Kenb

@Phil The Fluter

there is a thread from a few days ago you may have missed because its title was something like “have I missed a chance..”

Signatures featured prominently 

Sometimes it’s hard to separate the vocal/ rendition from what the event represents.

I have stumbled across The Signatures live performance and they didn’t seem that bad to me…BUT it’s the crowd that’s attracted to it that makes it cringe worthy

i do vividly remember a “ tribute” group female lead singer once announcing that “this next song is from Wigan pier”.

I have Joe Vaccerino’s Baltimore Sounds (Big book)… but not at home until 18th. When I am back I’ll check these out for you, and get back to you. They are more than likely in there.

Hats off to the folks that post their mixcloud stuff on here. 
a bit of a life saver for me in summer when on holiday.

no Judith chalmers stuff here…but suffice to say, during the summer holidays over the years when “she has been getting ready” (1-2 hours) the mixcloud posts have been top.

played on my portable speaker…from hotel rooms and balconies. Sometimes “ neighbours” ask what’s that…sometimes neighbours ask me to turn it up.

So…where and when do you listen to mix cloud posts on Soul Source.

Yann did have a go at this one for me (1st pic)  without luck...and i had a few (equally as 'dished') that i have had sat between a couple of record boxes for 4 years ( i guess) and now nearly flat.

BUT...if you are DJ'ing with yours then i guess that is not a viable option.(unless you only gig once every 4 years )

Acknowledgement: A recommended read. -SOUL CITY: INDIANAPOLIS' AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY AND SOUL MUSIC, 1968-1974 Jeffrey J. Kollath, Submitted to the faculty of the University Graduate School in partial fulfillment of the requirements for the degree Master of Arts in the Department of History, Indiana University June 2003

abridged for relevance

WGEE-AM [WGEE-AM D.J. Paul Major [Rojam Records] and WTLC-FM both Indianapolis stations, had a policy of black programming. The 'Stomping Ground' of bands like James Bell, Highlighters, Presidents, Vanguards, etc. At WTLC, the D.J.'s were black, and the music was black, although when it opened in 1968 it was owned by both white and black men, unitl 1973 when it wholly owned by black men.

The Ayr-Way department store at 2333 LafayetteRoad posted WTLC's weekly survey that listed the top soul records of the week. The Ayr-Way's claim to fame, however, was the "Soul Browser Center," a list of forty-eight records available for the special low price of sixty-nine cents.

Advertisement for the Ayr-Way Soul Browser Center, Indianapolis Recorder, March 20, 1971,

On 03/06/2023 at 05:48, Roburt said:

Thanks for the very informative posts GF.

It's interesting that Ed Wingate was running a numbers racket -- probably using his record label offices / studio as a front.

The very same thing went on in Cleveland -- Way Out Records there came about the closest to becoming the established label from the city & their studio was really more of a front for 'number runners' than for recording acts. Way Out's owners kept their studio very busy -- they recorded around 10 tracks for every one that got released. The constant flow of singers, groups, musicians, pluggers in & out of the studio / office building helped 'hide' the many numbers runners also coming in & out. 

Way Out's Jim Brown visited Radio Caroline in December 1966. He was trying to secure more money on the back of ''Please Baby Please'', by the Sensations. 

I'm guessing...but i think it might have something to do with provenance. In that, an invoice or sales receipt from JM as to the authenticity is a 'given' if the buyer sells on. Where as a lot of other (not all) sales sources aren't quite as 'indisputable' without taking a bit of time to check, investigate, etc.

So lazy buyers.

Tap to view this Soul Source News/Article in full

not sure what you want to know? artist, 45, year, etc...BUT being that the label is Owings Mills, MD, the book Baltimore Sounds by Joe Vaccarino has Ernie Atkinson (keyboard/vocal) as a 1966-1969 group member of Stan & the Seoul Survivors (formerly 7 Dimensions).

I never met Bobby. And i can accept both accounts of Bobby by the two posters (although i do admit the use of "screw" in the context it was used, isn't one i'd ever use)

When i was researching Ella Woods/Miss Lady/Soultown etc, for the published soul source article back in Oct 2021 i did come across Bobby Sanders.

One 1965 account has the 22yr old Bobby turning away one man and one 17yr old juvenile from his door, only for the two to return with a gun and force another resident to take them to Bobby's apartment. The two men took $200 from Bobby and shot him in both legs, causing compound fractures. Which were treated at the Central Receiving Hospital.

The two men could have known that Bobby carried money and chanced their arm, in which case he was a 'true' victim OR the two men may have had a 'beef' with Bobby ( based on the fact they rerturned).

Curiously  i never found an account for the charges, any trials, or outcome?

the Music (business) in the 60's and early 70's was a tough and sometimes dirty business. Stuff got done by people that probably wouldn't have got done in later life.

19 minutes ago, Source said:

no worries, what be your nomination?

Get on Up ( James brown story)

2 hours ago, Source said:

Come on Ken, what ya trying to do to us, we're talking complete films here,  thought it was fairly obvious

Cream of the crop soul connected films, is what the topic is about

1 nomination so far ... can we get to a top ten?

 

 

 

Doh…

I can be a bit thick, and a bit stupid, but not usually both together.

Three Degrees-The French Connection. slight topic drift

https://intothemild.com/2015/01/20/the-french-connection/

2 hours ago, Woodbutcher said:

Going by the very poor printing and the fact that there's no sign of anything similar in an online search I'd be confident that it's a wrong'un.

I’m no expert on boots, but I have a Connie Francis oldie (not tick tick, although I do have that) on a similar/ same label imprint.perhaps though “your 45” may not be “right”. All  I can say is I have a near identical label.( but not with that track on it)

The label variant is pucker…there are better experts on here who would know whether it’s a boot.

i know a bit about the label, but can't figure why the numbering 'is-as-it-is' (the last 3 that is)?

Anyone know the significance, Thanks in advance. ( credit Discogs for attached view).

4 hours ago, Amsterdam Russ said:

Nearly right - Koningshof. There are a number of places with Koningshof in it. Was it a Europarc, and when did you come over?

It was about 2016...in my Eriba. I visited Delph (again probably spelling incorrect? is Delft?) the pottery folks, and visited by bike (from Koningshof) the University town of L....?

6 minutes ago, Amsterdam Russ said:

A Wednesday afternoon visit to the glorious tulip fields of Lisse here in the Netherlands...

i once stayed in Konningshof (maybe incorrect spelling) to tour the bulb fields.

This should be interesting. Attica America’s Bloodiest Prison Uprising.

Tonight 2nd May (2023)

Not least because quite a bit of 'our' music came from this...Willie & West, Archie Shepp

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001llf2

8 hours ago, Robbk said:

I only remember seeing the local, silver-coloured Steeltown issues back during the late 60s.  I never saw nationally-distributed issues.  I wonder if those Atco and Musicor issues were 1969 or early 1970s issues, based on deals Keith made AFTER the group hit it big with Motown, getting all that national exposure.

4 hours ago, Tlscapital said:

The Atco presses and distributed copies for national promotion were licensed directly after the first local copies were made. So prior their Motown deal and breakthrough. But the Dynamo press dates from 1971 and likely aimed to cash on their then growing success.

I remembered...and just checked that in Boba's interview with Delroy Bridgeman (he) said The Valiants, 'Tell me Tell me what you gonna do' (Gordon Keith produced)  was licensed to Destination Records. I wonder if it ever ventured out on Steel Town. Also, Delroy & Soloman Art was on background overdubs of Big Boy, after the Jacksons had recorded it.

that's it for us. relegated out of the NPL. Losing 4-2 to Marske last night.

11 hours ago, Amsterdam Russ said:

But with intolerance towards people less able than you participating in the same things you do because it doesn't suit you? Lots of respect for your posts and shared info on here, but that's sad.

11 hours ago, Steve G said:

Still struggling here. You haven't explained WHY you wouldn't want to go to a venue, where someone has a mobility scooter. Or why when you can't dance, no one else in a similar position should.   

I'd leave a venue if there were people in baggy pants & towels hangng from their belts. i'd leave a venue if 'the wedding party' were in, if the venue was playing DILYIID,etc. It says a lot about the venue and the people that are attending. 

I don't care who dances...as long as they make their own way to the dance floor -no mobility scooters on dance floors..

Inclusivity & tolerance in these matters ( Northern Soul) are over-rated. People tend to reflect & judge the 60's/70's & 80's 'scene' by todays standards. Not for me. I want to keep my memories in tact. None of which would include someone on a Mobility Scooter on the dance floor. Harsh you may feel, but it's my choice & opinion.