Chalky

Marvin was 1965, its in the info I posted.

From "DFTMC" web site... Lonely Lover (Brian Holland-Lamont Dozier-Edward Holland Jr) publ. Jobete Four Tops; recorded Hitsville-GW, completed 07-Sep-67 ; produced by Brian Holland, Lamont Dozier 23-Mar-98; CD (M): Debutante 530 814 2 This Is Northern Soul! Volume 2 [uK] 02-May-05; CD (M): Motown 067 024 2 This Is Northern Soul! The Motown Sound Volume 1 [uK] 25-May-05; CD (S): Hip-O Select B0003626-02 Lost Without You: Motown Lost And Found [stereo] Jimmy McFarland; recording details unknown 16-Aug-69; 45 (M): RPR R 108 A Marvin Gaye; recorded Hitsville, completed 29-Jan-65 ; produced by Brian Holland, Lamont Dozier 29-Jan-65 [acetate]; LP (M): Q-HBM-0179-NN1 29-Jan-65 [acetate]; LP (M): Q-HBM-0179-NN1 31-Jan-65 [acetate]; 45 (M): CBMN 0166-NH1 Mar-86; LP (S): Motown 6172 Motown Remembers Marvin Gaye [with overdubs added 1986] 25-Apr-95; CD (M): Motown 530 492 2 The Master 1961-1984

I'd got one of Steve Coogan's characters in my head for some reason.

Pretty sure Elijah said that was done without permission, the only legit ones being the ones he controls or controlled, will have to read through his rants again.

That's the first without the arranger Steve. These were the one's that were said by Cole done for family and friends and not for distribution. The arranger copies are the ones Cole diid and are the only legitimately distributed copies and are therefore the original, the original are boots, Cole's words As far as I am aware these two are the same mix/take.

Just trying to think who Virgil reminds me of...one of the comedians, hair very similar and a mouth full of teeth???????

Great photo, any chance of one without the names? Actually always quite liked the Kool Kat release.

it is.

This one on Cole sold for nearly $300 couple of years ago, matte labels unlike the glossy labels on the reissue according to the blurb and it had the violins and the deadwax read EC-1233 GOT 11-9-77 / EC-1234 GOT 11-9-77

It does have strings/violins in the mix

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this one... or this none......

Didn't JA leave some behind took as many as he could get on one finger or hold in one hand or something along those lines, was a while since he told the story and we'd had a few as well.

Margaret's story by Andy Rix.... https://www.soul-source.co.uk/articles/soul-articles/margaret-little-her-story-r2656

Not sure who uses that symbol, it could simply be something to do with the mastering company and not necessarily something to do with the pressing company?

The RCA code for CAGTM is on the label. P6KM 4783. P= 1963 4= Custom, i.e. Motown in this case. K= 45 M=.Mono The 4783 is the master number.

Found this on t'net..... Depends on the pressing. Some have "Bestway" script on the dead wax, others have a simple "B." And the -BW is on the record label. Given the info we have it is unlikely it is a Bestway Pressing.

Bestway usually have a stamped B followed by number don't they?

Zzzzzzzzzzzz.....here we go with the usually mardy comments you are the one who claimed you knew who was behind it and it was fully legit, we are still waiting for you to substantiate these claims but all you have done is offer a dodgy discogs entry

You've really got no idea have you. A bootleg or counterfeit wouldn't have any other details, they are made to look the same and to deceive. Discogs proves nothing except whoever entered the info has no idea as well. Discogs isn't compiled by the labels or label owners but users of Discogs. If another company had produced this under license then it would say so. You said it was done by RCA yet you can't even back that claim up. There is no RCA matrix or catalogue numbers anywhere on the disc. Come back with some real evidence of this being a legitimate 2nd issue or give up. Like I said before, those who try and justify something like this being legitimate is because they wish to play it out without being accused of playing boots.

Again, for the third time, where is your evidence Marton and RCA were involved? Everything points to a NY dealer getting this pressed up to satisfy demand in the UK. It is a boot as far as everyone else is concerned, only you is saying anything different. I doubt Marton were around in the late 70's?

If this is an RCA pressed reissue, pressed at their west coast plant as suggested then it would have an RCA matrix in the deadwax. what is the matrix of the Orange one?

I'm with Pete in thinking hat podcasts have got lost in this forum. Hardly any discussion at times so maybe a more direct approach via the main forums will improve this?

We haven't seen any definitive evidence the label owners were involved?

Looking at the tape listings, the acetate for Say Say Baby came over in the batch of 60 odd acetates that were sold 89ish.