Dave Thorley

Unless it the scans, but the red label colour is also different

I had heard the story from a good friend in New York that knows Paul. He contacted me and told me to be careful, not to pay lots of money for one. I originally asked the question in the most polite way possible, as I did not want to scream scam with out fully knowing and seeing proof. What has worried me more is that I had also heard that several people, and a couple of them well know in the UK had been trying to pass these off as first pressings. I'm sure if asked they would fall back on the old 'I didn't know' or 'They looked real to me'. But as has been stated here it is well documented that Paul has said over nearly 20 years that he has no copies, so if he starts selling them, it has to be strange. Over the years many people have done second pressings using the original stampers or just managed to get identical second prssings made, as pointed out by John Manship in another thread currently running on here. Does Paul fully understand what he is doing, hard to say. But just about everyone involved in passing them on in the UK as originals, should understand the morals or do and have chosen to ignore them. As I said, I started this thread in as polite away as possible to try and stop mis-selling. As always you pays your money and takes your choice, but better to have the knowledge to do so availble. Dave

No thats not it, but thanks mate Dave

Could have been, so what happened to it after that Dave

A mate in New York who sort of knows Paul Kyser, but it was all a bit patchy, he said he thought some of them had come to th UK Dave

In the last two or three years of Wigan, Richard has an acetate, by the L.B.J's or it could have been El Bee Jays. Does anyone know where it ended up. Dave

I guess the answer is no then, I've heard it's a fantastic reproduction of the original that Paul Kyser has done.

I think so, but it's ten years since I had them. Found them, about 10 copies in the back of Famous Coachmans record store in Detroit, along with lots of Beloyd issues. Dave

I've had more issues than demo's

That just about sums it up, you the man mate. Heres a promise, you get out there pushing it again and I'll equally stop being lazy and start getting down more again. Dave

Hi Seb That Volumes is nice:thumbsup: Dave

Cheers guys Interesting reading Dave

Anyone got a scan of the recent Robbie Lawson-Burning Sensation re-press. Thanks Dave

Has anyone got a full discography for the Guiness label. Just the original U.S. releases, not the Jap re-issues Thanks Dave

Hi Guys www.topdogrecords.co.uk Here is a bunch of nice new arrivals including Luckey Davis, Chaumonts, Tate, Alvarez, Sssence and the stunning a hard to find LP with Epicenter - Hang up the phone. Plus some tunes still left from last mega list see below. 1. Louis Curry - Captivated / You're sweeter than a cup of coffe - MS* (Rare stone mint white demo) 2. Nina Simone - Either way I lose / Break down and let it all out - Philips (Hard to find english copy) 3. Trade Martin - She put the hurt on me / Son of a millinaire - Stallion (Original copy!!!!) 4. Capreez - How to make a sad man glad / It's good to be home again - Sound (Detroit blued soul at it's best) 9. Will Collons & Will Power - Anything I can do / same - Bareback* (Issue and Italian copies every where, but a demo, very rare) 11. Reo Lane - Give me your love / I need you - Bren (The elusive modern soul masterpiece) 12.Glena McLeod - No strange to love / Instrumental - Hgei (Original, signed by Glenda, one of just a few, but signed!!!!) 13. Accents - Who you gonna love / You better think again - One -derful (2 of Chicago's greatest group soul sides) 14. John Simeone - Who do you love / Forever - TNT (Massive at Stafford, now rediscovered modern soul, rare!!!) 15. Mind & Matter - I'm under your spell / Lady Sunshine - M&M (Hard to find a better modern soul 2 sider) 16. Gene Barber & Cavaliers - I need a love / I dig you baby - HIT (Big tune at Stafford, killer 60's version of Curtis Mayfield tune) 17. Fabulous Apollos - Determination / The one alone - Valtone (Detroit 2 sided 60's heaven) 20. Jock Mitchell - Not a chance in a million / I got to know - Impact (Heart rendering Detroit) 21. Ad-Lips - New York in the dark / Human - A.G.P (Nice original of this cool group harmony winner) 22. Four Voices - We live in the ghetto / Summer love - Voice (Either side, Detroit at it's best) 23. Imperial Wonders - You live only once - Solid Foundation (Classic 70's Cleveland) 25. Jerri Jackson - I can almost believe / Let me try - Paralax (Hard to find Stafford, crossover favourite) 27. Q - That's the way / Stop this feeling - Hound (James Lewis & The Case of Tyme, what a great cover up) 28. Ronnie Forte - That was whiskey talking / Nervous breakdown - Tarx New York 60's uptempo 2 sided favourite) 29.Embers - Watch out girl / Far away places - MGM (Hard to find issue) 30.Liberation - Love looks good on you / In the city - S.O.A. (Atlanta group harmony, modern soul stunner) Thanks for looking, have a great bank holiday. Dave & Malayka

Used to be silly money, but now £250-£300, condition, issue/demo and all that. Dave

Hi Nick Yes it a nice version on Riley's, think it's in Refosoul, if not will post it later. Dave

Hi Ted There is also an issue up for sale on Ebay. Listen closely to the two sound files and there are some slight tempo changes in there as well as where they have position the brass and piano in the mix. I know I have the test pressing, but I do think the this is the better version. Pays you money and takes your choice. Dave

The others are legal second pressings, they have a slight bevel edge to them and on many the label logo is slightly off the edge of the label. The original have a flat edge finish and the logo is centered on the label. Also there is a slight different in the paper used for the label. Dave

Deal done Cheers Dave

Dear all, www.topdogrecords.co.uk One of the best site updates in a while, all have sound files on the site, many here not to be missed, enjoy. Also have some great, rare LP's just gone up, but you'll probably not be interested in those!!! 1. Louis Curry - Captivated / You're sweeter than a cup of coffe - MS* (Rare stone mint white demo) 2. Nina Simone - Either way I lose / Break down and let it all out - Philips (Hard to find english copy) 3. Trade Martin - She put the hurt on me / Son of a millinaire - Stallion (Original copy!!!!) 4. Capreez - How to make a sad man glad / It's good to be home again - Sound (Detroit blued soul at it's best) 5. Sammy Campbell - I never though / SOS for love - Quen City (Hear the haunting sound of the De-Larks on this great disc) 6. Crown Four - Birth of a playboy / Decription of my girl -Abtone (Oh so rare original studio disc of this killer 2 sider) 7. Ray Pollard - Soulmate / I am now - Omnipotent (His last recording, stunning early 70's crossover, Oh so rare) 8. George Jackson - Blinkity Blink / There goes my pride - DOT (Only a handful of this great 60's dancer have ever turned up) 9. Will Collons & Will Power - Anything I can do / same - Bareback* (Issue and Italian copies every where, but a demo, very rare) 10. Anderson Brothers - I can see him loving yuo / same - GSF* (A real one, original copy of this classic 70's floater) 11. Reo Lane - Give me your love / I need you - Bren (The elusive modern soul masterpiece) 12.Glena McLeod - No strange to love / Instrumental - Hgei (Original, signed by Glenda, one of just a few, but signed!!!!) 13. Accents - Who you gonna love / You better think again - One -derful (2 of Chicago's greatest group soul sides) 14. John Simeone - Who do you love / Forever - TNT (Massive at Stafford, now rediscovered modern soul, rare!!!) 15. Mind & Matter - I'm under your spell / Lady Sunshine - M&M (Hard to find a better modern soul 2 sider) 16. Gene Barber & Cavaliers - I need a love / I dig you baby - HIT (Big tune at Stafford, killer 60's version of Curtis Mayfield tune) 17. Fabulous Apollos - Determination / The one alone - Valtone (Detroit 2 sided 60's heaven) 18. Fabulous Moonlighters - For Granted / I've los again - Blue Eagle (As funky as you like, great group dancer) 19. Matt Brown - Thank you baby / Sweet thing - Jarval (Don't forgat the flip side on this crossover stunner) 20. Jock Mitchell - Not a chance in a million / I got to know - Impact (Heart rendering Detroit) 21. Ad-Lips - New York in the dark / Human - A.G.P (Nice original of this cool group harmony winner) 22. Four Voices - We live in the ghetto / Summer love - Voice (Either side, Detroit at it's best) 23. Imperial Wonders - You live only once - Solid Foundation (Classic 70's Cleveland) 24. Innersection - Let me love you / I'm in debt to you - Group 5 (It's a list of great two siders, 70's modern soul magic) 25. Jerri Jackson - I can almost believe / Let me try - Paralax (Hard to find Stafford, crossover favourite) 26. Marshall, Donovan & Broomfield - Since I found my baby / Let me down easy - Augusta The a side is a killer, but don't forget the great flip) 27. Q - That's the way / Stop this feeling - Hound (James Lewis & The Case of Tyme, what a great cover up) 28. Ronnie Forte - That was whiskey talking / Nervous breakdown - Tarx New York 60's uptempo 2 sided favourite) 29.Embers - Watch out girl / Far away places - MGM (Hard to find issue) 30.Liberation - Love looks good on you / In the city - S.O.A. (Atlanta group harmony, modern soul stunner) 31. Silky Hargraves - Keep on loving me / Youre so good - Dearborn (Ed Capland at their best) Plus a shed load more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Happy hunting. Thanks for looking Dave & Malayka

I know i'm a bit slow today. so if Tim was selling these back in the 90's at £50 (Issue) and £150 (Test Pressing), is this gonna sell at three times the issue:ph34r:

So reading that thread, there is one less now in circulation.

Yes, same as the one Brad has for sale. Dave

I had the one that was on Ebay a few years back, the scan Chalks put up is the one I have, I have also seen a blank label one as well. Like all test pressing you could have 1-100+ copies depending on the size of the pressing run. But as this was only ever pressed in small numbers the corresponding number of test pressings is gonna be small, say 5 copies at most. It is slightly different, mainly in the mix, rather than a different version. Alround a very sharp, bright pressing and sounds awesome over a big system. I'd say it a rare pressing of a very good Detroit record and I wouldn't part with mine, but maybe it's a bit of a specialty item for many, when they can have an issue for much less. Dave