Chalky

I know what Northern Soul is, I know what R&B, crossover etc is as well. They certainly aren't sub genres of Northern Soul. They are genres of music that make up a scene called Northern Soul, not a genre of music. Think we'll agree to disagree as we will be arguing black is white all week long.

Can we ask how much for, purely for future reference and guidance?

Ray Agee is a R&B or hard edged soul as some call it record adopted by the Northern Soul Scene. There is no genre of music called Northern Soul. The Northern Scene is an umbrella name for a scene encompassing different genres of music, by and large black R&B and Soul but also pop etc. You might say there is no R&B in Ray Agee but there certainly is no Northern Soul in it because as a musical genre it doesn't exist. It is a record that has a beat and tempo demanded by the dancers and DJ's on a small underground music scene although that has developed into something much wider over the years. The record was recorded by a R&B artist for the black music scene in the area it was recorded and if aimed at any chart it was the R&B Charts. As for Soultown adding Northern qualities, Soultown didn't have a clue about the Uk scene and when this record and many 100's like it at that time was recorded there was no Northern Soul not by that name anyway. It wasn't even recorded for the Uk dance scene but the local black market.

Record dealers

Who is playing it?

The Temptations cannot be improved upon.

Yet both fill the floor more than anything either you or me would prefer? Who is right or wrong?

Bit like northern

I don"t disagree with anything you say Pete. My introduction was through what you describe, the classics, Motown etc. but it evolved to cover just about everything from the 60's to today. Like I said earlier we can argue all day long about the specifics and simply because it doesn't interest you what happened after any separation doesn't mean it should be dismissed as not Northern. The same arguments were being had wit the Wigan Mecca split and today the arguments are no different.

Cheers mate, hope you are well.

Northern isn't a musical genre though. It is a scene made up of different musical genres. R&B is every bit Northern as the Wigan pop & Modern.

Gritty = R&B?

But Northern isn't a genre jet a term for a scene in the UK isn't it? We could argue all day about specifics but to me if it is played at a Northern Venue then it's Northern. No different to pop, soul and other genres of music being played at venues. Leaving aside the Northern thing, what genre would you class Irma?

If you select will ship worldwide I think it shows on the US sites and others round the world.

And here's ten from me..... https://www.mixcloud.com/beatsofmusic/karl-white-straight-from-the-play-box/

Any other clues? What year etc?

But the other three have had massive exposure/plays on the northern scene so that would make all four as northern as anything? Maybe not your traditional northern but northern none the less.

I've a day off and I'm keeping from under the toes of our lass so I recorded a second instalemtnn for Ian Clark in the ever continuing Stafford Story. Some great late Wigan/Yate and Stafford plays. https://www.soulunderground.co.uk/StaffordTOTW/files/fd9cf2754bf676f80bad048b9b77f102-49.html Eddie Jasper Daye’s Four Bars - Lean On Me (When Headaches Get Rough) - Dayco Chuck Holiday - Just Can’t Trust Nobody - Gloria Jimmy Holiday - Shield All Around - KT Premonitions - In Love Together - Jade Eddie Daniels - Is He Better Than Me - Boots Delettes - Look At Me - Blue Rock Barbara Jean & The Lyrics - Why Weren’t You There - Big Hit Entertainers - I’m In Love With You - HMC Charles Sherrell - Things You Do For Love - Muscle Records Glenda McCloud - No Stranger To Love - H.G.E.I. J.P. Robinson - Our Day Is Here - Blue Candle Bobby Rich - There’s A Girl Somewhere For Me - Sambea Montclairs - Wait For Me - Sunburst John & The Weirdest - No Time - Tie Don Varner - Tear Stained Face - Quinvy Chi-Lites - She’s Mine - Blue Rock The Ideals - You Lost I Won - Satellite Bobby Reed - You Are - Claytown/Brunswick Charles Perry - How Can I (Keep From Crying) - Magnum/MGM Lord Luther - My Mistake - Schireck Montclairs - Hey You! Don’t Fight It - Arch Ruby Andrews - Just Loving You - Zodiac Lonnie Russ - Say Girl - Kerwood Ozz & His Spurlings - Can You Qualify - Goldenway Garland Green - Ain’t That Good Enough - Revue Bobby Hutton - Come See What’s Left Of Me - Philips John & The Weirdest - Can’t Get Over These Memories - Tie 49 podcasts now uploaded, well over 50 hours of listening pleasure!!

Wasn't it covered as Over and Over Again or something like?

Earnestine Eady wasn't it on Phil La Of Soul.

Some need to look at the origins of Rock 'n Roll.

Been a while since I recorded a podcast as I've been busy gathering the tracks for more podcasts but anyway here is the latest instalment featuring the records of Ian Clark. https://www.soulunderground.co.uk/StaffordTOTW/files/cba283833c47239f904bd58c905aa944-48.html Norma Jenkins - Airplane Song - Maltese Antiques - Go For Yourself - LaSalle Vondells - Hey Girl You’ve Changed - Airtown Utopias - Girls Are Against Me - Lasalle Excuses - Trick Bag - Vivace Tommy Knight - Don’t Bring Back Memories - Abtone Acetate Eddie Holman - Hold Me In Your Arms - Unissued Acetate Frank Everrett - Spellbound - Big Smokey Great Lakes Orchestra feat. Lou Ragland - This Is The Night For Loving - Great Lakes Recording Inc Prince Philip Mitchell - I’m So Happy - Atlantic Bobby Kline - Say Something Nice To Me - MB Margie & The Formations - Sad Illusion - COED Jimmy Castor - Just You Girl - Smash Virgil Murray’s Tomorrow’s Yesterday - I Still Care - Kool Kat Joanne Courcy - I Got The Power - Twirl Little ann - Lean Lanky Daddy - Unissued Acetate The Professionals - That’s Why I Love You - Groove City Eric Mercury & The Soul Searchers - Lonely Girl - Sac Seven Souls - I Still Love You - Okeh Cashmeres - Showstopper - HEM Argie & The Arketts - You’re The Guy - Ronnie Tony Middleton - Spanish Maiden - Storm/Speed Shadows - My Love Is Gone - USA Kell Osborne - Small Things - New Bag Bobby Wisdom - Handwriting On The Wall - Out A Site Willie Tee - Please Don’t Go - Nola Springers - Nothings Too Good For My Baby - Wale

Whatever. I doubt very much either Butch or Andy, or many others play records because only they have them, they also play them for the love of the music and because they feel and have faith in the music. They wouldn't spend all the hours they do and have down seeking out these records if they didn't "feel" the music. Neither would they be where they are if they didn't have exclusives, and quality exclusives at that. Neither of them are simply about exclusives either, both play cheap records, well they aren't cheap for much longer as the price of many of the cheapies Butch has played haven't stayed cheap for long. P.S. Not good enough maybe the wrong choice of words, maybe should have said not to their taste or fit in with what they believe?

There are half dozen for sale on discogs.

Rob Marriott early 90's.