn't care less wheat format it was on. On the other hand I guess it could just mean anyone could rock up with Spotify on their phone, select a Northern Soul playlist and plug it in! Although some nights just sound like that anyway.
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I see where you're coming from but I'd say look at it from the opposite perspective. Assuming a start date of '63 and up to '69, that's 7 years, assume the major centres Chicago, Detroit, Los Angeles, New York, Memphis, Philadelphia, Texas, New Orleans plus some other southern states that's about 49 city-years for production of utptempo soul. Dave Rimmer's book for New York alone lists 64 record labels, some of the more recognisable ones of those I could pick half a dozen tracks. That's 3,136 city-label-years. If that resulted in as few as 3,000 tracks it would be on average 1 song per label per year. OK so some labels were small and didn't last long and from '68 onwards there were probably more slow and funky tracks but since there were 10's or 100's of clubs with bands on every night particularly at weekends and a great many of these got a stab at making a record I'd say that an assumption of 10 uptempo per label is safe, thereby giving 31,360. Or am I just being a stats nerd
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I reckon 10,000 is easily true though although that may include uptempo 60's from other genres such as R&B and garage.
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It's a really interesting question and one I often ponder (I am into statistics!), I'd seen somewhere else an estimate that there were about 30-40,000 "Northern" soul tracks, of course they're not all uptempo. I guess if you set out the parameters you could start to measure by taking stuff like Dave Rimmer's books and extrapolating those across the various cities in the US. The problem will always be the outliers though and what to include or not - as you mention including R&B would easily double it I reckon and stuff that's generally played in all venues includes records that are actually really disco, 70's, 80's, 90's, 2000's, 2010's, the odd 2020's, jazz funk, Pop, Rock 'n' Roll, easy listening, funk, garage, house. . . So I think if it's all encompassing of anything that was played at any event billed as Northern Soul you could be getting close to 80-100,000? It does beg the question though why so many places stick to the same old 200 or so records? Even the top 500 (which despite what some think are not all overplayed) could represent about 0.005% of the total available.
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Three drawings I did of Wolfies Soul Club all with Sue in, she's to the right hand side in each of them. If you'd seen her dance you may recognise her, I think it wasn't a bad likeness.
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Northern Soul Allnighter 45 Live Kidderminster
Timillustrator reviewed Solrichie's event in Allnighters
Well wasn't that quite something! New venue and at first it looked a bit high-street clubby - neon lights, TV screens, trendy bar fittings, bouncer on the door etc. but actually it was the ideal venue for this - fairly small but beautifully clean wood dancefloor, red lights (which got turned off later on, no disco lights either: another plus), really reasonable bar prices, nice seating too and unlike some venues there were enough tables to draw from! All ages crowd but apart from a couple of drinks on the dancefloor moments (which didn't last long) no problems, some top dancers from all over as well. With a DJ line up like that you couldn't go far wrong and everyone did what you would expect. Good mixture though, it wasn't too obscure, wasn't too overplayed (with one exception, and in 9 hours I am being dead picky) highlights for me were Jordan Wilson playing Bobby Williams, Daz Dakin playing Bird Walkin', Martin Farmer (of course he's the best DJ in England ) playing pretty much everything but particularly Jerry Hall and The King Cobras, Martin Shaw playing Jesse Johnson. Moments like that are often few and far between but they just kept coming, there was more, much more I can't remember. At one point it looked like the DJ's milling around were outnumbering those on the bill so there was a real buzz about this one. Unlike several other events there was still a reasonable crowd at 5am too. The only reason for not giving it five stars was a spin of House For Sale (because I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of do's I've been to in the last 12 months that didn't play it to the point that just once I'd like the hear The Snake instead) but this is being very, very picky and it was at about 3:45 am and more than made up for by the quality of everything else. Probably the best event of the year so far; looking forward to the next one in November. -
Good to see this one back after a protracted absence (the same venue was used a few months ago by another DJ for a charity do - that was OK but actually a rather odd night, I mean it was free so you can't really complain and whilst it was described as Northern Soul Against Cancer the flyer did say they'd be playing other stuff and there were about 3 hours of Northern Soul but I left that one about an hour before the end after the Jam, Billy Ocean, Bad Manners and just after Wham as Duran Duran came on), nice venue, local to me, perfect wood dancefloor, nice and dark, no disco lights - all massive plusses in my book. Interesting sets; by far the best was Scooby opening, although tragically (and I do mean tragically as I spent the rest of the night kicking myself mentally) I got out of the car to the sound of The International GTO's and walking as quickly as I could I didn't make it in time to dance to it anyone who plays that and Don Gardner in the same set is automatically catapulted into the top league in my opinion. Other DJ's played pretty mixed sets from the inevitable (House For Sale having it's 1,000th outing this year) to the unexpected (Jesse Johnson, Vernon Garrett, Larry Hale and the Rhinos) to the slightly underplayed (Gene Latter, The Enchantments) to some not particularly predictable modern stuff; so overall something for everyone. Good reliable venue this, reasonable bar, big car park, just off the motorway and hopefully long may it continue. PS this is a pretty good review, I am only giving something 4 stars if it moves me nearly to tears, 5 stars to one or two events a year at most. 6 stars (I know it doesn't exist) reserved for Macabre Soul, if that ever happens again!
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Done, keep it up!
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Got a picture of the soles?
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Who was the DJ there called Chris? Tall guy with grey hair.
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It really depends on how you dance, I cannot dance in trainers because I keep my feet on the ground or at least one of them when I'm moving and trainers of all sorts are just way too grippy. Some other people jump a lot more so trainers are good. If you shuffle unless you weigh about 7 stone I imagine it would be bleeding difficult! I've got a couple of pairs of Loakes and a pair of Pavers brogues with leather soles. I have also got a pair of Ben Sherman brogues with plastic soles, which have worn down to almost smooth but are no where near as frictionless. Occasionally I've tried spraying them with silicone or wax polish but it quickly wears off. Also right with you there, as a vegetarian of 42 years I'd rather not have leather but I can live with my conscience, I'll keep them until I die or they wear out - whichever comes first
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It's on the Top Dog Soul Club CD Volume 2. Listed on Discogs so presuming it's legit? https://www.discogs.com/release/17242414-Various-Top-Dog-Soul-Club-Stafford-Top-Of-The-World-Volume-2
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Well thank God for this one! After several months of frankly totally underwhelming events finally one that delivered the goods. I've been to what seems like endless, poorly attended halls, clubs and social centres to hear the same old House For Sale, Name It You Got It and Standing On Solid Ground, sometimes each more than once a night while a dozen people danced and I was starting to wonder if I had post-pandemic fatigue, or if it was just that people were just so damn glad to be able to go out again they'd be happy with that 100 Greatest Hits of Northern Soul from ASDA and a patch of lino to dance on. Although on the plus side I haven't actually heard I Wanna Give You Tomorrow since probably September! Of course everything being cancelled last minute thanks to Omicron didn't help matters but even some rather hyped up events that managed to go ahead didn't really feel that interesting - playing to the floor all night is fine and it's great to see people enjoying themselves but it was all starting to feel like that episode of Father Ted where the DJ only had one record and plays it again and again all night, finishing with "Please stand for our National anthem" and playing it again. I couldn't bring myself to review these gigs either because they were bloody trying their best to keep the torch burning in the most extreme of circumstances. Anyway enough of all that misery - this was great, perfect venue, dark and atmospheric, sprung wood floor, good DJ line up, surprisingly pre-pandemic price, decent crowd, nice to see a few faces back out from the last decade. Highlights for me were Carl Jones with a really interesting set of largely underplayed dancers, Rob Smith who never fails to play the right thing but still keeps it interesting and, the pièce de résistance, Jordan Wilson who is surely the future - underplayed, unreleased, unknown and even the classics; Just Brothers and L Allen in one set, just wow, but follow that up with International GTO's and it was two and a half minutes of pure post-pandemic joy (something I've not experienced this decade) to hear that blasting out in this atmospheric building, it almost felt like the 2 years wait was all worth it. Sounds like this will carry on bi-monthly too which, as long as they keep the DJ's interesting and varied, should be a good bet.
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Most streamed Northern track on Spotify
Timillustrator replied to Fiftyboiledeggs's topic in All About the SOUL
Wouldn't it be difficult to tell though? As it's the individual track rather than the song? DILYIID has 17,000,000 original and 16,000,000 Ian Levine version, there could be other versions too though. -
where's the most progressive northern nights?
Timillustrator replied to petegroover's topic in All About the SOUL
Very valid point, I have definitely seen the same. The first few post-lockdown events we went to we thought were a bit mainstream, all top 500, Motown and upbeat but reasoned that maybe that was as a reaction to all the gloom and doom but it seems more that venues want to be packed and if they can achieve that by playing Motown and disco then so be it. A couple of once decent clubs have definitely gone this way, even going so far as to change their name. -
where's the most progressive northern nights?
Timillustrator replied to petegroover's topic in All About the SOUL
There are a few that fit the bill - Byron in Nottingham doesn't trouble the top 500 too much, Wolfies in Cannock is pretty much all rare and underplayed and monthly. Dark Horses, now in Dordon, is mainly obscure and unknown. I've not been but understand that Bellmans Yard (this Friday) is similar. -
Went to NG4 on Monday night, fairly full but no particular issues. Amazing how things can change so much within a short space of time. I think natural caution and time of year will keep numbers low anyway. Can't really be bothered myself for NYE.
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I've seen half a dozen local events cancelled this weekend and beyond. I know a few did go ahead on Saturday but numbers were down a bit. I wonder if we'll be following Holland, Ireland and Germany shortly?
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It's not that hard though. I've been to a couple of gigs in recent months where they needed this. In both cases there was one person on the line asking to look at everyones phone for the QR code and then waving them in. Younger demographic perhaps though because 100% of attendees had a smartphone which may not be the case at every soul do.
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What a great night this was; being lazy I hadn't properly read up on it and until the day before thought is was the "last ever" Nuneaton all-nighter, turns out it's the last ever "all" nighter as in the future it'll end earlier. Just as well because it was really fantastic. A good number of people also did stay to the end (including me although I missed the final picture being in the bog), perhaps because it was the last chance to do so? Nice room, lovely floor, good crowd. Mix of DJ's to suit all tastes really but the standouts for me were Ethan Howarth playing Joe Hicks, Don Morris playing the International GTO's, someone? playing Emanons Orchestra, Mark Freeman playing August and Deneen, Pep playing Ted Wilson (actually that was the musical highlight of the year (probably the decade) for me - that final burst of strings is surely the most insane, intense emotional 6 seconds of orchestrated music ever recorded? Just listen to it 1:46 to 1:52 Oh My God; just incredible to hear that blasting out at 3 am on a wet December morning) and finally Ian James playing Dickie Wonder and Gerri Hall. Only downside was House For Sale making an appearance, but on the plus side it wasn't the absolutely-hammered-to-death-three-times-a-night version A very minor complaint in an otherwise outstanding series of sets. Did a few sketches but was defeated by pens running out - must really plan these things ahead of time.
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Levanna McClean teaches Northern Soul
Timillustrator replied to Amsterdam Russ's topic in All About the SOUL
Absolutely spot on! There are some kids that still stick to youth cults - a few of my kids' friends are goths or skaters but even then their musical taste is way wider than those cults used to tolerate. There's even a sprinkling of young mods about but on the whole the under 20's seem to be into a wide range of stuff - partly because a massive range of music is now basically free and they don't have to invest their hard-earned cash into acquiring it. My 16 year old daughter likes a bit of Northern along with a bit of 70's rock, Harry Styles, disco, 80's indie etc; my 20 year old son also likes some Northern Soul, alongside drill, 60's, 70's, reggae, ska etc. Both have been to "proper" events with me in the past, they enjoyed it but it didn't grab them; my son goes to a Soul/Funk night in at a student club in Nottingham too he said it was his favourite night out. I think it has become part of a diverse musical experience and not that many will identify with it to the exclusion of all else. -
Levanna McClean teaches Northern Soul
Timillustrator replied to Amsterdam Russ's topic in All About the SOUL
I think you'll find that the summer festival side of it is already happening, mainly unbeknownst to many on here. Look at Deptford Northern Soul Club's pages, to a lesser extent the Night Owl in Birmingham - both do events in festivals, full of younger people have been doing so for years. For what it's worth both have also been doing club nights very similar to Lev's for the last 5 years too - complete with throngs of people under 30, drinks on the dancefloor and not exclusively Northern Soul. It's really a parallel scene or perhaps not even connected to the scene most people know? but there's a very good chance it'll still be going in 20 or 30 years time. -
Well that was just pure quality from start to finish. Being a generally ignorant person about local geography I had no idea why this was called "Byron" soul club, I'd seen the flyers before with an oil portrait of Byron on, which looked very artistic but more like an advertisement for a book club than a soul club; maybe the DJs read poetry between records? I thought. Anyway it turns out that Byron is buried in the church next door so there you go. Great venue - first floor hall of this building, nicely done up and with a fantastic dancefloor and decent bar and the music was just amazing. I've been to a few Nottingham venues now and the difference between this and the West Midlands is really striking, there's little overplayed stuff but that doesn't lessen the quality one jot. I'd say about 66% of what was played tonight never gets heard in the West Midlands but I have no idea why not, because it's way better than hearing Helen Shapiro, Julian Covay and House For Sale twice a night. Actually despite 5 DJs there wasn't one repeat, something else that's a rarity in the West Midlands. Anyway that's enough negativity but from just one set you had The Startones, The Sweets, The Chants one after another anyone of which could be a highlight anywhere else; not to say it was all obscure Jonathan Capree, Cody Black, Salvadors and Tomangoes all made an appearance but the balance was just perfect. Didn't draw much because it's difficult to actually see the DJ's behind the big screens but you can't really complain about that. I will definitely return!
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Looks like an error by the OP - they've put the start time as 2am by mistake as well as the finish time as 2am. Shortest soul do in history! The poster still says Saturday.
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Even more clashing than before! Everyone seems to want the same weekends.