Dave Thorley

You have counted them !!!, be churlish not to name and shame them then Pete

The song itself is a old spiritual song, taken from Wikipedia...... "Wade in the Water" (Roud 5439) is the name of a Negro spiritual first published in New Jubilee Songs as Sung by the Fisk Jubilee Singers (1901) by John Wesley Work II and his brother, Frederick J. Work (see Fisk Jubilee Singers). The song relates to both the Old and New Testaments. The verses reflect the Israelites' escape out of Egypt as found in Exodus:14.[1] The chorus refers to healing: see John 5:4, "For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had." Many internet sources and popular books claim that songs such as "Wade in the Water" contained explicit instructions to fugitive slaves on how to avoid capture and the route to take to successfully make their way to freedom.[2] This particular song allegedly recommends leaving dry land and taking to the water as a strategy to throw pursuing bloodhounds off one's trail. "Wade in the Water" was a popular instrumental hit in 1966 for the Ramsey Lewis Trio, which prompted further instrumental recordings by Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass, and Billy Preston (both 1967). The melody was used for the 1988 Tony! Toni! Toné! hit "Little Walter". The version by Golden Gate Quartet also appears on the album Nick Cave - Roots & Collaborations (2009), establishing the song as one of the musical sources that have inspired the Australian artist. "Wade in the Water, Children" is a 2008 American Documentary directed and produced by Elizabeth Wood and Gabriel Nussbaum. It was filmed by a group of 8th grade students at the first school to reopen in New Orleans in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. The film offers a shockingly intimate look into life as a child in the ruined city. The film was praised as "Scalding Stuff" by Newsday, and won the audience award at the New Orleans International Human Rights Film Festival. There are a fair few gospel version that also have dancefloor appeal, here's a few Apostles Of Music - Revival Records, nice funky version Truth - Wade in the water - Mega

Pete you know full well I'm not sayin' we're gonna be dancin' to Lowrider records. I was just making the point that, often when people in the UK say something is not well know, in the great scheme of things and to the worldwide collecting scene that isn't the case And you understand fully what I'm saying, but as always you pick and choose the parts of my post to respond to so to have a good joust, which is always enjoyable.

OK Mal As Pete has quoted you and says 'that's what he meant'. love to hear your feedback on the posts

Your absolutely right, no they won't. As many of the records played in the 70's haven't. But some will and will become part of the folklore of the 'Northern Soul Scene'. The scene has always evolved, what was being played in the mid 70's was different to what was played in the late 70's, it definitly changed in the 80's. Records from there and even the 90's scene now stand as classics in the pantheon of greats and new ones will be added, some of them funky edged. Kings Go Forth, hhhhuuuummm lot of marketing hype, me thinks

What I'm saying is that many of these 'Funky Edged' records are being played today on the 'Northern Soul Scene' are some of the biggest record at the moment and will be remembered in five years. Example Charles Mintz - Running back, been one of the biggest funky northern records of the last 10 years, so is already remembered for more than five years and will still be so in 20 years.

Sorry all, James Hendrix was originally operating in Nashville with his Carrie label. He moved up to Detroit and hooked up with Lou Beatty working with him on several projects, hence Carrie having Nashville and Detroit addresses.

No, James was a producer living in Detroit.............

The original post asked about guys posting these things on here. I was pointing out that they don't realise that this is a 'Northern soul site only' The point about the U.S, Japan etc is that we are all now connected, including the UK and so these records will still be around in 20 years and remembered and as many are now crossing over to the 'Northern Soul Scene' yes on here as well.

Very true Pete, Many soul nites are little more than your local disco. So some DJ's still cover up records to have some exclusivity, add a little mystic and create some of the fun of the chase. That's why some of us still travel miles in this country and abroad to hear these said DJ's play, cause you ain't gonna hear these 45's otherwise, and long may it continue ......... This weekends massive turn out at Cleethorpes will be testament to that, People traveling to from all over europe to enjoy the mystic of 'The Strange World Of Northern Soul' (Copyright Ian Levine !!!!) sadly I won't be there.............

As I said in an earlier post 'Lighten up'. What has always made this scene FUN is the music,mystic, un-written laws, codes, odd people, and a liberal helping of chemicals (not that I approve of course !!!). If all is know, every record is standard recommended retail price, a venue every town, and DJ's can access every record, then all you have is your local disco.

PS the rare soul, collectors scene in the U.S. now has soul/funk nights in most of the major cities. So a little extrapolation, say that there are 20 cities holding nites once a month, with 200-300 attending, and many of these events do. That's close to 5,000 in the U.S. with some level of interest in rare soul music, plus those that don't live in these cities. The number could well be over 10,000 so maybe not such small scenes after all. Been round the homes of a fair few collectors of rare soul in the U.S. many of these guys have collections that would dwarf those of the most ardent collectors in the UK and these guys really know there stuff.

As many have said, these are records that are collected on other black music/soul scenes. Funk. boogie, dirty disco, lowrider etc. Many of these scenes have been round for years and many of these tunes have been popular for many years on them. 'Small handful in the know' not really, been to many clubs around the world where there are 200/300 people on the floor that know these records well and dancin' to them. But they aren't traditional northern records so made little impact over here. But these guys come on here to sell because the site is called 'Soul-Source' not 'Northern Soul-Source' in the belief that it is populated by people that generally like soul. Example, The Lowrider Scene has been around in the U.S. for many years. with many collectors, radioshows, re-issue LP's/CD's. Recently, Superbs - Wind in my sales pops up over here as a 'new discovery', only a handful of know copies etc. Turns out that many of the lowrider collectors have had copies for years. French boogie scene, again has been around since the 90's, was selling stuff to them back then. Again in recent years La Cop - Law and Order has taken off over here. Most of these guys had copies in the late 80's, early 90's. Many of these records are super soulful, but the beat is one that the traditional northern scene has little interest in, but to others it's great and been indemand for many years. Some collectors, DJ's over here have been in touch with these guys for over 20 years buying and selling, each way. Butch has got many of the rare records he now plays in his sets from guys on the lowrider scene in the U.S. or Japanese deep soul collectors, they had the record for the other side. Lastly many of these records are rare, the UK northern soul scene did do a great job of finding many records all over the U.S. So the stuff these guys have been digging up is real hard to find small local label releases that were pressed in small quantities and are rare.

Back to the original question. Yes it was a Detroit recording. McKinley was only 16/17ish when he did this, someone had heard him working on a Motown session and said 'The boys got Rhythm, get him to do the arrangements'. Mckinley tells me that this was the first thing he arranged on. Not long after this he worked with Tony Clark on the Buddy Smith & Tokays 45's.

I remember when he did Cleethorpes, he had such a powerful voice that he started singing as he walked on stage and the mic picked it up clear as a bell, truly amazing to see and hear

His full name is Franklin Delano Murphy aka Frank Dell aka Big Frank aka Big Frank Murphy Nice bio on this site https://badcatrecords.com/BadCat/DELLfrank.htm

What they said !!!!!!!!

Thanks to everyone for their support, do it all again next week

Hope some of you can join me 2nite

Very true Jerry every morning for the last few weeks. Gonna give both a spin 2nite on my show on GFM https://www.gloucesterfm.com/ between 7-9pm, love both sides.........

Rare I know, must be this nagging toothache I have..............

I'll do better, I'll speak to Richard in the next few days.

There you, show I'm getting old, think your right there