Denbo

Testing, testing, 1 2 3.

Like you said Longy, it's nice . . . and moody. Don't forget folks, PM me if you have a copy in good shape for sale. Ta.

Yep, my understanding as well.

Thanks Andy. Was looking for confirmation and you just gave me it. Unless of course, somebody else knows something different?

That's great, thanks. Now I see it again, it's a really poor attempt at a bootleg, don't you think? I mean, the Demo of this 45 was the same colour as the issue as far as I remember, with Audition Copy or something like that printed onto the label. So, what gives with the white Demo for the bootleg? Were there legit copies on the white Demo version?

Longy put me onto this and it's nice and moody. Anybody got a spare in best condition possible? Please PM me with condition and price. Ta.

Can somebody please post up a scan of the white demo bootleg of the Herb Ward 45 "Strange" on Argos. Would be much appreciated if you could. Denbo.

Looks like the Nederland release.

"Just playing Devils advocate of course... " Ain't WE just. Nowt wrong with being 'vocal' I hope? Just offering my opinion on this here Forum. Do you know what, a slight tweak I don't actually mind but let's face it, I think I'm right in saying that there have been some rather heavier handed tweaks in the past. Anyhow, I think we all understand now that I'm a Gramophone player and not a Technics, or such like, player and there's no point bashing heads over opinions that ain't gonna change. I like what you guys play, I wouldn't attend your spots when able if I didn't, just offering my opinion. What was the question again???

Yes, it does seem more prevalent on our scene. And by the way, what's LONG LIVE THE CROSSUNDER !!!!

Hey, don't change the subject. One last thing. As a collector who, by definition, keeps his records, PERHAPS unlike DJs, who MAY WELL turn over their records to fund others they need to DJ with (and good luck to them, they are our pioneers so to speak), what happens in years to come when we all want to replay these records at home or out, do we have to remind ourselves of the pitching numbers by writing them on the cardboard sleeves for future reference? We'd be in a right muddle if we couldn't remember what to pitch them all at!!! I know a good way, just play 'em at their intended speeds, 33rpm, 45rpm, 78rpm. Right, that's it, I'm for a couple of beers and a curry.

That's very true Davie but I'm from the old school and sometimes forget that it's the norm these days to speed up or slow down to personal taste / better dance floor audience. See, I DO understand, just don't agree.

Yes, I know you do but not everybody does and it's on occasions like that when a person can get caught out. In those instances, not a problem if you have a turntable with pitch control, but if you don't and you track down a copy for your collection, then that's where the frustration can set in. IMO. And by the way, I'm not arguing with anybody here, I'm just being the devil's advocate. I hope that's clear?

Unless you are playing to an audience who happen also to collect records. Are you being fair to them?

I can honestly say I haven't. I can't, 'cos like I've already said, I don't have a turntable with that facility. But I wouldn't even if I did, as a matter of principle. And when I visit the States looking for records, I take a record player that has no pitch control neither. Neither do I even look for records where I could alter there affect by speeding up or down. It has to be the real deal or no deal at all.

Hi Kiddo, Nah, shoe-horn works for me. The only word I might want to change is "be" to "fit".

Don't forget the bit about the 'silk purse'.

Okay, Linda played me the track from the Lp at normal speed and then at +8 and whilst I agree, it improved the recording from our New Breed R&B 'dance scene' point of view, I wasn't THAT disappointed with the original speed to be honest. I think Linda is going to contribute to this thread and I agree with her opinions in advance, as we had a good and long discussion about it all and I liked her thoughts on the matter, especially the bits about the recording artists themselves and the 'silk purse'. You'll understand better after she's posted. In conclusion, it's not that I don't understand the reasons for speeding up or slowing down a record, it's just that I don't agree with it in principal, that's all. But good luck to all that think otherwise.

I'll do that but if I'm a luddite then why don't you go the whole hog and cut records to CD after totally remastering them. If you are not prepared to do that then couldn't somebody say that you too are a luddite? I'm all for keeping with the idea of using the technology that these records were intended to be used on, ie a turntable with speeds like 33rpm, 45rpm and 78rpm. I'll give Linda a call.

Yes, but you are then deceiving the punters who may go out and buy the record you played / pitched up or down, only to find when they get home it doesn't sound the way they remember it and might have no facility to 'correct' its speed. You have to remember, there are a lot of good / high quality turntables out there that don't have pitch control. Are these people now supposed to go out and purchase a turntable suitable to make their record sound the way they first heard it?

Hi Joe, I'm not one who opposes technical or technological change but one who prefers to hear a record at its correct speed. If I had a turntable with pitch control I still wouldn't use it. Just one of my pet hates and I have to say, you know I'm not alone. Perhaps slightly in the minority but not alone.