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Everything posted by Chalky
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Two LP's tonight so far, Ralph Graham "Differently" and Gloria Jones "Come Go With Me".
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As said so many mighty mighty fine songs behind him. R.I.P.
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A mate of mine bought some OneDerful MPac reel to reel tapes, answered an ad in Echoes or summit I think, I think he thought they were cassette tape Some unreleased Otis Clay and others.
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My home on the week is a tin can, better known as a lorry. So it's the iPod whilst at work. New CDs loaded on it this week are the Brent one from Kent, half a dozen plays this week, fantastic. Barbara Lewis and Dee Dee Warwick Atco/Atlantic collections and Donny Hathaway 4 cd anthology set. Should be a few lps waiting for me when I get home.
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From the Secret Stash website in the links.
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Both very good especially the slower side. Some excellent unissued material surfacing recently. Will some of the DJ's on the rarer side of the scene have the balls to play some of them?
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It was Win You Over that turned up with All My Life?
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Eugene Davis the owner of Crow/Flaming Arrow and Guy Hennigan was the first to get to him I believe. Guy got the first two Joseph Webster's and he alos got the Nancy Butts acetate/tape. I know Guy had a load of the Nacy Butts, did you off load them to Guy David!
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So now you agree it wasn't a 1k record pre ebay, not even ten years ago as for price guides, there are some who take no notice of any of them as prices differ just about everywhere. A guide price doesn't reflect demand or falling demand, quantity turning up and other reasons so by all accounts can be considered out of date almost immediately. I don't disagree with you regarding the price of top end sounds, they are beyond reason and logic many of them and are enough to turn many away from that side of the market. Who pays these prices and what is their thinking, is it a serious collector, local DJ's looking for a bigger stage or some looking at these as an investment, pension pot?
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I've seen it for well into three figures at times.
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Weren't they pressed somewhere in this country?
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Tim Brown 1st "Guide" 2004 valued at £300 which IMO at that time was nearer the price it was selling for. I can certainly remember it for around that price without the need to resort to a guide. Pete Smith commenting on the fact he sold it around then for something nearer Tim's price.....before ebay it was a lot less as well.
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I can remember it reaching the dizzy prices of £400/£500 and people saying what they are saying now. But Dave highlighted the crazy world of the price of Northern Soul records with the price of the Al Williams in comparison to The Masqueraders.
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"How" wasn't a 1000 pound sound before ebay, I and others by the look of this topic can remember it for a lot less, you must have been looking in the wrong places.
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The Contours and Dennis Edwards - Just A Little Misunderstanding: Kent CD
Chalky commented on Chalky's article in News Archives
Yep my mistake. I think I should have said the following track or the cd only Keep On Tryin? I will check. -
Tis indeed Denise and Devotions but titled Shy Guy. Think the actual artist is unknown.
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The last Paulette on the open market if I remember rightly went for £1200. It has regularly, well when it has come up for sale which isn't too often fetched £800 plus which isn't surprising really considering it is a popular spin (just not on soul source), and it is rare.
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I just don't see the point comparing How and Paulette?. How is ridiculously over priced Paulette is far far rarer, whether someone hates it or not is irrelevant, plenty like it.
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The Contours and Dennis Edwards - Just A Little Misunderstanding: Kent CD
Chalky posted an article in News Archives
Just A Little Misunderstanding: Rare And Unissued Motown 1965-68 The Contours When Ace/Kent delved into the world of Motown a few years ago they filled a void that Motown itself seemed reluctant to fill. That is some of the acts who weren’t necessarily considered Motown Royalty and especially the material left in the vaults. Even though these acts still had many a jewel in Motown’s crown with some stellar material either released or not. Acts such as Brenda Holloway, The Elgins, The Monitors, The Satintones, The Spinners, Shorty Long, Motown’s first Superstar Mary Wells, Eddie Holland and in the case of this review the Contours with two releases. The Contours story is basically a tale of two halves. The first half of the story is covered with the first CD release “Dance With The Contours”. A title taken from planned album that never materialised due to unrest with the management, threatened strikes and the sacking of members and a new line up. The original line up, Joe Billingslea and Billy Gordon the founders, Billy Hoggs, Hubert Johnson, Sylvester Potts and Huey Davis struck gold with “Do You Love Me”. Originally planned for the Temptations who failed to show for the recording session. It was after no further success materialized that the group were unhappy with Berry Gordy and Motown they were going to confront Gordy who having heard of this sacked all but Gordon. This is where the latest release from Kent takes over, “Just A Little Misunderstanding”. Representing the ,material recorded by the group between 1965-1968. The “new” group was formed, in addition to Gordon, Alvin English, Jerry Green & Council Gray were added. English soon went with Sylvester Potts returning to replace him. Hits soon followed, “Can You Jerk Like Me” and “First I Look At The Purse”. Billy Gordon was soon in trouble with the law and replaced by Joe Stubbs but not before the group had laid down "Baby Hit And Run". Previously unreleased but saw the light of day in the UK on a MFP LP (with Dennis Edwards lead dubbed in) and became a huge dance floor favourite on the UK Northern Soul scene. Stubbs only managed one single with the group the brilliant “Just A Little Misunderstanding”, again a big favourite with UK soul fans a staple play of many a Soul and Motown night. This is the point where Dennis Edwards came into the group and again just one 45 was managed before the group went into meltdown. “It’s So Hard Being A Loser”. “Just A Little Misunderstanding” manages to showcase all three leads and gives us a glimpse of what could have been with better promotion and not so much upheaval. Dancers such as the title track “Just A Little Misunderstanding”, “Baby Hit and Run” (Jerry Green lead vocal), “First I Look At The Purse”, tracks better known from recording s laid down by other Motown acts, “Ain’t That Peculiar” “Come See About Me” “I’ll Turn To Stone” and “What Becomes Of A Broken Hearted” amongst others unreleased gems such as “I Can’t Help Loving You Baby” (Joe Stubbs on lead vocal), "I’m Here Now That You Need Me” featuring the lead vocal of Dennis Edwards and "Sometimes I Have To Cry” with Jerry Green taking the lead. All in all a dozen unreleased tracks featuring the group and Dennis Edwards solo cuts including one of my favourites “Can’t Do Without Your Love” an unreleased gem that I was given some years ago and featured in my DJ sets around the country. As well as the music there is as you would expect from Ace/Kent an extensive booklet with photographs, label scans and extensive notes from the renowned Motown collector and historian Keith Hughes. And just in case you didn’t know of the site Keith is involved in it is well worth checking out for all your Motown recordings queries, “Don’t Forget The Motor City” http://youtu.be/CBZgcQ6MExk 1. Just A Little Misunderstanding 2. First I Look At The Purse 3. It's Growing 4. Baby Hit And Run 5. It's So Hard Being A Loser 6. Determination 7. A Weak Spot In My Heart 8. Girl Come On In 9. I Can't Help Loving You Baby 10. Your Love Grows More Precious Everyday 11. I'm Here Now That You Need Me 12. What Becomes Of The Brokenhearted 13. Sunny 14. Keep On Tryin' (Till You Find Love) 15. Ain't That Peculiar 16. Can't Do Without Your Love 17. I Like Everything About You 18. What's So Good About Goodbye 19. Which Way To My Baby 20. I'll Turn To Stone 21. Need Your Lovin' (Want You Back) 22. Our Last Rendezvous 23. Sometimes I Have To Cry 24. I Grow Deeper In Love Every Day 25. Come See About Me 26. When A Man Loves A Woman Buy From Ace/Kent http://acerecords.co.uk/just-a-little-misunderstanding-rare-and-unissued-motown-1965-68 -
Essential listening for me, great shows Mick.
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genius, pair of 'em https://how-to-play-bass.com/bass-guitar-blog/whats-going-on-james-jamerson-and-marvin-gaye
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I've read of the many claims of Carol Kaye and the counter claims. The Carol Kaye one I was referring to was I think a Beach Boys track and others on the video backed her up so one I probably believe. I don't believe any of the Detroit claims to be honest, maybe some of the West Coast recordings? Jamerson arguably one of the greatest.
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If you watch the documentary about the wrecking crew Carol Kaye tells of how she came up with some of the bass lines in the studio at the time of recording. Great musicians can improvise as well as follow as sheet. Besides I bet there was more than a few who couldn't read music.
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I doubt any of the musicians back then in the likes of MFSB's, Funk Brothers etc played note for note. Always some artistic license that is why they stood out. The above book I gave the loin for goes in to some detail about the musicians and the fallouts, lack of recognition etc.