Dave Thorley

Subway Riders - Adam/After the session - Moon Shot I always thought B side ' After the session' was an instrumental of 'Moonlight, Music And You', which some of the 45's indeed do play. But the other day I sold one and the customer sent it back saying it was a mis-press that plays something else other than M M & Y and this was not the first time he had bought one of these. So when I got it back I listened to the other track on the pressing.and listening to the crazy vocal/chat, they seem to be talking about the end of the session etc, ie 'After the session'. So does this mean that the 'Moonlight, music & you' instrumental is infact the mis-pressing ?????? Anyone know the story.......

Willis Pittman & The Burden Lifters - Ask god in faith - Eternal Gold £150 +P&P (VG+) Oh so hard to find group crossover soul/Gospel dancer https://youtu.be/Mz6KhMCJoQY Bobby Womack - trust your heart - Columbia Demo £20 +P&P (Mint, Company Sleeve) At his late 70's best, here on the rarer demo, Bobby in Detroit with this Don Davis production, Rudy Robinson & Wade Marcus arrangement.............. https://youtu.be/rCPuHDbfq90 Sensational Birds Of Harmony - You can depend on it - Lewis £175 +P&P (VG+) Oh so rare Group Soul/Gospel side from Shriveport https://youtu.be/8vAIulph7oU C.Q.C.'s - If you ain't got no money, you can't get no honey - Red Mark (Demo) £250 +P&P (VG+, Plays close to mint) Insanely rare first label for this group funk bomb outta Cincinnati https://youtu.be/566_-_sfLAU Merry Clayton - Gimme shelter - A&M £40 +P&P (Mint-) Rare french pictuire bag copy of this indemand funk dancefloor destroyer https://youtu.be/MjxmZw3mVTk

'the frail man, that was a big man' Like everyone that 'The Force Of Nature' that was Michael Cruise touched. I sit here with a heavy heart this morning, even when you know it's coming, it's still hard. His humour, company and great love of soul music, always made him a joy to be with, even though his machine gun delivery would take a few moments to tune into, (Smile), and now I am smiling, he always had the ability to make you smile................

They were the house band for Peg Leg Bates's country club in the Catskill's, New York state. Most of the copies were sold to the clientele who came to the club, hense it never turning up in any quantity. Was re-issued in 2006 on the mighty fine Lotusland label

Plus one more Karen Striblin - Were not too young/Just a little girl in love - Jaber £100 +P&P (mint) 60's version of the great Jackey Beavers tune, plus the bonus of a cool midtempo flip. Great two sider https://youtu.be/fdPug9IYORw https://youtu.be/MmPFJ9F-1k8

Hank Carbo - Party Lady - January £50 +P&P (Mint) Hard to find smooth modern dancer from the man https://youtu.be/lIZhjan7bbk Joneses - Who love love - Epic Demo £45 +P&P (Mint) Cool Bobby Eli produced modern soul classic https://youtu.be/wZCsZfcR9J4 Gene Marshall & The Ghetto Sons - One shirt - Markeda £65 +P&P (Mint) Hard to find Chicago crossover stunner https://youtu.be/HuAzbajeVDE Dramatics - No rebate on love - Mainstream Demo £20 +P&P (Mint) Rare white demo, of this classic modern soul winner https://youtu.be/IOBwdR4HKZA Joe Graham - Hug is better than drug - 45 +P&P (Mint) Hard to find Atlanta drivin' modern soul dancer https://youtu.be/3X_ljjfFBEg Softouch - After you give your all - Prodigal Demo £40 +P&P (Mint-) Big Butchmister uptempo modern soul winner https://youtu.be/4b2XR7oUX6I Slyvester Boyd _ I don't want nobody - W.J.J. £30 +P&P (Mint) Much harder first local Memphis label for this cool midtempo crossover winner https://youtu.be/tbAXwDbGm9c

It's more simple than that. It just didn't sell, Revilot would have done a fairly decent first pressing run on all their releases. In the 70's a fair few were found in different warehouses in Detroit. At the time was seen as to slow for the UK scene and many of these went to Japan. As for his Jaber stuff, Jackey told me that most saw little more than 1000-2000 pressing runs, which is pretty small. The US was only pressed at 500, as it totally bombed, and they got no orders from the usual distributors, to justify any more being pressed. Similar situation with Karen Striblin and his own 'Lover come back'. If I remember the conversation correctly, the ones that did see bigger pressing runs, were Mighty Elegants, his rendition of 'Hold on'

I think some of it as well was down to Jackey. He recorded his 60's stuff, but was never one for doing that many live appearances which always help to sell your records locally. He then moved himself and all the band down to Georgia in the late 60's and started all over again with John R in Nashville. He seemed to want to make a fresh start, and leave his Detroit days behind him. Even later he found god, became a minister and left his musical past totally behind. On the occasions I met him, he really didn't want to talk about his music career that much, although he was always fun to be with. A really nice guy and a sad loss.......

Plus One more Now - Girl you sure turn me on - Fee £25 +P&P (Mint) Cool group 70's crossover dancer from Detroit

Dean Francis & The Soul Rockers - Tippin/Funky disposition - Hillside £155 +P&P (Mint) Cool drivin' Ohio dancer from the late great drummer. Killa JB style funk destroyer on the flip https://youtu.be/GeUSqj62dAY https://youtu.be/6fdk4sdBY8E DeBow - Crime - Unicorn Project £200 +P&P (Mint) Funk dance floor destroyer from Louisville, here with the cool picture bag... https://youtu.be/vPrsverKvTc Holland-Dozier - New breed kinda woman - Invictus £40 +P&P (Mint with company sleeve) All time classic 1973 crossover stunner with Lamont Dozier on vocals https://youtu.be/hpubZdk_E0U Denise LaSalle - I'm so hot - MCA White Demo £50 +P&P (Mint) Rare 45 on the even harder whits demo of this cool modern soul dancer https://youtu.be/o1PaojGGcFs Frank Dell - Baby you've got it - Valise £55 +P&P (Mint) Big Frank AKA Frank Murphy on this great uptempo 60's dancer https://youtu.be/PRAIkqC5zYM Al Kent - The way you been acting lately - Ric Tic £25 +P&P (Mint-) Detroit gets no better, stunning midtempo 60's classic https://youtu.be/185fMEgguyc Andre Williams - You got what I want - Ric Tic £20 +P&P (Mint) Stormin' 60's dancer, same backing as the supa rare Fabulous Apollos - Determination https://youtu.be/j3ABfn2o1_4

Vibrations - Gonna get along without you now - Okeh white demo £45 +P&P (Mint-) Thumpin' 60's group classic, here on the much rarer white demo.... Nice to take this to Prestatyn and get it signed............. https://youtu.be/S2dmw24RHFo Willie Hightower - Nobody but you - Capitol Demo £15 +P&P (Mint-) Classic midtempo 60's Bobby Robinson production https://youtu.be/EGCBhjHHdsQ Wes Black - I feel good - Star West £60 +P&P (VG+) Uptempo west coast modern soul winner https://youtu.be/9FKwIdbqzMY WQBC - Love me anyway/Nightmare - Thunderbay £45 +P&P (Mint) Big tune for Robin Salter back in the day, 2 great modern soul sides, hard to find original release of this 1984 45 https://youtu.be/46KENst2n-c Ray Batts - Love me - Faces £75 +P&P (Mint) One from Soul Sams play box, pretty midtempo crossover winner https://youtu.be/ymGar_I0b7U Killa funk flip 'Don't take my dreams'... https://youtu.be/qGZOAKr6VS4 Lanier & Co - Dancing in the night - Waylo £10 +P&P (Mint) Original 45, memories of the first 2 hours at Stafford, oh so soulful group modern soul.

Comes with the same fabulous Train sleeve, as the LP

Gordon Keith - Look ahead - Calumet £50 +P&P (Stone Mint) Guy Hennigan classic, thumpin 60's Indiana soul

Haze - Waiting for the moment -ASI £25 +P&P (Mint) Uptempo modern group funk dancer from Minneapolis

Na Allen - I'm in love with you - Janus £15 +P&P (Mint-) Lesser know, killa funk dancer from the great man https://youtu.be/6BDwuwkRtTc L. V. Johnson - Too many traps/Selective amnesia - Ichiban £10 +P&P (Mint) Little know cool uptempo modern soul dancer, cool midtempo flip https://youtu.be/Rw0R6NC3Rkk Le Johnn - Someday, someway - Smoke & Fire £50 +P&P (Mint) Hard to find, pretty sweet vocal Chicago modern soul winner https://youtu.be/3MTQSd6ZV2o Lainer & Co - I don't know - Waylo £12 +P&P (Stone Mint) Big tune back in the day at Stafford, Oh so soulful Memphis modern soul. Original U.S. 45 mix https://youtu.be/IgPyO48SRso Haywood Lee - it's a sin to tell a lie/Oogaloo - Scram £20 +P&P (VG+) Driven' R&B dancer, killa Latin instrumental flip https://youtu.be/uqtOFRqd1NM https://youtu.be/zNlzkhl0ovg

True Image - Different kind of love - Juana £35 +P&P (Mint) Little know group version of the Ronnie McNeir song, not an easy one to find Vernell Parker - I'm not the one PT2 - Big Mack £75 +P&P (Mint) Rare Detroit funky 70's dancer Temprees - At last - We Produce White Demo £20 +P&P (Stone Mint) Classic dance floor destroyer, here on the much rarer white demo Erroll Gaye & The Imaginations - Love and affection - Steeltown £15 +P&P (Mint) Pittsburgh label for this fantastic modern soul dancer, killa 'Lowrider' flip Kyonz Howard - Goin' away - Christie £20 +P&P (Stone Mint) Much rarer version of the Jerri Richards tune, George Perkins produced uptempo NOLA modern soul stunner, cool strings, less messy than the other version Jackie Ross - Honey dear/Take me for a little while - Chess £10 +P&P (Stone Mint) Oh so soulful 2 sider, one of her best and so underated

I'm sure you think your prices are low, but the buyers still might not, $1.00 starting price and see what happens. You will be dis-appointed with some sales, but you will also be surprised by others. If your not comfortable doing this, then sell fixed price on here or on Facebook.

I'm not trying to get into a fight, but pricing's has to be about what the market is willing to pay or as we used to get hammered into us when I worked in sales 'A price that both the seller and buyer are happy with'. The number of times I have posted things and someone puts a comment, 'Half the price of the price guides' or 'Well below market prices'. Really, most printed price guides are compiled at least 6 months before they are on sale, in this current market, that can mean they are as much as 50% out by the time they hit the market. I price all records by comparing other peoples prices and auction closing prices, time consuming yes, but I do sell a lot of records, so it must work to a greater extent. Do I get it wrong, yes sometimes, both to high or to cheap, but you have to take a big picture view John Anderson gave me some great advice some years ago. "Price your records at a profitable level that you are happy with and that is attractive to buyers. It's not about trying to look clever with lots of high ticket records on your site or list, it's about having empty shelves.If you see a record you sold last week, sell the next for more money, think nothing of it, just do what you do well and go and buy some more records and do it all over again."

It will sell on Ebay, if you put it up with a low start bid ie $1.00 and then it will reach what people think it's worth. But this may not be what you think it's worth, but that's the whole point of an auction, market forces. If you really want to sell stuff, you just have to take personnel attachment or like out of it, but this is hard for all of us. Set sale your pricing, then on here or Facebook in selling groups, again if you price it right it will sell.

Plus 2 more California Rock Choir - Whoever you are - Cyclone £35 +P&P (VG+) Oh so soulful indemand crossover winner https://youtu.be/xELTRaqAxDE Johnny Daniels & The Soul Malibu's - Make you feel so good - SMR£20 +P&P (Mint) A mighty fine funky modern soul winner

Ella Washington - I don't care about you - Sound Stage 7 £20 +P&P (Mint) Killa sista funk from Ella https://youtu.be/M0k5Udk8L78 Sweet Vandals - Too Much - Unique £10 +P&P (Mint) Shame on you if you did get this, now out of print, 45 as a new release, hard drivin' funk from those nice people in Germany https://youtu.be/lnSw-8glr_I Significants - Funky Party/I'm in ecstasy - Alesver's £200 +P&P (Mint) Their other hard to find 45, one side big Soul Sam funk dancer, Flip, oh so soulful modern soul dancer. https://youtu.be/1rUW0iDhPe0 https://youtu.be/csq3BKsYCXM Advanced Workers With The Anti Imperialist Singers - Better red, let the others be dead - Peoples War £50 +P&P (Mint) Killer uptempo funk winner from New Jersay https://youtu.be/dq5SWLv6mRo Oscar Perry - Something to write to home about - Sophie £250 +P&P (VG+, Marker pen on label, wax is mint-) Supa rare mid 60's thumper from the great man, one of his rarest https://youtu.be/wNMt5tcOR6M Brass Fever - Times running out - ABC/Impulse Demo £12 +P&P (Mint) Cool 70's midtempo stunner, Jones Girls on vocals, McKinley Jackson/Esmond Edwards/Wade Marcus, Detroit production. Swirling strings, cool sax and the girls, pure magic. This is the 45 mix, which is more punchy than the LP version. Here on the hard to find white demo............ https://youtu.be/DtEJ3bgsC5I

Not seen either of them in many years.

You all may find this interesting reading, from the excellent Sir Shambling's web site. This tells us that Cletus & Bernard are one in the same................ Cletus Marland Cletus Marland came from Pittsburgh, PA and cut his first records around 1960/1 for local record man Odell Bailey. The rare Bevmar release has a decent doo wop styled ballad in “Be My Love” and the 45 leased out to New York’s Roulette — which sounds like it was cut at the same session — has the similarly styled “I’ll Take Care Of You”. But for his later, and better music, he was in the charge of Detroit producer Ernest Kelley, who cut him in the Big Apple. The first tracks released from these sessions coupled the Northern “Every Now And Then” with the super downbeat Keep On A Loving which features some nice chord changes and an enthusiastic female chorus. Kelley didn’t release other songs from the 1965 sessions until the 80s when he reactivated his Terry label for the pleasantly tuneful “You’re Gonna Miss Me” with the fine deep ballad Yesterday on which Marland undoubtedly gives his very best vocal performance. The girl group are a little further down in the mix on this one and the horns more prominent which helps. Like almost all of his tracks this one was written by Pittsburgh writer Bernie Dupree — a special nod of thanks to him. And until Grapevine 2000 released their “Kelley’s Soul Heroes” CD that was thought to be all of Marland’s recordings. But there was one ace up his sleeve, the superb I Wish That You Were Here which is a version of Kip Anderson’s magical “A Letter From My Darling”. Now this track was released in 1968 so either Marland had another session with Kelley after this date or he cut the first version of this classic ballad. In any case Marland is excellent here, more gritty and soulful than on other tracks, and the band give him high class support. Maybe not quite up to the emotional depth that Anderson achieved but pretty close. Cletus Marland apparently moved to the West Coast where he is reported to have passed on. UPDATE ~ Dave Turner writes to point out that the Bernard Dupree 45 on Granger ("You're Gonna Miss Me") is the same as the Cletus Marland issue. The flip "Yesterday" is the same song but a slighly different mix. This very interesting bit of info prompts the thought that as Granger was a West Coast label, and that is where Marland is reported to have ended up, could he and Dupree be one and the same person? Thanks to Dave for the excellent spot. FURTHER UPDATE ~ I can now confirm that Bernard Dupree is indeed the same guy as Cletus Marland. I have also updated the discography to show the Wink 45 second issue of Marland's first 45. See link for further reading https://www.sirshambling.com/artists_2012/M/cletus_marland/index.php

Chuck Bernard - Indian giver - Satellite £20 +P&P (Mint-, slight stain to label, wax is mint) Barn storming 60's Chicago, here on the much rarer white demo https://youtu.be/tDeJOc3GwrE Eddie Billups - My girl - Shurefine £15 +P&P (Mint) Rare first label for this stormin' 60's R&B dancer https://youtu.be/5FR3bcIAljQ Chantique - I know I'm falling in love/Too much of anything - AIP £50 +P&P (Stone Mint) Stunning Detroit female modern soul, great value for two great sides. Tiny label, with a very small pressing run https://youtu.be/JdbKyUv8aGQ https://youtu.be/udIzi1MgKKE Chuck Bernard - Got to get hold of myself - Zodiac £15 +P&P (Mint) Stone groove midtempo modern soul stunner https://youtu.be/-0IFF_GrJ0E Willie G - Meet me halfway - Ric Tic £15 +P&P (Mint) Ed Wingate written & produced, midtempo big beat Detroit 60's magic https://youtu.be/-umskMNLioo George H. Franklin - That's how it is when you're in love - Faces £50 +P&P (Mint) Supa bargin price for this southern stunner https://youtu.be/nP3mbK-DJ0U Maxine Crayton - Don't take your love - Steeltown £60 +P&P (Mint) Sublime 60's midtempo dancer, one of the hardest on the label. Up there with Barbara Mason - You better stop https://youtu.be/N1NxGOXbLBA Dillard & Johnson - Here we go loving again - Piedmont £20 +P&P (Mint) Local label and the best mix of this modern soul classic https://youtu.be/S0kNuKB3cN8

Plus one more Entertains - Love will turn around - Steel Town £10 +P&P (Mint) Phittsburgh label this time, for this uptempo group 70's classy dancer