Wilxy

Hi Robb, Both referred to in A fine publication by Keith Rylatt re- "Groovesville USA-The Detroit Soul & R&B Index, albeit not directly mentioned as such both artist(e)s are referred to within, and I suppose the Mike Terry involvement with Fred Hughes, and Tony Hestor re Minnie Eperson, might link them both somewhat??

Thanks for the feedback to date guys, most of which has been invaluable , having said that from a personal perspective collecting wise, there are still many grey areas! Whilst I appreciate all decent Soul Music from wherever, after several previous collections had to be sold for a variety of reasons from 1974 to date, my penchant for all things Detroit started when I was left with a large handful of my Motown favourites back at the beginning of 2001, and the rest is history so to speak, and my interest has grown from then onward...... Anyway as stated, I'm still in the "dark" with regard some of the non Detroit labels that utilised their artist(e)s within the Detroit studio recording facilities from a completist perspective ! i.e the Don Robey catalogue in total etc. The Arctic label (considering the Philly and Detroit collaborations), amongst several of the other "out of town labels" alas, if anyone can help I'll ask the following....... Can anyone elaborate on the following artist(e) output with regard to specifically Detroit recordings...... Jo Armstead /Larry Banks-Don't pull away /Fred Hughes-Don't bring me down /Sidney Barnes (not under a pseudonym) /Joanne Courcey-I got the power /Dells Cadet output with writing by Hestor/Wylie /Minnie Eperson.....and that's just for starters! Thanks wilxy

TBH Robb, the above version by Marvelous Ray Whirlpool, was also done by Steve Mancha, and written by James Abner, and now having heard the Pat Smith version, it is the same but one of her 4 unreleased Thelma 45's, having previously believing it may have been a different track.......(Doh!)

What's the story behind the Wild Deuce Label, and the links with Emanuel Laskey and Sharon Soul etc.?

TBH, not a record I'd given much eartime , possibly because of its title since its' inception, back whenever! Having said that, whilst the latter lyrics are'nt overly exceptional, the backing track has a certain something, albeit, wherever produced remains a mystery, and TBH for such "anoraks" like myself, keeps me lovingly involved with our musical phenomena.....irrespectively!

Guys, I Thank you so much for your feedback, ....Brilliant stuff!!! Please Keep it coming!

Robb , I humbly doff my cap to you, absolutely superb feedback....Thank You Very Much.!

TBH I am aware of the Okeh releases and have the latter pair, but Good Point well made.

At ease Soulsearch, It's definitely on the Sidra Cd as I said, and confirmed it whilst driving yesterday....LOL! Benji, is referring to another possible out-take on the Solid Hitbound compilation also......

As this is likely to be an ongoing topic (for myself anyway), and as I work through my playboxes over the next few weeks (only on Fridays I might add), I have a few more "questions" to add, for example the Mala / Bell links to the topic subject, in particular regarding Melvin Davis and Tobi Legend? The Millage label, i.e. The Kazia release and later on Kelly St. Clair? Red-Bird label , Roddie Joy ? Revue label in particular regarding Garland Green? Smash label inc. Scott Brothers/Irene & Scotts/all included Theo/Coff/Babbit in production, etc, and the "old chestnut" Luther Ingram & G-Men I spy for the FBI.....? Lastly tonight the Soul Dimension label from New York with regard to the Smith Brothers....... Thanks in anticipation.

Benji, it is definitely on the Totally Solid Hitbound, track 21 as I've just checked, alas my only CD player is in my car, so can't confirm whether it is the out-take or not, but good shout regardless!

As previously mentioned, it seemed there were a few about in 77/8 and was offered a copy for £8 at Yate, but didn't take up the offer......Alas as a Ric-Tic completist, picked a copy up around 10 years ago.....for a bit more than £8, and a lot less than "mega-bucks" !

Thank you very much for that information Robb, it is very much appreciated! Please feel free to elaborate further in due course if you would, as I find the whole subject fascinating.......

I think, that the CD Eddie is referring to is actually "The Sound of Sidra", an outta sight soul essentials-"The Detroit Sound" and the release no. is OSCD011, and Barbara Mercer outtake version is track #8....

The Following items required in minimum VG++ condition, PLEASE PM ONLY with price and condition. Ruben Fort-So Good- Anna Barrino Brothers-Trapped In A Love-Invictus Ty Hunter-I don't see me in your eyes no more-Invictus Flint Emeralds-You don't know that I love you-Coconut Grove Flint Emeralds-Just like a baby-Gatewood Thanks wilxy

Hi Dave, apologies but could you elaborate, on John Rhys' involvement, as I was under the illusion that the Rotations was done at Virtue studios in Philadelphia????, and furthermore the latter with reference to the tape unrolling!

Any idea where Luther Ingrams' Hurdy-Gurdy and Smash 45's were recorded?

TBH Dave, I appreciate that the Valentinos were a Detroit group, always thought it was a Chicago production?

Thanks Robb.

Great tune, picked it up cheaply on SureShot.......

Several of the Bobby Williams tracks were "allegedly" recorded in Detroit, including I've only got myself to blame......

OK, a few more to consider, having got sidetracked slightly whilst airing some of the vinyl, with a few "curvreballs" in amongst them! Ruby Andrews I got a bone to pick with you ABC Volcanos Laws of love/Lady's man Arctic Some of the Backbeat stuff, Some of the Blue Rock releases. The Boo items written by Bridges/Knight?Eaton..... Some of the Buddah stuff featuring JJ Barnes, and the Monitors-Fence around your heart? Betty Lavette on Calla-I feel good all over/Only your love can save me... Tony Clarke Landslide Chess, Sharon Soul s' Coral output, Willie Hatcher on Cotillion Charmaines on Date Several items on Duke, including 2 from Bobby Bland-Yum-Yum tree, and these hands small but mighty? Junior Parker-These kind of blues.....Barbara Lewis on Enterprise....Belita Woods/Betty Lavette on Epic Laura Lee and the Dells versions of Your Song? Luther Ingram-Run for your life-Hurdy-Gurdy Johnny Burke-Love on a lease plan-Joanne Johnny Daye-Good Time-Jomada To Be Continued, thanks for your assistance.......

Crackin' Tune, and in my collection.

As a "Born Again Detroit" collector (specifically) for the last 20 years anyway, and having read some superb articles by some very well versed Soul Source contributors in relation to the Motor City over the years, I have been intrigued by the information gleaned regarding to "out of town artist(e)s utilising the superb recording facilities in Detroit! I appreciate there are some wonderful books and label related publications, regarding the entire Detroit label repertoire, including a superb label listing compiled by Chalky several years ago on Soul Source, but am both fascinated and eager to learn of the non-Detroit labels and artists that used the likes of United Sounds/Golden World studios to name but a few! I am aware of the labels such as American Arts, and Big Wheel and the obvious Atlantic, and Volt labels utilised by Ollie McClaughlin and Don Davis, and furthermore the hybrid Pied Piper material released courtesy of RCA, who were also a vehicle for many Detroit artist(e)s, but the anomalies are many.....Mike Terry produced many items on both Chicago and Philadelphia output, like Arctic, and Giant/Okeh, etc. but an "obvious" anomaly Billy Hambric-I found true love on Drum, written by Don Juan Mancha, that differences of opinion in several publications highlight.......I won't elaborate further at this stage but hopefully open up viewpoints and opinion, and furthermore glean more information to assist my collecting habit!!!

Rest In Peace Sir, A true Legend in your field of expertise........