Dave Thorley

GEORGE PERKINS - I'M SO GLAD YOU'RE MINE - ROYAL SHIELD £35 +p&p (MINT)......... Slice of crossover heaven from Baton Rouge Laryy Nevilles - This time it's real - Laray £25 +P&P (Mint) Classic 70's midtempo modern dancer https://youtu.be/DEDKl5yz06g Leggs - Believe in youself - Jeree £25 +P&P (Mint) Cool 70's modern soul dancer from this great PA label https://youtu.be/xeR5fNxhfFU Robert Brown - Foxy Love - Marshal £25 +P&P (Mint) Hard to find Atlanta 70's funky dancer https://youtu.be/Mu2Yo_CXIRM Occasions - There's no you - Big Jim £25 +P&P (mint) Classic 60's group Stafford dancer https://youtu.be/SUlGszr2VSo Mystic five - Girl's get out of the way and a woman in - Leo £50 +P&P (Mint) Killa group sista funk dancer, uptempo bongo drive winner, Rare first label https://youtu.be/pr85faEg7Uw Al Kent - The way you've been acting lately - Ric tic £25 +P&P (Mint-) One of the great Detroit 60's dancers. All the powers of Detroit brought to bear in one record. The beat, strings, backing singers, cool https://youtu.be/kxJIPaou1wk Andre Williams - You got it and I want it - Ric Tic £20 +P&P (Mint) Same backing as the supa rare Fabulous Apollos, drivin' 60's Detroit dancer https://youtu.be/j3ABfn2o1_4

Not being personnel and not posting anything you haven't seen via PM Pete S, on 15 Aug 2013 - 3:53 PM, said: Are you going to let Manship and Brady know that they've got it all wrong and in fact they are mistreating their customers, no of course you're not, cos you think you can say it to me but you won't repeat the same thing to other people, so excuse me if I don't give your posts a 'like'. Not only that the but the topic says 'soul source gradings not working for ME', it was my opinion and whatever anyone else says, it's still my opinion. As always Pete either misread me or deliberately misqouted me. Dave Thorley, on 15 Aug 2013 - 3:27 PM, said: Very true Pete, ie JM. Biggest record selling site in the world Ebay, mainly doesn't.. Neither of which means that system is right. It's a case of what your used to and happy with.................. I said clearly that neither system was right. So not saying John, Pat, old mother hubbard was wrong.............So no need to tell them anything. Neither did I said you were mistreating your customers................. Dave Thorley, on 15 Aug 2013 - 3:37 PM, said: I'm sure the buyers round the world that buy from you and I know a fair few that do, would love that attitude. You post on Facebook witch is an international site, you don't care what they think or want to help them buy from you ??? Just that you seem to have a strange British is always right, who cares about anyone else attitude, when you sell internationally. Nowhere does it say you or anyone else mistreats customers.

Pete you open the topic and asked for opions, but as always when you don't like the responses or don't get enough applause, you get nasty. Have a nice day

I'm sure the buyers round the world that buy from you and I know a fair few that do, would love that attitude. You post on Facebook witch is an international site, you don't care what they think or want to help them buy from you ???

I would argue that instead of trying to squeeze another high end grading level in, just regrade more at lower levels. Which is what more international sellers have been doing over the last few years. That way each level is more distinct and not a fag paper thin varient of another grade

Very true Pete, ie JM. Biggest record selling site in the world Ebay, mainly doesn't.. Neither of which means that system is right. It's a case of what your used to and happy with..................

Pete reading back through the post and seeing Chalky's reply, no many people see VG+ or even VG on many U.S. Ebay gradings and think 'very good palyable record'. It's always been a subjective topic. Like Chalky I've purchased 100's of 45's from the goldmine, now Ebay at VG or VG+ and they have arrived with no sound quality lose and have been alround great records. So I see VG+ and M- as great records, if the're not I ask for a refund. This topic seems to be about fag paper thin differences. As I've already said you could have 10 levels 100 levels and still some wouldn't be happy.

Pete, these gradings give 7 levels of grading if you can't find something in there and need more then fine add as many as you like. Mint (M) Absolutely perfect in every way. Certainly never been played, possibly even still sealed.(More on still sealed under "Other Considerations"). Should be used sparingly as a grade, If at all. Near Mint (NM or M-) A nearly perfect record. Many dealers won't give a grade higher than this implying (perhaps correctly)that no record is ever truly perfect. The record should show no obvious signs of wear. A 45 RPM or EP sleeve should have no more than the most minor defects, such as almost invisible ring wear or other signs of slight handling. An LP cover should have no creases, folds, seam splits or other noticeable similar defects. No cut-out holes, either. And of course, the same should be true of any other inserts, such as posters, lyric sleeves and the like. Basically, an LP in near mint condition looks as if you just got it home from a new record store and removed the shrink wrap. Near Mint is the highest price listed in all Goldmine price guides. Anything that exceeds this grade, in the opinion of both buyer and seller, is worth significantly more than the highest Goldmine book value. Very Good Plus (VG+) Generally worth 50 percent of the Near Mint value. A Very Good Plus record will show some signs that it was played and otherwise handled by a previous owner who took good care of it. Record surfaces may show some signs of wear and may have slight scuffs or very light scratches that don't affect one's listening experiences. Slight warps that do not affect the sound are "OK". The label may have some ring wear or discoloration, but it should be barely noticeable. The center hole will not have been misshapen by repeated play. Picture sleeves and LP inner sleeves will have some slight wear, lightly turned up corners, or a slight seam split. An LP cover may have slight signs of wear also and may be marred by a cut-out hole, indentation or corner indicating it was taken out of print and sold at a discount. In general, if not for a couple things wrong with it, this would be Near Mint. All but the most mint-crazy collectors will find a Very Good Plus record highly acceptable. Very Good (VG) Generally worth 25 percent of Near Mint value. Many of the defects found in a VG+ record will be more pronounced in a VG disc. Surface noise will be evident upon playing, especially in soft passages and during a song's intro and fade, but will not overpower the music otherwise. Groove wear will start to be noticeable, as with light scratches (deep enough to feel with a fingernail) that will affect the sound. Labels may be marred by writing, or have tape or stickers (or their residue) attached. The same will be true of picture sleeves or LP covers. However, it will not have all of these problems at the same time, only two or three of them. Goldmine price guides with more than one price will list Very Good as the lowest price. This, not the Near Mint price, should be your guide when determining how much a record is worth, as that is the price a dealer will normally pay you for a Near Mint record. Good (G), Good Plus (G+) Generally worth 10-15 percent of the Near Mint value. Good does not mean Bad! A record in Good or Good Plus condition can be put onto a turntable and will play through without skipping. But it will have significant surface noise and scratches and visible groove wear (on a styrene record, the groove will be starting to turn white). A cover or sleeve will have seam splits, especially at the bottom or on the spine. Tape, writing, ring wear or other defects will start to overwhelm the object. It is a common item, you'll probably find another copy in better shape eventually. Pass it up. But, if it's something you have been seeking for years, and the price is right, get it...but keep looking to upgrade.

As always Pete I'll concede to your greater knowledge of UK mags. I've always purchased the greater number of my records from the U.S. and now days sell 60% of my records outside the UK. These gradings seem to be used more commonly internationally and as such are better for me and my customers to use.

What is the Soul Source grading system ??? I use the old american/ goldmine system. As this is the system I grew up with in the 70's. All these other additions of EX etc appeared in the 80's and to me have just added confusion M, M-, VG+, VG, VG-, G+, G So that gives you 7 levels of grading, how many do you need ???

On air now for the 'Crossing the tracks' show on GFM, join in and chat on my page here on Facebook

Been pulling stuff for 2nite, gonna pop in the bag a few more un-released things, including tracks by Bill Spoon, New York City Walkers, and the original full lenght version of Charles Drain - Is this really love

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Now on the station site for listen again. Ignore the July ones, there weren't my show https://listen-again.gloucesterfm.com/index.php?cat=Crossing%20The%20Tracks

Great show Greg, Ruben has some awesome 45's, played with him in Chicago earlier this year and he's a nice chap. Hope to see you soon

No that was the Jesse Henderson version on a Land Of Hits 12"

Hope you enjoyed it Peter

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-------------------Crossing The Tracks Radio Show 2Nite------------------ Back on GFM radio every tuesday this month, 7pm-9pm. Usual mix of rare soul, funk and a pinch of gospel. Hope you can join us, gonna be here on my facebook page as well as we go through the show. https://www.gloucesterfm.com/

From memory, there are styrene Demo's and Issues, but it also came out on vinyl press which is harder, I think. Not much help I know.

Plus a couple more Moody Scott - My Lovely lady - Straight Ahead £80 +P&P (Mint).... Oh so soulful 70's modern soul classic Johnny Scott - Let me be a winner - Portra £30 +P&P (Mint) Cool modern soul winner from Memphis https://youtu.be/NwyNeHTqGWM

Vernon Steve Weakley -Is it love or is it lust - V.S.W. £25 +P&P (Mint) Civil rights leader, producer, writer and singer. The man behind Freedom's 'High On You'. Steve delivers a crossover gem. Vicki Williams - Do I make myself clear - Morgan Park £160 +P&P (Mint) Oh so rare first label for this Mississippi crossover gem https://youtu.be/81EwnWirKus Tommy Tate - If I gave you my heart / What gives you the right- Sundance £20 +P&P (Mint) Oh so pretty midtempo 70's winner, flip is equally as good, two for the price of one !!!!!!!!!!! https://youtu.be/ZUbOoMbPB3s https://youtu.be/FYKBjKZ-UXw Trade Martin - She put the hurt on me - Stallion £250 +P&P (Mint) Thumpin 60's big production dancer, rare original https://youtu.be/Su1J3BWIFN0

Plus a couple more Blade Family - My babys gone - King James £25 +P&P (Mint-) Oh so soulful 70's female group crossover outta Chicago https://youtu.be/RITa2MYfRH4 Eddie Bishop - Call me - ABC £175 +P&P (Mint-) Much rarer issue copy of this classic 60's instrumental https://youtu.be/us-IBwLCyoE Richard Brown - Sweet & Kind / Don't listen to the grapevine - Steeltown £45 +P&P (Stone Mint) Popular tune again, with the bonus of the equally good flip, killa 60's , soulful dancers https://youtu.be/qj1AKK_rvQo https://youtu.be/KLn8Xa-jgyw

Continental 4 - The way I love you - Jay Walking £25 +P&P (Mint) One of the best soulful crossover tunes on the label, 'A CLASSIC' Al Kent - The way you've been acting lately - Ric tic £25 +P&P (Mint-) One of the great Detroit 60's dancers. All the powers of Detroit brought to bear in one record. The beat, strings, backing singers, cool https://youtu.be/kxJIPaou1wk Kinky Foxx - So different - Sound Of New York £60 +P&P (Mint) Rare demo of this modern soul classic https://youtu.be/8ZUBsaM5teU Jones Brothers - Without your love - Seel £65 +P&P (Mint-) Rarer fist label for this slice of crossover heaven https://youtu.be/YTdpzuMZsOA Lee Shot Williams - It ain't me no more - MT £25 +P&P (Mint) Indemand rarer modern soul version with horns https://youtu.be/BTZagr26ufE Willie White - Love at 1st sight / Can't do without you - Mie Terra £25 +P&P (mint) Stunning Chicago modern soul 2 sider, real hard to find