Chalky

Have to agree Mark, just don't get the CD thing, old or new releases. As I said above you would be castigated for playing the download of a new release even though its released at the same time as the vinyl...and CD. Format shouldn't matter with new music or indeed unissued music released by the likes of Kent. It deprives the scene and the dancers of some quality music.

I read earlier that Johnny Brantley told John Anderson there was over ten versions, not sure if this was meant to mean takes by one artist or every one with a different artist?

Pretty sure there is a Nate Adams Atlantic acetate of LSTYF as well. Again both Nate and Herman did Yes You Did, all down to Johnny Brantley I guess who had all the different versions of LSTYF. Wonder if the tapes still exist?

Bobby Harden was the one that made me write but there have been others, some with different colour vinyl etc. But it's not one in particular it's the whole way it is going, the exploitation that goes with it and it can all be avoided.

The CD I have here, Rare & Unissued Georgia Soul 1961-1976 - You Are Too Much For The Human Heart, it was produced by Aaron Fuchs, Rod is nowhere to be seen on the disc. Done in NYC on the Soul Tay Shus label.

The Toward Barnes on the Jo Mar label is a bootleg of the LP version by Ohio Players.

If memory serves me correctly John Anderson said at one Cleethorpes he saw the tapes for Sam Williams with loads of different takes on them.

A good read here about the process of how a record is made and just how many 45s one "master disc" will produce. https://www.classic45s.com/why45s/process.html?fbclid=IwAR2MGJ2IaYn2V2NZZ1hN9SkIL9diLU6O7592leYAVaEkUcfqV7VFg_6FAPg

What is the collecting scene coming to when a collector/Dj would rather pay four, five times more for a record because a repress has a different colour label. Sometimes it doesn’t have that yet the stupid OVO brigade would stone a Dj god forbid they play a repress. It would seem many do not understand the process behind vinyl manufacturing and that a repress, which is done from the same masters with no difference in the matrix details in the run out and is still a first issue. It isn’t until a new master is made and a new matrix that it becomes a reissue. A million seller will go through approximately 10 masters, maybe a few more depending on degradation and quality of the stampers. It was once said by Motown that “It’s What’s In The Grooves That Counts” but today that could never be further from the truth. It’s all down to the colour of the label. Imagine how the artist feels when some fool says you cannot play that as it has a different label? I hate the whole OVO (original vinyl only) debate, it’s been done to death a million times and I've no desire to start another topic but the collecting scene is slowly disappearing up its own backside all because some promoters or Djs have an agenda because they have spent £150 on a record and god forbid anyone playing one that costs a tenner. It all seems to be about what you spend to get a booking, not the quality of your set. Cheque book Djs have always been around particular more so in recent years. They get talked about, rightly or wrongly, and this provides a promotional tool for the promoter. Now I am not advocating bootlegs or even the playing of reissues. I am a staunch traditionalist when it comes to the Northern Soul scene. I wholly believe in the playing of original records. However, this is all about recent releases, releases designed to create an instant rarity. Surely the artist is the one who is suffering, Try telling them you cannot play a certain record because it wasn’t done first? Crazy. What happened to providing for your market not a select few 100, again the artist is suffering when more sales can often be achieved. I know the license isn’t as simple as that but the cost difference between 300 and 500 discs is very little with often a handful only needing to be sold to cover the additional costs. I’ve heard storage space being one reason! Surely if you believe in your product and the quality is good enough then surely it will sell and storage space isn’t a problem. Many collectors are missing out on some really good music and it is time the labels addressed this. It would also put a stop to the greedy sellers exploiting the situation and charging a three figure sum for something that should be £20/£30 maximum. Lastly I’m not having a go at anyone in particular nor is this a dig at label owners who I know put in a lot of hard work, if you have been reading forums you will know where this arose and I stress I am not having a dig at anyone, rather a moan about the whole situation. I know many don’t even bother with or even trying to secure new releases because of this, even releases that don’t sell out and it is the label who ultimately suffers. When it begins to come down to the colour of a label or a mark on a label, an apple being used on one recent press, then it is well and truly knackered.

Out of interest and sorry to hijack, Is the repress from different masters? If it is the same then it is a first issue still, may have different labels but still first issue. Strange also how they don't ship abroad, sure I bought my copy from their site?

"The Man I Am"

I was playing the Ohio Players version out for a few years when out regularly Djing and another off the Lp of which I forget the title.

Over here Butch the first I heard play it and I guess all the noise here is because of Mark playing it.

I presume you have already looked but there are half a dozen copies on discogs

It is a rare record and rarely seen. Last couple on Discogs were a couple of years ago, just short of £900 and just short of £1200 but the condition was poor on both.

I don’t think Pete had them pressed. They were done by the owner or a US dealer who got the plates from the owner.

The Sound of Soul 21st April 2022

I’ve sent her a message.

Unless he can give us a source for that info or prove it then I think he has simply assumed like many others

I wasn't sure if it was the movement o=r simply new soul you were interested in

Dave Thorley?

Never had a 45 release has it? Unless in one of the recent box sets

Give us a shout when you get them Mark

Neo, do you mean new soul as in recent soul music?