Denbo

Truly, it IS fun. I LOVE winding up the American Import collectors. But those amongst them that I consider American Import elitists, like I said earlier, they get right up my nose and they deserve to be wound up, at every opportunity. All in good fun however.

Now, now Mr. Cambridge Soul, let's not get personal. These are just our opinions and should be left as such. But I agree with the first sentence in your posting.

I think you'll find it was used somewhere else in the thread. I just picked up on it and expanded on the word reissue.

Hi Dave, No need to shout, I can hear you well enough. What post was that Dave? Sorry, a second issue does not necessarily mean a reissue / re-release. What about those records in the States on small local labels that get picked up by the majors for National distribution, are they classed as reissues / re-releases? I bet not. Especially if the issue on the major label happens to be more obscure / rare than the local label, as sometimes happens. Nah, I'm sticking to my guns. If a record has not been released here in the UK before, then in my opinion, it cannot be classed as a reissue / re-release. Denbo.

YES!!!

In that case, they should be classed as British releases of in-demand US releases , NOT reisssues / re-releases. Again, look at the word, if it's never been released here in the UK, how can it be classed as a reissue / re-release when it eventually does get released? There can be no argument in my mind, no matter how much people try to change it. Black is Black. White is white. End of story.

Hi Dave, Hope you're feeling better? We don't really KNOW each other but I respect your reputation. However . . . . . . I can't agree with you here Dave. How can a record that gets released after the US release, but for the first time in any given country, like say Canada, UK, Australia, etc, be classed as a RE-RELEASE? Look at the word Dave . . . . RE-RELEASE . . . . . how can you justify the word used for a record that was released in a different country of origin, a RE-RELEASE? Sorry mate, but you're wrong.

And on what label happens to be considered the rarest, US or UK.

Oh don't give me that. Yawn, yawn, yawn. But you're right, it IS a toughie and I don't think each group is ever going to have it's mind changed. Still, it's fun trying, don't you think?

Way to go man, totally agree.

'Just my opinion, of course' Wasn't subdued at all but absolutely sarcastic.

Don't matter what the reason is for the first time release here in the UK, it's STILL a first time release here in the UK. As for Lumley being a new release at the time, well no it wasn't, it was released in the USA first, isn't that the argument? So, it too was a reissue / re-release, according to some. Don't matter about demand, if it's the first time it's been released here in the UK, then it's not a reissue / re-release. I can't see how you can argue with that? Now, to give you a better example, the Jay Boy release of the original London release here in the UK of 'Talk Of The Grapevine' by Donald Height, now THAT's a reissue / re-release, or would you say that the Jay Boy release is a re-reissue / re-re-release? Anybody?

And think about this one. When a record is simultaneuosly released in Canada as well as the USA, is that one in Canada also a 're-issue'? How can it be a re-issue if it got released just over the border at exactly the same time, or within a week or two. These American Import, must have the so-called 'original release' elitists get right up my snozzer.

Well said mate.

means what?

NO!!!! If it's the first time it's been released here in the UK, then it's an original first time release, here in the UK.

ABSOLUTE BOLLOCKS, it's not a re-issue, it's a first time release HERE IN THE UK. Now if it came out on Cream in the USA AFTER the original Peachtree release, THEN it would be a re-issue. Just my opinion, of course.

Actually, if you think about it, don't you think the backing chorus where they sing 'Soul In The Sun', which sounds like a bad recording, might in acual fact be an attempt to sound like the horn off one of those long distance trains you get in the States? Pete, please don't send me those pictures of hearing aids. Think about it and use your imagination, don't you think it does sound like one of those train horns. Go on, admit it, I might be right.

Once again, well said that man.

No problem Ernie. Thanks for looking in the first place. Appreciated. Denbo.

Well said that man.

I don't know if they got paid either but I'm certain we would have heard about it directly from the artists if they hadn't. And wouldn't it have been splashed all over the papers if they hadn't. You know what the Americans are like for suing each other over the tiniest of things. Did we see any actual claims for non-payment to these artists? No, I stick by what I said earlier, even though it might not be the best example in the world I could have used.

Didn't Ian Levine just try to emulate the Northern sound with his own personal twist? Yes, he also tried to make money out of it, ie run it as a business with profits and losses. Did he exploit the Northern scene? Yes, he did. But at the end of the day, people didn't have to buy the records he produced. Did the aging artists that he worked with deserve a chance at making a living? Yes, they did. Again, people didn't have to buy their records. But those that did helped these people earn an income for a short period of time. So, isn't Tommy Hunt just doing the same?

We all have our opinions and obviously, mine is a little off from yours. Ho-hum.

Thanks Mace. Nail on the head comes to mind.