Ged Parker

I was emptying dancefloors in and around Blackpool with it after some were calling it a played out tune. Such is the progressive nature of the Fylde coast

Over my snipe anyway.

You missed the one on ebay too then.

All those years ago as John Anderson will no doubt confirm no one knew how rare or how valuable the Four Tracks or the Imperial C's would become. Nowadays almost every soul 45 has a known value and therefore why would Rick (or whoever picks the records for packs) put any of the massive tunes in there? Unless of course despite their 'book value' Tim has loads of copies and has had for years with no takers. There have been a couple of 45's over the £50 mark which were unknown to me and not really 'play out' material but definately keepers for me any way. I wish I'd had the sense to buy a soul bowl pack every pay day back then.

Boot

Six and two threes in my opinion. You could well get five (or more) £20 records in the soul pack but spending it on what you want maybe more important to you.

Get a grip T!

If you think that you must be loopy

No Multiples Mal but subsequent packs will have repeats in obviously. I did 'book value' one pack a few years ago and over a grands worth at book.

Had few - Expect good value but also stuff you've got already. I've never had a real wow like the Soul Bowl packs of years ago. Mind you most of those 'wows' were in hindsight.

I think its a rip off

You may as well add local 45 vs national 45 if you're going to be that presecriptive. Ridiculous distinction IMHO.

Have a music policy for a start. You may say "we will allow DJ to play what they want" but in choosing particular DJs you are setting the policy in my opinion. Last but by no means least never ever ever book a DJ who 'offers' his / her services.

It's also 19 seconds longer too.

Never played the B side yocky! Shocked

Bobby Smith - New Day Dawning A Nation Is Born - A Musical History of the Bahamas.

Tow-away Zone Conveys both a well known soul tune and hint of a 'garage'. It also conveys a need to constantly keep moving forward. A busy active area where no dithering takes place. Action, Activity and Excitement. It also has a ready made visual identity.

Ok I'll trust you on that Pete I just know I remember them in the main room and I didn't start going to Wigan until just before the 4th Anniversary so they are both still post '77 tunes which was more my point.

A valid view Steve but take another massive post '77 tune actually big at the same time as Betty Boo - Rita and Tiarras. That was out there for the returnees to hear on CD. Even those Goldmine 'This is Norther Soul' LP's which had Tommy Navarro, The Admiration and Sam Fletcher on I think will have given some prior exposure to some tracks. Using your logic those tracks (and others like Doug Banks, Howard Guyton etc) would be unfamiliar too but they have all been dancefloor favourites at one time or another favourites since the mass return started in the mid 90's. The difference with Betty Boo is it was never a part of those compilations precisely because the people putting them out couldn't risk it.

I have everything released on Grapevine purchased (or gifted) when they were first released and mostly unplayed. I can understand the interest and value of Betty Boo as its an acetate from the master tape and probably one of the first acetates ever made from the original recording. These are interesting acetates for the fact they were played at Wigan but for no other reason than that in my opinion. They come from way after the official legitimate release of the records, not beforehand like the Betty Boos. They are also dubbed from vinyl rather than master tape I believe. I'm not trying to belittle what you have there D but just trying to draw a distinction between the Betty Boo auction and these from the view of a label completist.

Herein lies the reason its not been played to death by the oldies only crowd IMHO. Not that they'd averse to playing a Grapevine release. However becuase it got its first legitimate release here in the UK it was never bootlegged (as far as I know) either on a 45 or on a dodgy CD posing as a legitiate release therefore it wasn't fodder for every returnee to the scene in the 90's and beyond to get on a CD from HMV and listen to it endlessly in the car. So those that want to hear just the familiar tunes just don't find it that familiar. The other end of the spectrum the OVO crowd somehow baulk at playing something from an essentially reissues label. Perhaps those two reasons are why we never hear it out and about.

If you make things up on here you'll very quickly get found out I think. I've long since lost my notes on this (probably when I left Cape Hill in the mid 90's) but I've 'known' this for years. I wasn't sure I could 'prove' it without my notes to at least remind me who told me. But then internet to the rescue. A BMI Repetoire Search has the following entry: CHITTER CHATTER Alternate Titles:SAY IT ISN T SO BABY BMI Work #208916 Songwriter/Composer Current Affiliation CAE/IPI # HESTER ANTHONY ASCAP 14038230 WYLIE RICHARD WAYNE BMI 33281409 Publishers ALA KING MUSIC BMI 363249 Some urban myths are actually true but you're the king of conspiracy theories so you already know that

Which bit?

Great track back then and still a great track now. It wasn't originally titled 'Say it Isn't So'or even the longer 'Say It Isn't So Baby' though rather it was called 'Chitter Chatter'. I'm not sure if it was John A or Richard that changed the title or indeed if it was changed before they got it. Whoever made that decision got it right for sure. Mind you I think even a song called 'Chitter Chatter' would have made it given its quality. As Ady says the Grapevine release is poorly mastered the 10 inch acetates that we all heard at Wigan we're better quality.

Mary Wells - Me Without You