Cud I just add to the debate , as a 15-16 year old just starting out , ace cannon and saxi Russell were the sounds that blew me away back then and although they havnt got the same affect I still like em , and to add fuel to the fire I went to a soul night last sat and they played the flasher , now then that is shite , always was and will be or is it just personal taste and getting grumpy as we get older , ?, ha ,