Frankie Crocker

Needs unscrambling...

Did anyone take note of Tim's guide? I bought the first two, but they were so inferior to Manship's guides, I hardly ever opened them. Sure, the Masqueraders cost less a decade or two ago, but didn't all records. The astonishing thing is that the top-end sounds are now going for near geometric progression prices. Can't even remember what I paid for mine at Keele in the 1990's, maybe £100, but it was the first time I had a sales- box specimen in my hands and it was going home with me regardless of the price. Al Williams had WOL which would have deterred bidders. What a time this is to be seeing two La Beat records of such calibre up for sale in the same list.

Manship edition 3 valued 'How' at £1,000 in 2004, presumably because that was what it sold for perhaps?

Fire exit through Mr M's... Fire extinguisher, roll on the floor of the gents bogs, or maybe not... The place was full of smoke all the time anyway but no one bothered. Anyone know the ID of the councillor who burned the place down to speed up planning approval for the Civic Centre extension?

'How' was a thousand pound sound before eBay took over. Prices dropped for a few years as odd copies surfaced. Now everyone wants this great track and supplies have dried up, the price has rocketed again. Expect hot competition for future copies, especially if they're in good shape as many are stained or have ring- wear

There are 8 copies on Popsike alone. For a record that has been around 10 years or so, there must be many more copies that have not been auctioned. At least 20-25 perhaps but that still makes it very rare indeed.

Fair question. Wondered myself. The one that sold yesterday was unplayed but not a familiar seller. I bid on one in February that went for similar big money. Only noticed one other this year. Great record and still want a copy. Has anyone spotted multiple copies from the same source? Well, we are are all waiting and watching now...

I do like stories with happy endings...

Great record. Great write up. It's tales like this that help understand how difficult it was to cut a record, let alone have a hit. Fortunately for us, the Four Perfections sole release on Party Time reached legendary status a long time ago and continues to be one of the best ever.

The first post to which you replied clearly states that a mint copy is required for a friend...I'm trying to save time, mine and others, by pointing out that values of common records can easily be established without posting on Soul Source.

Mint should mean unplayed. A mint stamp is an unused stamp. A used record in apparent perfect condition could be described as Mint minus and many vendors use this grade to describe pristine records. Maybe mint should mean never played and perhaps never even removed from the original sleeve.

I hope you have offered one to the initiator of the thread Tony? Having wasted several peoples' time due to a slip of a decimal point, perhaps you could auction your copy and donate the proceeds to charity? With the availability of Price Guides, Popsike and numerous sales lists, surely the going rate of any well-known record can be established with five minutes research. If in colossal doubt, phone up a major dealer and waste their time also...

The penny drops... £90.00 may be a fairer price but the record is fairly common and played-out so surely there must be copies priced below this?

Sounds a bit steep Tony. Mind you, the way prices are going up, it might be this soon...

No, not really. He is selling junk including a scratched record. He is not a dealer or even a proper record seller to take seriously. It's us who are having a laugh.

Shows how ignorant, intolerant and outspoken some people are. The connoisseur of rare soul understands the situation and appreciates not just the music, but the efforts somebody has gone to to release records that were unreleased in the 60's. OVO is a laudable philosophy but Kent 45's such as the Anniversary singles fall under this banner so are totally acceptable.

Definitely. Freshly unearthed sounds are the cutting edge of the scene. ALL the Anniversary singles are worth playing out but perhaps there is a resistance to spin UK releases that are readily available. Hopefully Kent as a result of your efforts Ady, will continue to issue lost and overlooked tracks, especially those laid down in the 60's.

Russ, you need to go out more often and release that pent-up energy. Now, if we drop the term Northern Soul, what are we gonna put on the flyers that litter the tables of the underground clubs?

I was with you until the words Northern Funk popped up... Are we to now assume this is a new genre as opposed to the funkier Northern tunes that latter day experimentalists have been pulling out of 70's soul packs that they couldn't be bothered to open back then? The odd RnB is fine, the occasional crossover sound too but what about the newies that keep the scene buzzing. Bottom line is it must be soulful dance music, preferably of the hard to find variety.

Better to have too many events than too few. Maybe best to have too few, but committed punters at events rather than too many hand baggers, tourists, voyeurs, media types and kids looking for the latest band-wagon to jump onto. If some of the wannabe DJ's can contribute some good tunes and give folk a good time then it can't be all that bad.

Some current popular tunes here Matt but Butch's playbox contains way more better sounds that have echoed around for 25 plus years. Sure, some half-decent tunes pop up to be spun, but often as a result of their rarity than their musical content. Every era has had its great sounds but the 70's revelations such as the Salvadors, Cecil Washington, Adams Apples, Bobby Paris, Embers, Coasters etc still sound every bit as good 40 years down the road. Every era needs fresh sounds to lift the dancers and the ones you quote are just that in some quarters.

Listen again soul brother. The drumming in this attains perfection, the melody is brilliant and the vocals exceedingly good - pretty awesome for a common, staple tune but one of many upon which the scene thrived in its first decade.

Barry, always travel with a plastic cone-shaped adaptor, readily available from the US, usually in yellow or pinky-red colours but also seen in pale blue. Seen them in stores behind the counter in a bubble-wrap packet. The record slips on and off this type easily. Avoid the black plastic flat-top adaptor as these are prone to jamming. Aluminium adaptors supplied with higher-end turntables are also dodgy. Avoid clip-in centres at all costs as they stress the vinyl/styrene and nick the label. Err, that's all on the subject of adaptors for now until I return to the theme of designing centres for off-centre records...

Does the leading bidder know the US version is easily obtainable? There have been several on eBay in the last year, but not in mint condition, going for reasonable money. Great shame I'm Your Pimp never got a US release on 45rpm. I can remember chatting to Russ in his Wigan store about the possibilities of a double A side release but this sadly never came to pass on UK vinyl although the opportunity must have been there. The Skull Snaps also have another decent release listed in Manship #6 as a DJ copy, but Didn't I Do It To You has turned up a couple of times as a light- brown issue. The Skull Snaps, like some other big late 70's artists, seem to be in demand again recently judging from the competitive bidding.

Rotten bad luck Baz. Maybe you should have played Gonna Get Along Without You Now instead?