Frankie Crocker
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And also matches the feedback rating of the winning bidder of the Hamilton Movement’s ‘She’s Gone’. Baffled why the buyer went for this copy when there’s a far better one on Manship’s auction. I suspect the mystery buyer will also grab the Manship copy for keeps and put the rough spare in his shop window. I think we were speculating about the same buyer in another thread a few weeks ago but I can’t remember the the record in question.
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I don’t know Steve personally, but I‘ve bought from him. He has had 300 Joseph Websters pressed up at £20 a pop. If the US copyright owner had no original copies of the record, then $5K would clinch the deal, yield a profit, satisfy a suspicious Detroiter and give scope for further leasing deals, say to Kent. Judging from Steve’s other offerings, he surely has a business model on a very even footing. As the UK’s latest new vinyl kid on the block, maybe Steve can post on here what the situation is?
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Thanks for posting. Got to agree with Chalky’s comment earlier. British Invasion sound with no soul... value of $1,500 plucked out of thin air. Looks tempting and one that warrants further investigation, but anyone buying this blind would be sorely disappointed.
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Entirely plausible. Usually the promise of lots of money overcomes hostility. Maybe a patient Detroit dealer will eventually use powers of persuasion and plenty of dollars to salvage the records before they are lost forever.
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I’m wondering if a few have been turned up? Surely more were pressed up than have surfaced so far. Quite a few good finds have come out of Detroit recently including one mint copy of Joseph Webster. Until very recently, the version by Angela Davis was hardly known. Then a whole load turned up in Detroit. Given the link connecting the two versions, it would not surprise me if more copies were to be discovered in the not too distant future.
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One bid withdrawn so the price has fallen. A few novices. Only one private bidder. One major buyer, plainly a dealer/collector. Couple of serious buyers. A couple of jokers just registering an interest to receive bid notifications. All looks normal. The auctioneer is a top outfit so all should run smoothly.
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What a stunning auction. Don’t often see several top rarities like this at once - shame the conditions are variable. As for Joseph Webster, one of the rarest of the rare in a very decent condition - do people have credit card limits that can buy records in this price bracket? I thought it had peaked at 8K when the Detroit copy sold a couple of years ago. I would say it’s a 10K record now, but the millionaires will scrap over this to the death, so who knows what it’ll finish at.
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Well Jimmy, it was a game of two halves. The Set Sale records went for Set Sale prices if you know what I mean. Helen Troy, Jack Montgomery, Ringleaders and Johnny Bragg going for sub-eBay values. The boys with deep pockets plunged in on Frankie Beverley as though it was a very rare record. Not surprised the Inspirations went through the roof as this is seldom seen for sale. Thanks for posting as usual.
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Hi Ian. Most of the records you have listed have been bootlegged or reissued at some stage. If they are not original releases, demand for them will be low. if you go on Popsike, you will see what the original labels look like and the figures realised at auction. You may even find details of matrix etchings in the sales blurb. Manship’s Price Guide #5 has pretty good coverage of bootleg details and label scans. If you have an original Salvadors or Jerry Fuller, they are valuable, but as they were pressed in large numbers compared to the scarce availability of originals, the probability is you will have bootlegs.
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Very sad news. So glad I saw him perform at Cleethorpes and The 100 Club. Great that he lived long enough to experience the affection the scene had for him and his music. An absolute legend with several top sounds to his name. Dean, you will never be forgotten.
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Very true. In any case, my Sweet Things demo and issue plus Drifters demo and issue look very pretty sitting in my record box, so they will never be offered for sale.
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Wotcha Ted. I agree. I also enjoy reading John’s descriptions as they convey a sense of history and acknowledge the contributions of those behind the artists. If John put the auction descriptions in a book, I would happily buy a copy.
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LJ REYNOLDS- Penguin Breakdown on LAW-TON
Frankie Crocker replied to Davlee's topic in Look At Your Box
Pushkings copy sold for £20.66. With a bit of patience, most cheap, common records turn up sooner or later at a bargain price. -
Relax you say... I am frantically digging through the collection trying to find the Sweet Things and the Drifters. If I’m really quick, I could get £1,000 for the pair. Without looking them up, I vaguely recall they’re listed at £100 apiece. James Fountain must have fetched a disappointing sum when compared to the common records that fetched £1,000 plus. That said, it went for the going rate, give or take a bit.
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Thanks for posting as usual. Are you sure these figures are correct? Surely there must be a few errors here? Maybe a comma or decimal point in the wrong place. I’m going to look up the Drifters and Sweet Things in Manship’s Price Guide #7 to see if there are discrepancies...
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LJ REYNOLDS- Penguin Breakdown on LAW-TON
Frankie Crocker replied to Davlee's topic in Look At Your Box
Yes, three bidders and one smart#@*£ at the end. He could have had my spare copy for a tenner. This is a record I’ve stopped picking up in the States as it is widely available and not in demand. The reputable dealer pushkings from Sweden had it on his auction starting at $15.99 a few days ago. Baffles me why some final auction prices finish at the level they do... or is there something I am missing as flagged up by the starter of the thread? -
I wish dealers would apply the Record Collector price/grading-scale to the records I bought... Whenever I’m in the States, just about everything is priced as if it was mint. With the feeding-frenzy auctions we’re currently seeing, the price/grading scale just goes out the window.
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The ten highest Popsike sales figures for Clydie King’s ‘Soft And Gentle Ways’ range from £200 to £254. The most recent sale was in April 2021 for £219. ‘Soft And Gentle Ways’ is her most wanted Imperial release judging from Popsike sales, although a Philips 45 sells for a bit more. The Manship sale price at £313 was therefore 20% above the Popsike peak value and c90% above the recent benchmark. The record should set-sale at £200 for a VG+ copy, £225 for Ex and £250 for M-. The record is regularly auctioned by eBay, but a top dealer like John should sell this at a set-sale price.
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LJ REYNOLDS- Penguin Breakdown on LAW-TON
Frankie Crocker replied to Davlee's topic in Look At Your Box
It’s a £10 record, really common, not in-demand and probably won’t regain the level of popularity it achieved in the 70’s. -
Steve, your frequent contributions on here are testament to how much you love the music.
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Epitome of Sound jumped up £250 beyond the going rate, but such a great tune. Clydie King a set-sale record any day of the week, fetched a set-sale price once commission was deducted. Cashmeres a 2K record nowadays when in good condition like this one, so somebody will be pleased; two top sides for the money.
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One listed on Manship’s website at £150.
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Big tune at The Dome. Sad news. One of the best blue-eyed soulsters ever.
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Thinking of Florida and North Carolina in particular. Jimmy Bo Horne and the carolinasoul Detroit offerings such as the Majjestees, Dusty Wilson, Jimmey Soul Clark, Angela Davis and umpteen others.
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Thanks for posting as usual. Some of the screen-shot values went up a bit further according to John’s website as your updates show. Did the Buster & Eddie creep up further as this was not on John’s list? Some awesome figures here and plenty of PB’s eg Pic & Bill, Yvonne Baker, Johnny Maestro etc but I’m no longer surprised after seeing the eBay winning bids in the last four days.
