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I like it, but it's a mod track. whoever said Banana Splits is right, sounds like something off the LP

Thing with Joe 90 and Hawaii 5-0 is, they're shite soul records but pretty good soundtrack records. Same as a lot of the R&B / pop that gets played - not appropriate for the soul clubs for sure, but often good pieces of music. 'Call me' by Ed Bishop is just a terrible, terrible record, in whatever context you wish to put it in.

Vonns - So Many Days (King) £100 ex Great girly R&B Ron Buford - deep Soul pt 2 (Camelot) vg plays fine £25 Lou Lawton - knick knack patty wack (Wand) ex £150 mod R&B monster floor filler Jimmy Preacher Ellie - I'm Gonna do it by myself (Jewel) ex £60 all time classic funky mod R&B Ted Taylor - Somebody's Always Trying (Okeh) ex £60 amazing big R&B floor filler Derek Martin - Breakaway (Roulette) ex 30 Nathan Mckinney - Oh How I love you (Ray co) ex £15 nice R&B nicking the Wade In The Water tune KIng John - Something On my Mind (Narco) m- £125 Great early funk sound similar to Frank Williams early stuff. £200 at Manships. King Soloman - Moon Walk (Highland) m- £15 nice bluesy funk T-K-O's - The fAt Man (Ten Star) £15 cool piano boogaloo track Frank Kinsel - Satisfaction (Sunday) £75 vg+ great, rare R&B. Bossa-ish like Rudy Lambert Billy (the kid) Emerson - Every Woman I know crazy about automobiles (Chirrup) £40 Top dirty rocking R&B, only just got it myself but got another copy. Spot & The Blotters - Soul Circle (Equal) £100 ex+ Super rare & obscure Grand Rapids organ funk monster with vocal version that's not bad too. David Coleman - Drown My heart (Barry) £50 Amazing latin soul. one of the best examples of the genre Larry Hamilton - Gossip (Pelican) m cool New Orleans funk, like Aaron Neville etc. J.J. Johnson - Speak Out / Theme from top of the heap (Cas/Fanfare) VG+£40 One of the rarest Blaxploitation related records, a soundtrack to a top underground film from 1972. Has amazing breaks and soundtrack funky bits but a bit over-the-top choir stuff sends it a bit left. Dynamics - Knee Poppin (Polo) ex+ £15 great 60s instro similar to the related release 'Get Clean' on Seafair. Little Robbie - I've got TRoubles of my own (RSVP) ex+ £40 great popcorn tempo R&B. LLoyd Nolan - Fun Fun (King) vg £20 super obscure King R&B release. Plays with a bit of noise Lynn August - Black Olives (Banner) ex £20 obscure organ boogaloo tittyshaker Jimmy Dee - If it wasn't for pride (V-Tone) £40 ex rare V-Tone release. Big voice R&B Ruff Francis - Give Me Mercy (Essica) vg+ £20 plays ex popular boogaloo / 60s funk Gladys - Love (O-Gee) m- £25 nice midtempo girly soul Liz Brady - Palladium (Pathe) ex £40 very rare french version of Sparkles 'The Hip' Dynamic Concept - La Da Da (Power Exchange) ex+ £40 rare UK only mid 70s funk with heavy break Sincerely PT - Fresh Air Where? / Rolling Machine (AAmok) £40 stupidly rare 45 release with the best 2 tracks from the LP Seeburg Spotlite Band - Twine Time (seeburg) £5 vg- bit noisy but playable copy of the e.p. Wallace Petty - Petty Cash (Igloo) ex £5 arranged by Arthur Monday on Igloo, worth a risk I thought, but it's a bit shit. 60s boogaloo instrumentals. Might be of interest for label / Monday collectors Marjorie Black - One More Hurt (Sue) ex £75 all time northern / mod monster

pleeease, no one bite

Mace had one on his recent list. great track.

I've no answer to that you c%!@! I was going to give you an extra £50 for that record too but you can forget that now!

mate, you're so far behind, you think you're ahead. I'm so ahead of the game, I was playing 60s records in the 50s! Dont worry anyway Mace, I only look at what you've been bidding on so that I know what to avoid!

one slipped through on Ebay recently for £20. I'm sure I rember that a certain Staffs based R&B DJ, known for his bargain hunting and unwillingness to sell me Fred Bridges, bid on it, but not enough to win it! £20! The tight bastard!

anyone know how good these sound? For example, if you sent them a CDR of the track, would the vinyl sound as good, better or worse?

I think it's great too, and dont see why it would be hard to dance to. Not as good as Little John, but very good. It seems so obvious to put it on Manships though, that It does make one wonder if these posts are just milking it a bit

John Andrews - It's just love

you did ask more people to give opinions & often I'm not fussed either way so I dont, but I thought that was absolutely rancid, sorry.

Trouble, I'll have that, take it to Manchester with ya

agreed about Sam Fletcher, probably applies to my other examples as well. The group sound is more a soul sound than the beat ballads etc, you can hear the gospel influence. 5 Royales I think is not doo wop and not R&B...that's the kind of sound that's more accurately 'early soul'. Dont know about that Jerry Butler though, nice as it is, it could just be a pop ballad from that era to me, by Elvis or Righteous Brothers

A lot of the tracks mentioned are R&b aren't they? R&B being music with more or less pop production but blues chord changes. If you include Varetta Dillard 'That's why I cry' than you can include 10000 other R&B tracks. That Four Bars is more what I think of as 'early soul'. It starts with an R&B sound but the changes thereafter are not traditional blues changes. Lamont Dozier - 'dearest one', Marv Johnson ' the man who dont believe in love', Sam Fletcher, Freddie Houston, Younge Jessie ' you were meant for me'...that's the sort of sound that I'd describe as 'early soul' and being a different style to R&B, or a different style of R&B at least.

I like instrumental music but don't think the traditional Northern Soul song structure & beat is the best format for them to work. They nearly always sound like a vocal's missing to me. An instrumental needs a very strong groove that doesn't change chord too much or some solo's IMO, and fit's the funk, jazz or R&B style much better. But the flipside of that is that funk suffers as a genre because it lacks tunes. Stuff like: Torques - Bumpin, Bo Jr - Coffee Pot, Big Bo Thomas - How About it, Twine Time, , Joe Simon 'Whoo Pee'...these sound better to me than horrors like Bok To Bach and a lot of Northern instrumentals. Although that one Roger Banks plays is great, and the best I've heard...and Lenny in Glasgow plays one that brilliant too, dont know what it is though. I must confess to liking 'Night of the wolf' too

exactly. Always seemed strange to me that music was more cross-cultural and musicians more mixed and open minded back when society was more racist. I suppose one argument would be that black artists back then had to tone down their sound to sound white and fit in with the white mainstream and couldn't truely express themselves, but this created a new sound which is great in it's own right. And looking at the era from the early 50s to mid 60s, I think it's obvious that black musicians influenced white culture far more than vice-versa. I certainly don't think the music suffered as a result of either culture being influenced by the other, in fact I think it made modern music what it is today. I know the mostly white owned studios ripped their artists off etc, especially the black ones, but the sound of a great black singer with the weight and craft of a 50s -60s big studio band / orchestra & arranger behind them is fantastic IMO.

but a lot of those white tunes & post rock N roll 'teen' ballads were done in the same studios and by the same orchestras and were often versions of the same songs as the 'early soul' by the likes of Jimmy Ricks, Tony Middleton, Freddie Houston etc. I agree that much of it is terrible, but you can't separate the two styles so easily as if they came from different planets. White and black artists (apart from the real blues-men) seemed to move in very similar circles during that era, and often recorded a similar range of slick R&B, 'early soul' and saccharine teen ballads. Sometimes the line between white girl group and black girl group is so thin, it's barly distinguishable, as is the line between a blues artist trying his hand at an urban 'pop' r&b sound, or a country or white teen idol trying the same thing. Think of something like 'Dearest One' my Lamont Dozier. Definitely classed as 'early soul', but I could easily imagine a white artist from the time doing the exact same song with the exact same instrumentation. A lot of Marv Johnson tracks are the same. If they were white they'd be classed as teen or pop. Sure the vocals by the black artists are often better, but there's more to music than the vocals. Having said that, how often do I wish that a good white R&B/early soul track could have had a great black singer singing on it to make it really good?

when googling, I've found the Johnny barnes in Andy Dyson playlists, don't know when from though, and if he's not playing it now, I think he should do the right thing and sell it to me

yeah, I first heard it on a tape from him 3 or so years ago, was £200 then. Great, but hard to justify buying it, think it'd raise a few eyebrows if you played that out! Klezmer-soul!

How about this for a nice oddity: seems fairly elusive, I can't find it anyway... Can't believe it wasn't a massive hit! Mamie_Perry___Lament.mp3

They're both amazing. Known the Barnes for a while, but the other one is new to me, cheers! I'd pay a chunk for the JB for sure, you never see it & it's a masterpiece. p.s. What's the other label apart from Jaba?

one on Ebay about 2002 & one last year went for £610 in VG+.Happy to buy bigger stuff like that off dealers, but not off Ebay, so didn't go for it. What makes it so great for me, is that it's a cover, but a really different take on it. The Chuck Jackson is great IMO, but not really a dancer

think it's be £600+ Daddy, been after it 6 years or so and only ever seen a couple.

Dave, I didn't say it was shit, I said it was banal. As all forums are, as life mostly is. And I mostly add to that banality, partly because I dont have any interesting stories from the 60s to tell, like the chap here does. Light hearted banter is nice, but ultimately banal, and I thought this man's stories would be comparatively interesting - on this site or any other. Forums are like going to the pub every day and chatting to your mates, only occasionaly are you going to hear something interesting. I'm sure you would agree with me that most people have f*** all of interest to say, me included. So dont get all arsey when I point it out and don't take everything as a personal attack. My interest is music & records, and certainly when it comes to writing into a computer, that's pretty much where my interest starts and ends. It is a fact that the music / records section is dull on there, probably reflecting the somewhat half-hearted attitude to music / records on the mod scene in general. For what possible reason am I out of order for mentioning that that's the case as I see it? You know I'm enthusiastic and positive as anyone, if you got a problem with me, I dont fucking know what it is.