pow wow mik

Top track, got the 12" version - extended piano solo which is good or bad depending on your point of view, think the intro is better on the 12" too, didn't get a 45 release did it?

which knob head paid that for it???

ha ha! well, as Ive never been guilty of playing it out I'll have to say 'fair enough' to that!

I'm surprised either got played at soul do's and I'm not keen on Dean Barlow even as a pop record, though it's better than most, but Larry Trider is a good pop record with a groove, i've never been aware that the mod scene was adverse to such records.

well, what I meant is, the traditional Northern sound that so many people love has a massive fan base of people who've supported it for years. You can't just ignore their tastes in order to make it trendy, so that sound should and will go on untill all of that generation's hips go! Which is why I think separate rooms / do's are needed. Like James said, Oslo has worked so well and gets a younger generation in because it is free to play a sound that fits in with the tastes of the DJs (and therefore the punters who are of a similar or younger generations) not feeling forced to play a sound that was popular 25+ years ago in England, as so many soul DJs do in England, however young they are. Like James says, I dont think it has anything to do with oldies and newies, a lot of 'newies' sound like oldies, if you know what i mean! they're unknown, but have that trad northern sound. In order for a young generation to carry on the torch, they need to shape the taste of the scene themselves, so it needs to be separate. There's other factors too, like I think younger people would rather be in proper nightclubs, are used to better quality sound, more variety maybe. Good things tend to survive though.

well I'm not a soulie but I like the best of all 3 styles, but find the Mickey Champion / Leo Price 'rhythm & soul' stuff the most universally popular and the style that has the most unique and tunefull records - as an R&B DJ, they're the ones I'll pay the most for, cos they'll go down the best. I dont like the stuff that sounds like traditional Rock N Roll much though, but that doesn't mean it isn't R&B - it is, it just sounds a bit anachronistic to me, and you look like my dad at a wedding dancing to it! (sorry rockers!) That Tiny Topsy is shit IMO, but 'just a little bit' by her is amazing, popular with popcorn fans, mods, R&B fans or students. That's the sort of record you want, whoever it's by : good ones. Popcorn isn't a style of music, just as Northern Soul isn't, it's the music they like on the popcorn scene, and that includes some crooner and pop stuff, much of which is a bit shit. I think the 'popcorn' style records that get played at mod / R&B do's are not played by people pretending they're R&B or really worrying about catagories, they're playing them because they like them. I mean, they're from the same era and often by the same artists so who decides where you draw the line, you? I'd certainly rather have a cool and catchy popcorn record like 'Minimum wage' played than an average 'proper' R&B record played. I think it's just average music that's to be railed against, whether it's 'proper' soul or 'proper R&B'. There's a lot of it, it gets played far more than popcorn does, so I'd worry about that more. Stuff that's popular will get played - stuff that's deemed shit won't for long, whether it's 'real' R&B or not. I agree though, that too much stuff from the margins - whether it's popcorn beat ballads or gritty harmonica bluesy R&B, which can get very samey for me - is likely to do peoples heads in.

I think young people will get into it if and when events are promoted and records are played by people from their generation, or who share the musical tastes of their generation. So much of the northern soul sound was popular in a totally different era, I don't think it has much in common, musically, with the music that people in their 20s / 30s grew up with. Most people of my generation, and the few generations before and after mine, grew up in an era where music was groove based, not song based, so feel music, however old it is, that is based on a groove and a minor key sound, because that's what the music that formed their taste was like - which is probably why R&B, crossover and funk and a certain 70s sound (like the style Soul Sam plays) and even deep soul have been so more popular with my generation than the traditional northern soul sound. Most people of my generation I know who like vintage soul tend to like a Stafford era type sound, R&B, rhythm & soul, crossover, funky 'modern' and the odd oldie that fits into or near any of those styles. It can't be a co-incidence. It's nothing to do with age of the DJ, like I said, I think Soul Sam has a sound that would be popular with a younger crowd and he's no spring chicken (sorry mate), but the taste of the DJ is very important if you want to pull in younger people. I've heard other 'big' or respected DJs & collectors who are older but have what I'd call a 'current' sound. I think the need to please folks who love that traditional style is putting off new people getting into it. But it's fair enough to please them, they're the one's who've supported it all these years. Maybe new nights or separate rooms are what's needed to please everyone.

taste can be objective. If your taste is shared by far more of a knowledgable audience than mine, then it can be said to be better than mine. If your taste is then inflicted on an audience as a DJ's is then the amount of your taste that is shared with your audience becomes important enough to become objective enough to put a relative value on it. For example, I might like my painting more than I like the Mona Lisa, but that doesn't make it better. In fact, my painting is so shit I think it's completely true to say that Da Vinci's is better. I dont even need to display mine in the L'ouvre to prove this.

more to the point, why is it shattering anyone's illusions?

close your eyes - ted taylor - 14202 refosoul slow version

there's two versions by Ted Taylor is there not? A fast and slow version, the slowy being better IMO - i'll post below. That Everett Mills one sounds a bit drunk club singer for me, my favourite version is the completely off the wall one by the Caprells. Jamie Coe is good but badly recorded / mastered. It's a song that goes back to the 30's apparantly.

my Bo Junior has a very slight hiss when i play it at home, but when i record it to CD or play it out it sounds clean and really loud. Soon as the music comes in it sounds as good as any other 45. I think it's OK for LP tracks, cos they are a pain to carry round , as you're only likely to have one or two anyway, and are often quieter than 45s, and unreleased/CD tracks of any sort . It is certainly ridiculous to not be able to hear a great unreleased track out just because it wasn't ever issued. I think otherwise, if you dont want it enough to buy it on original you shouldn't be playing it - dont want to start the old re-issues v originals debate up again, but the more effort / knowledge you have to put into getting your tunes, the more selective and discerning you'll be, and a better DJ.

no, let me know if you see one about, I should have got it years ago but was too tight arsed!

f*** that! i'm not adding to demand for this, I've been after it years with no luck just take my word for it, it's crap!

WOMAN OF THE GHETTO - phyllis dillon - sioux 13765 refosoul

i dont want to see you cry - ken boothe - island 13761 refosoul oops bollocks, dont know why it cuts off at 2 minutes, got the full version somewhere on the computer sorry

peace begins within - nora dean - - bullett 13760 refosoul

ken_boothe___I_DONT_WANT_TO_SEE_YOU_CRY.mp3

you're no good - ken boothe - - ska beat 13758 refosoul

I got this in Goldmine mid 90s for £3 cos it was a Curtis Mayfield production, pleasant but average I thought ever since. I swear it was the last record on my shelf for 10 years, didn't touch it! not mind blowing IMO. Or I might just be bitter cos i sold it a few years ago for £200

'Our Tune' A feature which started in 1980, heard at 11.00 on his morning programme; Simon would read out a listener's story about their relationship, but changed the names of the people. The story was read out with the background music 'Romeo & Juliet', from Franco Zeffirelli's 1968 film score. I was right. Did Chris Clark use the bit from Romeo & juliet? Is this whole thing a wind up>? , I'm right confused

that second version's excellent! it was making my dog whine! top stuff , how d'you do that? I never know that Simon bates theme was Chris Clark, I always thought it was from a Romeo & Juliet opera for some reason, f*** knows why.

while you're having a bidding frenzy!

no way! I like it, it's always makes me smile and i dont think i could part with it as it's not worth too much i imagine. By the way Nashee, bid away on that thing on ebay that you were getting off me, if you win it cheaper, i'll just give you what you paid me back, i'm happy to keep it, i love the tune so certainly dont feel obligated to buy mine. good luck & see you at Hideaway next week! mik

apart from the Bobby sharp, I've got a pretty funny version of this by Anthony Hall, Star of 'Atlantis'! There's a good male / female duet version too, anyone know who does it?