Dave Thorley

Let me start by saying that if I have given wrong information or incorrect facts to the readers of this thread I apologise. The fact still remains that the rights to 'Rainy day' sat with Little Archie, through McGlynn Music and is still registered as such to this day at BMI. MC GLYNN MUSIC CAE/IPI #: 18918172 Contact: MC GLYNN MUSIC 2519 RTH AVE BOX 5375 HUNTINGTON, WV 25703 When Archie died, the rights to the song didn't transfer to Isaac or any other member of the group. They would have been part of his estate and as such for his family to act upon. I feel sorry for Isaac and many other artists that see their recordings gain popular appear many years later, but they receive nothing from this success, due to them not owning the rights. Little Archie or his estate owned the rights and so it doesn't matter how much money you gave Isaac, he was not in a position to authorize it's re-release. Now if you where then to say that you could not find him or his family, his wife can still be found in the U.S. Green Pages under Archie's Name, today. If you wanted to license something from Isaac you could have put out their other great song 'Cry no more', which Isaac was the writer on. Lastly seeing your pressing of 'Rainy day' I find it odd that you chose to copy all the info from the first release, except the song writers name. Which for some reason or another best know to you, you have changed from Archie Hymon, to Angelina ??? I have no intention to contact his family, I'm not here trying to pick a fight. Just to say that when these things are done they need to be done correctly, as many companies. like Kent & Numero do every day of the week. If you were contacted by Archie's family, legally I think you'd find your on a sticky wicket.

He also referred to Bobby Womack, as Billy Womack !!!!!!............

At the time the whole thing went down he was alive and contacted Andy Rix, pissed off. He may well have now passed, but that doesn't change the fact that he and his family own the rights.

I can understand that, but time stops for no one and considering the hard knocks the city's had it is reforming in an interesting and exciting way. Vibrate music scene, cool 'Off Grid' community, big student population, because of Wayne State, lots of alternative shops and restaurants, plus you can go out and listen to music nearly every night of the week.

I would guest looking at the guys and listening to their stories about the same time or just a little later. But you know how these stories mutate with the passage of time, plus machismo, so you end up with a version of the truth. Also without speaking to George and co, it's hard to put the other side of the story together. Something must have happened at some stage for them to change their name, Contract problems with Westbound, the court thing, change of musical direction, who knows....

Should have got Mica's dad on, she quoted and mention him enough, in fact he seems to know more about the subject than all four of them. But what did you expect, The BBC usual, let's reduce it to the most common denominator.

Thanks Neil, great watch. Dave why sad ?, that's the whole point of the film, underneath all the decay is a very vibrate, city which still has a great music scene. It's just that it's different to before, but still lotsa young kids making great music. Cool interesting shop, food stores, resturants, music clubs. It's a fab city and always a blast to go to.

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You've got me there Steve. Other than the first pressing were local pressings, but it later came with a Musicor distributed address and a different pressing. In fact there were three pressings one with no address, one with Down East address and one with Musicor distribution address. Not sure in which order of on which of the two titled formats these are....Steve???

The West Virginia Parliaments had four releases to my knowledge............. Your cute/I'll get you yet Symbol 917 I found out/She loves me only-Unpredictable 691M-9745 Cry no more/Sweet nothin Cabell 112 This is my rainy day/Getting ready for summer Cabell 115 The Symbol release came from a session they did with Juggy Murray in New York, which Issac said had other material, that was not released. Although the group lived in Huntingdon, West Virginia, all their other material was recorded in Lexington, Kentucky. They would travel there regularly to perform at 'Frat Parties' at the collages. It was on one of these visits that a local studio owner invited them along to do some recording sessions, from this came the Unpredictable and later the Cabell recordings.

Sorry about that Robb, yes you are right, big difference between the two states. The Detroit Parliaments, as they are know, were originally from Plainfields, New Jersey. Where I guess they cut their Doo Wop sides. Sammy Cambell of the Del Larks, says he remembers coming across them locally way back when. Isaac of the West Virginia group tells a story about the name clash. He says that they went to court over the name and a judge found in their favour, prompting the Clinton group to change to Funkadelic. But I've never had a chance to ask anyone in the other group to confirm that.

I think it was an issue to do with rights to the song, but can't full remember. Tim Ashibend met the label owner and has the full story.

the one with 'What can I do', as this was withdrawn and many of the copies destroyed.

Paliaments on Cabell were a 7 piecs band from Huntingdon, Virginia (as Karl said), they included brothers Isaac & Rail and one Little Archie, who also recorded on Dial. He now lives in Nashville and wrote this is 'My rainy day'. There was 45 that came out a year or so ago that claimed to be legal re-issues, but Little Archie was never contacted or paid for the re-issue and he holds the only legal rights to the song. It was claimed at the time that Archie was dead, but he is alive and well and very pissed off. Little Archie also sang lead on 'My rainy day'

So you did, I'm getting old Butch. Which reminds me, why haven't you played that acetate out it fab.....

I'll ask Colin

Which I believe came from Richard, that was some amazing trip he took to Detroit.....

Just doesn't sound right for Colin, could have been Ian Levine, sounds just up his street

Un-likely, as there were two copies at Stafford, Guy's and mine, both of these came from Richard Popcorn Wylie in the late 70's/very early 80's. I first heard it on a tape that Martin Koppel sent me in the 70's, he said at the time it was the only copy known and he didn't want to give it up. So I think as with many of these stories things got mix and muddled, but it was know about in the 70's and was played extensively in the early 80's by both of us. When I first got the tape I mentioned it to both Ian Clark and Ady Pountain, who both knew of it's existance, so again, think this story has been some what twisted over the years.

Why so serious ? ?, clearly my comments about the government were massively tongue in check, as the last line of my post emphasises. Think all the people before have seen the amusing side of this from their posts. The building will continue to decline and then a big storm will come and wash it away.

The National Trust could buy it for the nation, 'UK Soul Nation'. The Government could step in, buy it and create a UK Black Music museum. Would be no worse than some of the other mickey mouse national museum, successive governments have sunk millions of tax payers money into.

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From what I was told, when they knew they were closing, they sold stock off cheap to all the record stores around the town, so Coachman's, Miss White's, Detroit Audio, Lenny's One Stop etc would all have taken them into stock

As I said in an earlier post 'When Ric Tic closed it's doors he grabbed what was left of over stock, about 10,000 45 across all the titles.' He being James 'Casablanca' Sanford. These stories always get embellished with time, as well as what James had I'm sure there would have been stock sitting in some of the Detroit distributor such a Merit, for sometime after they closed.

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