Frankie Crocker

As it was March 31st, I've just played the tape and sent the link to my nephew as it's his birthday - might as well start corrupting him sometime. The original tape that Barry got a copy of had several other tracks on (partly or wholly) but these have been edited off the version that Pete's put up. They include: Sapphires - Slow Fizz Jodi Mathis - Don't You Even Care Casualeers - Dance Dance Dance Instigation - I Don't Want To Discuss It Hoagy Lands - Friends And Lovers Don't Go Together Junior Walker - I Ain't Going Nowhere The two unknown tracks are: 100 Proof Aged In Soul - One Mans Leftovers Sam Dees - Soul Sister Two variations to Pete's list are: Olympics did The Same Old Thing Detroit Shakers version of Help Me Find My Way In my original C120 tape, which Pete correctly says was done right next to the speakers, there were odd bits of tracks cut out at the time so the whole song would not be there. One such track was Thunder by Lord Thunder. On the remastered version that I made in 1994 using 45's and LP's, there are 38 different tracks minus the Sam Dees which continues to elude me. I regret taping the Mylestones and Dana Valery so many times now as I could have squeezed in another half dozen other tracks but just had to have these two as they were the biggest tunes that night. Great to see continued interest in the tape and thanks to Pete for putting it up.

The thread has now descended into confusion. What started as a topic on Divvies that is to say outsiders, members of the public, locals, handbaggers etc has now taken a wrong turn to criticise so-called 'plastic soulies' who are actually part of the scene, regardless of age/dress/dance style etc. Anyone who likes the music should be welcome on the scene and if they wear beer towels/wristbands/black-fist necklaces etc then surely it's a sign of commitment with a nod to the '70's.

A brilliantly sublime tune. Clever backing track. Vocal, whilst flawed, is still good - a reminder that not all tunes sound the same, but if you listen hard and with an open mind, you might hear something a bit different. Like a fine wine, it's there to be savoured. Now, when you own a copy, you start to appreciate it a bit more, or even a lot more. My copy has been stamped DJ Copy so that clears up the non-existence of white demos. My copy sits in a hand-customised birth sleeve, 'companified' in an amateurish way with a DIY rubber stamp: there is a Detroit phone number amongst the details to phone for free copies but my feelings have been hurt so badly, a scan will not be featuring in the near future...

A lot of illuminating comments appearing in this thread. Seems to me like the underground Soul Scene as we once knew it has now become much more mainstream with Joe Public descending in larger numbers. This is hardly surprising of course given the great music being played. Recent events also have contributed to this namely the demise of popular chart music and the closure of many nightclubs. So, the proliferation of Soul Nights will obviously appeal to ordinary folk out for a drink, particularly if some wannabe promoter/DJ has taken over the pub/village hall whatever... If there were more Allnighters, this could reduce the apparent non-soulie element but I think this is where some of the next converts will come from so it is good to have a few new faces on the sidelines.

Confusion occurs when folk go looking for a club on a Friday then end up at a Soul Night - three more beers later, Saturday Night Fever takes over and it's hit the dancefloor... Usually takes six Soul Nights, five of which were followed by swaying in front of the bedroom mirror or shuffling on the kitchen floor... On the sixth, emboldened by several pints, a familiar tune by Wilson brothers, Frank or Al, draws twinkletoes onto the floor to begin an unforgettable journey... Happened to us all.

I wonder how many, shall we call them 'voyeurs', (to raise the tone a bit), are so smitten by the music, they see the light and readily convert to real soulie status? Without the occasional tourist/handbagger/idle local unsure of day of week/divvie, where would the next generation of soulies come from?

When Soulies dressed similarly, leather trenchcoat or bomber jacket, brogues or loafers, pleated cords or Oxford bags, bowling shirt or badge covered vest, tartan bag or adidas holdall: it was easy to spot the 'Divvies', locals out for the beer and something to stare at, standing in a circle on the dancefloor thumbs hooked in belt-loops*... How do you spot a 'Div' nowadays? What do they wear and how do they stand out? Should real Soulies wear similar clothes so they don't look like Divs of yesteryear? Am I right in assuming that 'Handbagger' means the same as 'Div'? *Apologies to the lasses for gender bias - could someone fill in the finer details from a female perspective).

Probably seemed a good idea at the time... One can understand someone wanting a singer's autograph but it's the personal dedication that tarnishes the artifact, in this case 'Kenny'. After a short while, the record was sold despite the graffiti that rendered it scarred for life. Now, the autogaph and dedication are part of the record's history - shame really as it was the best surviving copy and known to be iconic. This contrasts to the other records mentioned in this thread that were pressed-up in the low hundreds, signed by artists at the time and scattered around freely.

You must have a heart of stone to do that Billy. ATB

One sold on eBay a couple of hours ago for over £200. Surprised me, but it was mint unplayed.

You are looking at an outlay of well over £1,000. A nice NM copy would fetch £1,500 at auction whilst an EX copy might cost £1,250 in a cash deal. A great record, hugely in demand and very difficult to get hold of. Was pressed up with labels reversed so some copies are OK whilst others are flawed, the latter may be discounted by £100-200 depending on the seller.

Not sure this is the case. Old age changed the Northern Soul scene. As folk grew up, married, committed to family life, dropped out the scene etc, major Allnighter venues withered. The internet has allowed the Northern scene to flourish but in a different guise, with record collectors able to access vinyl without flying to the States. This has enabled younger record collectors, potential DJ's, venue attenders and dancers to join the old timers at a multitude of small venues. To be part of a scene where there is no age prejudice is a marvellous thing. The Northern scene is as progressive as ever catering to a wide range of music tastes and without any one 'figurehead' determining what is played/booted/compiled/marketed - now every individual can be part of the scene and in a way that suits them. Go where you want, wear what you want, listen to what you want - not a bad lifestyle and a scene that still remains more underground than mainstream.

Looks like a slip of the finger... Even with today's prices, £7,555.00 looks a bit steep... Tim will realise there's an error sooner or later.

Tell that to Kenny Burrell and Frank Wilson...

Adopted by the scene so therefore had some merit at the time. Had the requisite elements back in the day so qualified for a spin. Not too bad for a UK label and would have been a nice find 40 years ago. Might not please everyone today but remember, there's no such thing as a bad soul record, some are just better than others.

Is a dab a dollar or a pound? Not that there's much difference these days...

Serve 'em right. If you can't read a map, that's what happens. I blame the chauffers who can't programme SatNavs but why take it out on a ballroom. I thought Apple was a record label - did something happen to change this?

Shame on the London Ritz. They deserve to lose any legal case as the word is in common usage and has been for decades. That said, the justice system in Britain is corrupt and biased in favour of the greedy rich who can afford it and the even greedier judges, barristers and solicitors who make sure they get stinking-rich on the proceeds. A simple solution would be to rename the ballroom the Triz, generate some anti-hotel publicity and see whether the legal clowns can handle a piss-take response.

Don't think mine skips but will play it next time I stumble across it. Never knew there was a problem with this release so thanks for the heads up. Couple of other of good tracks on the Knight label well worth looking out for.

Big bucks. £500 at least. Copies in the last year or so were hotly competed for.

An interesting take on the subject. However, there is the USA original and then again, the British release. The latter seems to be going through something of a revival. Given the quality and collectability of the Grapevine releases of the 70's, it is not surprising that some are fetching sums not to be sneezed at. Even these, as well as more recent issues of unreleased tracks will command higher values in future.

No. A definite no. A challenge, yes but not a 'confidence trick' which is what a con is. We know what we are doing and have been aware for decades. Once upon a time, we got the goods cheaply. Now the well's gone dry, time's have changed. Dealers have moved with the market, so prices at the high-end have jumped in response to demand. eBay has unearthed attic diggers that flog their treasures for unbelievable sums, but that's business for you. Record collecting is a bi-product of what we like doing which is listening to really good music. Fortunately, the prized records are an asset that may be of some value. Collecting for it's own sake like stamps, di-cast toys, Pokemon cards etc does not enter the equation. Good suggestion for a topic Malc, as we all need a reality check from time to time such is this crazy world we have helped to create.

Such a fantastic read. I too remember the list arriving, dashing to the pay-phone, reserving the latest big tunes at Wigan such as Lou Johnson- Unsatisfied, Detroit Executives- Cool Off and others. Wish I could turn the hands back now and buy a few more obscurities off the lists.

Overpriced and will never sell at that price. Label looks worn and with the stamp, price should be reduced accordingly. Label wear suggests vinyl unlikely to be Mint minus so caution advised. Great record and one that I do not own (yet). Have been watching prices closely and seen this one escalate but there are enough copies of this coming up at auction to bide one's time.

Frank Foster - Harlem Rumble on Triode.