Dave Thorley

I have several acetates with versions 1&2 and you can hear them messing around with the speed of the recording

How do you know your listening to the real deal on the record ? Was chatting to Tom Moulton recently and he was telling me the story of 'hold back the night'. When he was given the master tape to mix, he felt it was way to fast, so he slowed it right down, thats why the bass vocal is so deep. So somewhere there is a master tape with a much faster version, as it was recorded at the time. Also it's well know that Berry Gordy, would often ask for tracks to be slowed down in the final mix, so many producers would record at a faster tempo, expecting this to happen.

I totally agree, but as I said at the beginning of this thread. My comments are related to stuff I have purchased from old record stores, distributors, jukebox operators etc, where I know that apart from the dusts of time they are as new. Yes it looks like I need to go down the road of the VP machine. Although there is still a strange thrill for me to find records with that thin film of dust, that says, old, original pressing, new been played. I feel an almost religious feeling coming on.

If you have records, that are store stock or warehouse new, that have never seen the light of day. Should you clean them before selling. Most records like this will have aquired a film of dust over the years. I tend not to clean them, but send them out as is, for the new owner to clean in his own desired way. The danger with cleaning is that you might slighty discolour the label or even use a slighty firm cloth and leave tiny surface marks on the vinyl. When ever I remember I state that to the client. So I sent one out like this the other day and the buyer sent it back saying it wasn't mint as stated. Anyone have a view on this. Dave

There was a long thread about this, about six months ago, but can't find it at the moment, anyone else able to find it????. Dave

Morning Bobo Agree it does, which is a mixed blessing, material from them (HDH) at this time seems to be very mixed. From what I know from Detroit guys there wasn't always the attention to detail as there was when they were at Motown. Sometimes sessions were more about getting things out just to meet their commitments with the different deals that they had. Still this does sound like a finished track and I like, as you maybe able to tell. Dave

Hi Lars I would have thought it is 74/75 recording. Dave

I have a nagging feeling that Sue Booth (then), of Stroud, Glos, won it earlier on say 76. But my memory isn't what it was. Sue was latter married to Ronnie from Blackwood, South Wales. But the anniversary wasn't the only time there were dance comps, so that is why we may all come up with more names than years it was open.

So he is, how silly of me.

As far as I know, both tracks only came out on CD, and as luck would have it I can't find the Cd's at the mo.

Good question Paul, I got a copy as i helped with an artical and some photo's. Looking at the web site, it looks like the book is out in three days time, the CD to go with the book is already out I think. Here's a link to the site https://www.groovesvi....com/home.shtml

That's the one Ritchie Who if memory serves me right were also South Suburban Electric Strings

Something like South Suburban Rhythm Section - Libras do it????

Forgot to say, order your copy today, it's a must for soul lovers.

I recieved my copy a couple of days ago. I've been dipping in and out of it constantly for the last few days. I intend sitting down and reading it cover to cover starting today. It is so well put together, Keith has taken a nice wholistic view, not just talking about the artists and records, but looking at the early jazz days, clubs, DJ's and even the record shops of the city. It starts with a view of what made the city a music town and the UK's fasination with it. The book goes through the changes that molded the city, including covering the Roits, that had such a prefound affect on Detroit. The book has been so well researched, with contributions from collecters and other experts from round the world as well as from the music business there. Inside you will find lots of great photo, many of them new to the public. The covers even have on the inside a reproduction of the city map as it would have been in the sixties (before it was carved up buy I 75 and I 696 highways). There is so much information in here (all has been cross check and validated by many sources) that it is hard to take it all in, in one read. Also what amazed me was that he managed to get Tom Creeden (The south London postman) involved, the man with the greatest Detroit collection anywhere. I only have one criticism, and that is that it would have been nice to see a little more about the backroom boys, studio owners, sound engineers etc, who in Detroit were so much part of the story as well. Lastly the book near the end, has listings of artists and labels, that are the most extensive I have ever seen for city. This maybe a bold statement but if someone else is thinking of writing a book looking at an element of soul music in the future, read this first. Dave

I'm like a child with a new toy, just fired up the 100k rig and played it, boy, oh boy it's good. the sound file doesn't do it justice, sorry to be so gushing.

Oh, right more digging required!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, nice tune though been playing over and over this morning, not sure where I got it from, other than in Detroit somewhere.

Hi Guys going through some acetates today and found one by The Smith Connection - Come out of your act Wondered if this was on the LP, as I can't find mine. Nice uptempo dancer, will add sound file Thanks Dave

This is one of those american song book type of tunes, a standard that has been covered by so many, first composed in the 1930's in spanish, then english lyrics written a few years later. originally 'What a difference a day made' Big tune for Dinah Washington in the 50's on both the R&B charts and Pop chart in the U.S. Their have been lts of both pop and R&B versions Here's a few R&B ones Arethea Franklin Diana Ross Deborah Cox Bobby Bland Dave

So was I, so I took the bed option....

Thank you so much

Get yourself off to bed, your thinking to hard. Dave

I've relayed this story enough times, when i met George Brown (Soul brothers Inc - Pyramid), he saw success in terms of them recording a great song, that eventually people somewhere, it just happen to be in europe, appreciated. Local commercial success would have been nice, but he is proud and happy that they made a great record and it's popularity here is the success. Dave

It's hard to find one that does understand, it took me three marriages