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Everything posted by Chalky
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Would demos go put to Juke Box service agents? I would have thought they wanted hits, local or national only, who would feed money into a machine if they didn't know the records, people tend to stick with what they know or what was the current rave. After all Juke boxes were big business and those who serviced them would want maximum return.
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So we are saying that the only original press from the 70's is the one without the engineers credit. The one with engineers credit is a 90's press done from same plates which is basically what Cole was saying, you only have to read the posts directed at me. I basically don't disagree with you.. There are collectors, some on this topic who believe the one with the engineers credit is the original 70's press and will no doubt continue to believe that especially if they own one or someone is trying to sell one.
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Doesn't Cole say in one of the links above in one of his replies that he added the arranger details to differentiate the two releases. This one I agree same plates, both originals and which came first is like the chicken and egg argument.
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So both copies, with and without arranger have the backward 3? It woulds appear both came from the original plates then??? If that is the case then there is a third press with the standard "E" going by what is written in guides and discos??? As for what came first it will always be disputed but in the links you will read that Cole said he added the arranger to differentiate from the original 300 that were meant for friends and family only. But as Dave said what Elijah says can be taken with a pinch of salt at times.
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I don't think I've heard any other version other than the god awful 80's release. If I have heard one with added strings I haven't paid enough attention and not realised.
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We don't know for sure if the two acetates differ with the addition of strings without hearing, we are only assuming this is what happened due to the hand written no strings on the acetate of Phil's.
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The first one in your list appears to be the same as Joe's copy, no arranger credit, deadwax info EC 5709 A @ 6 O'Clock, upside down circled BA @ 12 O'Clock position. "‹Now if we can get the info for the other three to confirm............
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I'm waiting for someone to confirm the one with the arrangers credit whether it is an standard "E" or the E that looks like a backward three as in Joe's photo. Looks like the one without the arrangers credit.
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It would appear the deadwax is different with a different font style for the "E" at the beginning of the run out details. One looking more like a backward 3 and the other being an actual "E". The difference we have or rather Joe is his has no arranger details yet the "E" looks like a backward 3.
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Doesn't John have the info for arranger/no arranger the opposite way round to what we have here?
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I have a Deon Jackson "That's What You Do To Me" somewhere. A mate has loads including some for records considered rare nowadays. I also have some templates somewhere if you want to type your own out.
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It's the 80's release though isn't it, flip side to "The. World Is X Rated", one with synthesiser overdubs, totally ruined.
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** Dean Anderson** T.n.t. Soul Show - Radio 7 Pm Tonight
Chalky replied to Premium Stuff's topic in All About the SOUL
Think so but I lost my internet signal briefly and only caught a bit as I got back on line, perils of being on the move I guess. -
Such sad news. R.I.P. Keith.
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I've just read on Discogs that the arranger one is a definite E and not a backward 3 like the one without the arranger.
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Is the E more like a backward 3?
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Hopefully someone will confirm the matrix for the one with the arranger credit but sure they are the same.
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Do you mean the first press without arranger credit? this one.... and this is the one with credit for the arranger....
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** Dean Anderson** T.n.t. Soul Show - Radio 7 Pm Tonight
Chalky replied to Premium Stuff's topic in All About the SOUL
Enjoyed the show Rob and your enthusiasm. What was the first of the three DorÄ— tracks you played? -
Virgil Murray - Kool Kat Release - Found A Photo
Chalky replied to Pete S's topic in All About the SOUL
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The Complete Fame Singles. Vol 1 - 1964-1967 Three words synonymous with Southern Soul are Muscle Shoals and Fame. Florence Alabama Music Enterprises or simply FAME to all its fans, was founded by Rick Hall, Billy Sherrill and Tom Stafford in Florence, Alabama before moving to where it still stands in the small backwater town of Muscle Shoals when Hall split from the others. It went on to record many hits by many R&B, Rock and Pop superstars for many labels as well as it’s own. For the last few years Ace/Kent Records have been delving deep into the archives of FAME to bring some fantastic compilations covering Southern Soul great such as George Jackson, Clarence Carter, Jimmy Hughes and there, many unreleased tracks have also been unearthed and included on the various compilations. Now we have the first installment of The Complete Fame Singles with volume one covering the years 1964-7, both A & B sides are featured, that’s 26 releases, 52 tracks, over two CD’s. Jimmy Hughes kicks of the compilation with the Southern Soul great “Steal Away” and is by far the most prolific during the years covered by this release with no less than eleven 45’s featured. Other favourites of Hughes, especially for UK collectors would be Neighbor, Neighbor and I’m A Man Of Action. Other stand out Hughes tracks for me are “Goodbye Mr Lover Goodbye”, “You Can’t Believe Everything” & “Time Will Bring You Back”. Other tracks that appeal to UK collectors and in particular the club scene are James Barnett “Keep On Talking”, Art Freeman’s “Slippin' Around With You” and June Conquest’s “Almost Persuaded” with all three becoming classics on the UK Northern Soul scene over the years. Southern Soul lovers though are treated to some gems. Clarence Carter with “I Stayed Away Too Long” & “Don’t Make My Baby Cry” my picks of the six sides on offer. Arthur Conley has two 45’s featured with “I’m Gonna Forget About You” being the pick for me. Whilst James Barnett’s “Keep On Talking” is probably the most sought after release from this compilation due to it’s success on the underground UK Northern Soul scene the flip “Take A Good Look” is an often overlooked slice of Southern Soul. Dan Penn as well as his contribution to Fame through his songwriting chips in with two 345’s of his own with “Let Them Talk” being my favourite off the four sides on offer. Spooner Oldham, Dan Penn’s song writing partner and a huge part of the Fame Story has one release featured here and is in all fairness probably doesn’t appeal to Southern Soul lovers along with the likes of The Villagers (one release) and Terry Woodford (two releases), but then again that is to be expected with any label let alone one that is still finding its way as a label in its own right. Overall the compilation is a must for lovers of Southern Soul, The Fame Label and Studio has played (and continues to play) a significant part in the history of Southern Soul music and is getting the recognition it deserves via the releases from Kent and the recent Film Documentary “Muscle Shoals” from director Greg 'Freddy' Camalier. As usual you get the usual superb information packed sleeve notes from Dean Rudland and Tony Rounce, worth the price alone. Disc: 1 1. Steal Away- Jimmy Hughes 2. Lollypops, Lace And Lipstick - Jimmy Hughes 3. Close To Me - Dan Penn 4. Let Them Talk - Dan Penn 5. Try Me - Jimmy Hughes 6. Lovely Ladies - Jimmy Hughes 7. I'm Getting Better - Jimmy Hughes 8. I Want Justice - Jimmy Hughes 9. Hey, Do You Wanna Marry - Spooner And The Spoons 10. Wish You Didn't Have To Go - Spooner And The Spoons 11. Almost Persuaded - June Conquest 12. Party Talk - June Conquest 13. Goodbye My Lover Goodbye - Jimmy Hughes 14. It Was Nice - Jimmy Hughes 15. Take Me (Just As I Am) - Dan Penn 16. Diamonds - Dan Penn 17. You Really Know How To Hurt A Guy - Jimmy Hughes 18. The Loving Physician - Jimmy Hughes 19. Midnight Affair - Jimmy Hughes 20. When It Comes To Dancing - Jimmy Hughes 21. Keep On Talking - James Barnett 22. Take A Good Look - James Barnett 23. Gonna Make You Say Yeah - Terry Woodford 24. Hit The Ground - Terry Woodford 25. Neighbor, Neighbor - Jimmy Hughes 26. It's A Good Thing - Jimmy Hughes Disc: 2 1. His Town - Terry Woodford 2. She Wants What She Can't Have - Terry Woodford 3. Laugh It Off - The Villagers 4. You're Gonna Lose That Girl - The Villagers 5. I Worship The Ground You Walk On - Jimmy Hughes 6. A Shot Of Rhythm And Blues - Jimmy Hughes 7. In The Same Old Way - Arthur Conley 8. I Can't Stop (No, No No)- Arthur Conley 9. I Can't Get You Out Of My Mind - Art Freeman 10. Slippin Around With You - Art Freeman 11. I'm Gonna Forget About You - Arthur Conley 12. Take Me (Just As I Am) - Arthur Conley 13. I Stayed Away Too Long - Clarence Carter 14. Tell Daddy - Clarence Carter 15. Why Not Tonight - Jimmy Hughes 16. I'm A Man Of Action - Jimmy Hughes 17. Everybody's Got To Cry Sometime - Art Freeman 18. A Piece Of My Heart - Art Freeman 19. Thread The Needle - Clarence Carter 20. Don't Make My Baby Cry - Clarence Carter 21. Don't Lose Your Good Thing - Jimmy Hughes 22. You Can't Believe Everything- Jimmy Hughes 23. Hi Heel Sneakers - Jimmy Hughes 24. Time Will Bring You Back - Jimmy Hughes 25. She Ain't Gonna Do Right - Clarence Carter 26. The Road Of Love - Clarence Carter https://www.acerecords.co.uk/the-complete-fame-singles-vol-1-1964-1967
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Can anyone verify it was played at Wigan? I've yet to see anything conclusive to,say it was? Rod didn't seem to think he had the tapes from Robb K then? I'm sure it was said it was played at some venue in Manchester before Stafford?
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The two 70's ones are from same plates aren't they, only immediate visual difference being the arranger credit or lack of it. Aren't the matrix the same?
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They were from the 90's though I think? I remember sorting the remainder into sets, 8 I think in each. Only a few full sets left, the rest missing mainly Suspicion.