Chalky

That's the guys

I watched it last night and I still keep asking myself why bother. It does nothing for today's scene except it focuses on the people echoing the words of Dave Withers, "If Wigan closed it would be like instant nostalgia, spending the rest of my life looking back", or words to that effect. That is exactly what those portrayed are doing, looking back, living in the past, living in clothes that were in fashion for just a couple of years, some of the dancing me me cringe, trying to high kicks when they can only get there leg two feet off the floor and not even a straight leg. Some of the moves were nothing to do with the music being played. People can dress how they want but by and large most people wear today's fashions. As for the drugs, after that I doubt anyone will tll their employers where they go on a weekend for fear of being tainted by what was said in the documentary. Bruce Lee, wtf? He was bugger all to do with the dancing. It is plainly obvious and evident the dancing originated in the states and came over with the big band and thejazz dancers. You only have to watch Tommy Hunt and the Flamingos and some of the Jazz dancers, the two brothers whose name escapes me, to see this. Yes some were in to martial arts and mixed it with their dancing, Keb for one but this wasn't where the moves originated. It started well, giving a fairly decent account of the scene in its infancy in huge time allowed but as soon as it came up to date I felt like turning it off.

Isn't John's another take? Here is the listing, sound files still there. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Little-Reuben-aka-Ruben-UNRELEASED-LP-ACETATE-Detroit-psych-funk-deep-soul-HEAR-/271270532063?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item3f28fbd3df&nma=true&si=p%252FWjWLJoOcBXh6BJU9sZVKlVHsc%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

I know this is of no use but there was an unreleased acetate LP went through ebay last week or week before with a different take of this on it.

People aren't milking the above venues for what they can get out of it.

It's all about money and nothing to do with Wigan.

I've been seeing swallows and martins up until last weekend as far apart as Scotland and Norwich. Can't say I've looked this week though.

Oddest looking J ever.... And t'other design....

https://www.carolinasoul.org/north/j.htm

It's irrelevant what they call or think of themselves Win, they are after all promoting an event and taking money on the door. It also has an effect on the scene as a whole, often detrimentally. Some of these part time promoters have to sit back and take alook at what they are doing and what effect they are having on the scene. Often they put a venue on without taking a look what is already happening and in the process splitting an already dwindling crowd. Many of these promoters probably promote because they aren't getting a set elsewhere? This is one of the cases where more isn't always better IMO. We definately aren't spoilt for choice, we just have a plethora of venues with the vast majority offering the same old same, that IMO isn't a choice.

They might not be buying records Pete but I can assure you they haven't left the scene. I wish they would though and it can go back underground and the music will be what is all about first and foremost once again.

The question should be "So many promoters....why?"

The rock and roll scene was all about new releases initially (my dad was a teddy boy and he was buying new releases), as was the rare soul scene to begin with to a certain extent and to some extent throughout it's history. The rock and roll scene that focused on the 50's and 60's soon became what the northern scene has largely become now, retro and more a social scene with little emphasis on the music. By the time Wigan arrived the scene was focused on records 10 years old.

I would imagine he means focusing on records that aren't new releases when he refers to the past, that is how I read it. Those records were of course in many instances new discoveries to those there at the time but still from the past. Other music scenes were concerned with records of the day.

Someone complained on the Hull Soul Night lookback that they wanted Judy Street and Dobie Gray type records as they filled the floor and I said in reply what a sad sorry excuse for a once cool scene the northern soul scene has become.

Butch featuring some great stuff in his sets of late. What new stuff there is mind (and there is some), there isn't the audience, only infrequently, and the retro bunch have no patience whatsoever so there is no chance of breaking the record unless half a dozen or so Dj's get a record. Some records take 5, 10 or even 15 years to break out big, Johnny Praye and Tommy and the Derby's to such examples. The "newies" do not stand a chance on today's backward thinking retro scene. Until the retro scene fizzles away when all those who returned in the 90's etc are too old then the scene doesn't stand a chance, youngsters do not want to be associated with people older than their grandparents in some cases.

Boot.

According to Ady in a previous topic he sold his "Bunky" one to JV. Wasn't there also an acetate by supposedly Ritchie Parker, not very good if I remember rightly, have it on a disc somewhere.

Was on ebay, is this the one Dave? Have seen it on ebay before.

You want the LP or the French(?) EP as they are the studio take. The UK one is the live take.

Whoever it is, Steve Calloway did say it wasn't the Professionals.

They are all rare in the grand scheme of things just some are rarer than others. I agree with Nev for the amount of copies about and what you see for sale on a regular basis it should sell for half what it does. It's a classic though so will always sell.

Why do I need to ask John? I know what John thinks, talked to him about it when he auction it. It is obviously the rarest of the Nolan Chance releases, anyone knows that. Pretty sure the Bunky release was done from the same stampers as the constellation release afterwards for some self promotion, maybe to get a release overseas? I can't find the topic started by guy who found one in Aus.

But it's a reissue isn't it, came after all the others did it not meet its reserve, something like £2400 final price, not the interest in it the seller thought?