Chalky
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But Jo is a genuine person and knowledgeable and like I said she can only work with what she has at her disposal. The problem is the older generation cannot and will not represent what they were supposed to be representing, a young athletic, cool dance scene, underground and edgy. -
What makes a mockery of all this is once up on a time, repress was never considered a no no. It was issue, reissue etc. Repress isn't a reissue so should not be an issue at all....no pun intended.
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The scene never comes out of anything like this looking good. Whenever the scene is put on show it just comes across as naff with ageing people who think they can still dance looking frankly silly rather than the athletic dancer they should be dressed in clothes that make them look like some sort of naff act rather than a serious underground cool music scene. I know it hasn't been cool for a long time, its long since been hijacked by divs and wallies wanting their 15 minutes of fame turning the scene into the parody it is, the kind of people we went to nighters to get away from. I know people work hard on these things and I know the organisers can only work with what they are presented with but as usual it turned into one big div fest with the naffest choice of songs. One of the great music scenes of any generation made to look totally naff once more. And to top it off we are now tainted as being some sort of nazi group.
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If Motown legally bought Ric Tic/Golden World/Wingate and the publishing Myto then surely it isn't hard to find the licensee. Enough Rix Tic etc been released on comps and 45 over the years to suggest they do have the rights. It's probably a case like it was years ago with all their unissued stuff, they couldn't be bothered with it. It has always been difficult to license anything Motown.
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Spot on Mark. It seems to be about creating an instant rarity and as soon that happens it is no longer about the music. As you say music is supposed to be for sharing yet lots missing out, genuine buyers too. People buying these 45s not interested in the track, just something to sell on when it fetched three figures. Like you Kim Tibbs, had the download as soon as it came out, same for a few others. I am favouring the download over the 45 in some cases. As for the CD tracks getting a vinyl release, the CD can be had cheaper than the 45 in some cases, madness and do not really see the point.
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I believe its the done thing ton post the odd tune to get your all going, so here's one from the 60s.... and one from the 70s.....
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Motown/UMG never saw any commercial benefit in their unreleased material let alone a company they bought to take out of business they were more interested in milking old hits. It is only in recent years with and especially with the material entering the public domain if they didn't release somehow that they did anything about the material.
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Soul Junction SJ 547 The Entertains "I’ll Answer You With Love" & "Love Will Turn It Around" View full article
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Press Release: The Entertains “I’ll Answer You With Love/Your Love I Give It Up” SJ547 Release Date: Monday June 20TH 2022 The Entertains were a vocal group from Cleveland Ohio whose line up at different times varied between four to five members. Initially signed to Belkin Productions in Cleveland the group were persuaded by Nick Holiday to move to his Pittsburgh Steel Town Records Label. The group had already been working on two songs penned by C-Way Productions Richard Calloway who had strong links with Cleveland through his work with Jesse Fisher and Lester Johnson at Way Out Records. The two songs in question being “Love Will Turn It Around” and Why Couldn’t I Believe Them”, demo cuts of both songs where touted around to several major labels with 20th Century showing some serious interest, but the owner reputedly turned down 20th Century’s advances and instead chose to release the songs on his own Steel Town Label. Recorded at Jerree’s Studio in New Brighton P.A with the musical arrangements being provided by Don Groton, The Entertains 45 received limited local airplay reputedly due in part to Holiday’s refusal to provide a set of Dining Room furniture for an influential local radio promotion man. Greater radio play was eventually received with “Love Will Turn It Around” gaining air time on WANN, Annapolis Maryland’s largest Black radio station, courtesy of Disc-jockey Charles “Hoppy” Adams. For a time, a popular tune throughout Baltimore, Washington and Delaware without breaking out nationally. Wider appreciation of the Entertains 45 would come from foreign shores as copies of the 45 found their way in the UK. The effervescent dance side of the 45 “Love Will Turn It Around” was heavily championed by Legendary DJ Colin Curtis and became a firm favourite with the dancers within the Highland Room of the Blackpool Mecca and subsequent Northern Soul venues of the time. The Entertains line up on the Steel Town sessions where Donald Rice, Howard Rice (the cousin of Donald) Alfred Wilson and Andrew Wright the lead vocalist on all The Entertains songs. During 1978 Richard Calloway held a second recording session on The Entertains again at Jeree’s Studio’s which yielded a further two songs “I’ll Answer You With Love” and “Your Love I Give It Up” which due to lack of finance at the time of their conception remained in the can. These two songs have now been brought to life through Soul Junction’s licensing deal with C-Way Production’s in the format they originally intended for. The A-side of the release is the emotional charge stepper “I’ll Answer You With Love” with the opening monologue parts been performed by Howard Rice. While the B-side “Your Love I Give It Up” is a punchier up-tempo version of Richie Merrett’s earlier C-Way Records recording “I Gave It Up”, the flipside to “You’ll Always Have Yesterday Standing By” (C-way 103). In later life Donald Rice would perform with Lonnie Turner Jr a former member of the Detroit groups The Mighty Lovers (Boo-Ga-Loo and Soulhawk) and Innervision (Private Stock and Ariola America) and his daughter Africa Turner in a vocal combo known as The Ambassadors Of Soul, sadly Donald has now passed. It is believed that the other members of The Entertains are still out there performing solo or as members of other different groups. For further information please contact Soul Junction at: Tel: +44 (0) 121 602 8115 or E-mail: sales@souljunctionrecords.co.uk To buy direct from Soul Junction click https://www.souljunctionrecords.co.uk/SJ547.html -
What is the delta number for the West Coast Frances Nero? Any other deadwax markings?
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I doubt it but they kept it largely within the scene.
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It hasn’t been underground for decades, since the early 90s. People have gradually brought it more and more into the limelight, for financial gain and in doing so have totally missed the whole point of the scene, the reason why we went to nighters, to get away form the div fest and bandwagon jumpers it has become.
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I googled twisted wheel, I am now aware of the shutterstock images. In any search for the Twisted Wheel the image does not show and it looks nothing like the Wheel logo. Bout time they got people involved who know the history. Plenty who are immersed ninth history of the scene.
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I've googled the Twisted Wheel and not once did this symbol come up
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One or two comments, it's trending on twitter and at least two papers are on it.
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I've never hung on to collections of anything. When Lifeline finished I was a bit disillusioned/lost my mojo as they say, off went the 45s or most of them. I began to collect Lps and have probably enjoyed collecting them more than 45s. 45s, generally new releases although I am trying to stick to the unissued with occasional quality reissue of which I could never afford the original. I don't really Dj now, only occasionally so what I buy is for me, no thinking will it work on the floor etc.
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No Lp option?
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I think Kim financed it all herself
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Demo always been tougher in my experience, as you say the issue was pretty plentiful but hardly saw a demo Both demo and issue carry the RCA matrix but I can only find ARP on the issue, the issue with two sides that is
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Is the demo pressed at ARP?
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I think it's at the pressing plant now? Out July I think???
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This weeks show with two special guests, Luci Jones and Jim Beat Route Cessford
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Diggin’ Deep initially pressed 300 for the initial releases but they increased that amount because they were selling out because of demand, top marks to em too. Most aimed at our market are selling out, I’m talking the specialist mainly unreleased stuff, not the swathes of reissues from certain companies. They might not sell out straight away, some might take a few years but they sell. Many get a second wind, Soulutions being one, many Kent releases are indemand a few years down the line. Its quite clear given all the complaints that 300 is for the most cases not enough. North Broad Street last release mentioned with plenty of copies left but everything else has sold out bar one I think with 7 copies left. Most of the previously unreleased stuff is selling out and there aren’t many turkeys released. The cost difference between 300 and 500 presses is not that much. I’ve said before press enough to satisfy demand, stop changing the label colour or vinyl colour with a repress and take the sharks and those exploiting the market off the market.
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£160 for a bootleg? May as well make yer own for pennies.
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Timi Yuro, not even that rate but fetches more than Sy Hightower, a genuine rarity. Just buy the Timi Yuro Lp and save a fortune. SWONS
