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  1. Cheers mate. Larry isn't the Larry Banks from NYC on the likes of Spring.
  2. I was there Steve but my memory not as good....I'd had more than are beers I do remember him saying he took a finger full and that he could/would go back for the others.
  3. UK prices are often ridiculous, you only have to look at discogs to realise that UK sellers do not care what is happening around them. They are often two three and four times dearer than foreign sellers on discogs so a UK seller trying to get twice as much as this is selling for on eBay doesn't surprise me. Two copies of the Pinkertones soldon ebay within the last month or so by the same seller for I think $117 and $137.
  4. the seller I mention above is from Inglewood....I've seen several of his sales so he could be a good place to start, looks like the same scan too for each sale.
  5. this guy (soulfunkmore) seems to have sold a few, the last couple not much over $100 https://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-ORIGINAL-NORTHERN-SOUL-45-THE-PINKERTONES-ITS-NOT-THE-WAY-YOU-WALK-/152213772189?hash=item2370a5d79d:g:ZV4AAOSwIgNXudeY
  6. three on eBay now, two in the US one in the UK. Two having a laugh with price considering the amount for sale recently, one has starting price of $99 which I doubt I would pay anymore than that to be honest.
  7. The car broke down at the beginning of the week....didn't get fixed till Thursday so I made good use of those three days by writing this, full time job Many thanks everyone for the comments, they are much appreciated.
  8. Having a root round Steve G says the label went bust for the first time when this was recorded...the engineer hadn't been paid and kept around 200 records. John A took 8 of them, the rest...who knows, certainly a few copies made there way over but the rest who knows? Might still be sat in that box somewhere waiting to be found!
  9. Wigan as well as Cleethorpes. Richard says he played it on the way back from Soul Bowl after collecting it in Kettering on a Friday night.
  10. I know John said he took what he could get on his finger but wasn't the label being shut down, everything in the skip etc? The engineer had a box of these (25).....some alcohol had been consumed during the conversation
  11. I remember John Anderson telling us the story of how he found this...the studio engineer (I think) had a box and John took what he could get on his finger, the rest skipped along with everything else from the studio I believe.
  12. Who was the seller who seemed to have or still has quantity on this? He was trickling them out on ebay etc. Loads for sale the past 12-18 months.
  13. Kent 100 Club Anniversary SIngles Sound files and/or scans available on request. All in Excellent nick, some never played. Some that have do have the odd superficial mark but overall they are all in great condition. The Charmaines - I Idolise You M&M & The Peanuts - Can’t Say No 23rd Anniversary Storming Norther! £50 The Devonnes - Doin’ The Gittin’ Up Mayberry Movement - I See Him Making Love To You 26th Anniversary Great Northern and an excellent version of the Anderson Brothers classic. £50 Tokays - (Marriage Is Only) A State Of Mind The Cavaliers - We Go Together 33rd Anniversary £50 June Jackson & the Jackals - Port Of Happiness September Jones - You Better Know Why 35th Anniversary £50 Payment Paypal (gift preferred to avoid fees) to chalky@karlwhite.me.uk. Postage & Packing Over £15 it is sent Recorded. Over £40 it is sent Special Delivery. The disc(s) is NOT insured otherwise. UK Recorded = £2.50 Special delivery = £7.50 Europe Internationally Tracked & Signed For = £9.00 up to £50 Internationally Tracked & Signed For = £12 up to £250 Rest of World Internationally Tracked & Signed For = £10.00 up to £50 Internationally Tracked & Signed For = £12.50 up to £250
  14. Lonnette McKee
  15. I thought it was confirmed at some point that it is his son? May have been a previous topic or elsewhere?
  16. A lot of vinyl was reused or reground (especially in the 70s and the oil crisis) which resulted in oxygen getting in the regrind, thats why there are many mint vinyl copies that play with noise. Most (quality) brand new styrene presses is often far better quality initially but its deteriorates far too quick. The styrene stampers lasted much much longer than vinyl stampers. But at the end of the day records weren't made to last though and many record companies were just interested in the here and now and making a quick buck.
  17. Just to complete the 45 scans....
  18. A big thank you to Larry Banks. I was hoping to do this story with James Bailey until he was moved to another home. However Larry came through with not only his story but some amazing photographs as you can see. There are more photos that I will post over time so that Larry can tell the story behind them. @larrybanks1941
  19. I couldn't remember the Betty Wilson cover up bit for sure, who covered it up?
  20. I don't remember it being covered up?
  21. THE LARRY BANKS & THE SERVICEMEN STORY The Servicemen, four members of the US Airforce and one from the US Army, were a highly talented vocal group. However with just a few releases to their name and two or three other songs in the can they didn’t find the fame their talent deserved….at least not in the USA. However, several thousands of miles away in the United Kingdom, in clubs up and down the country DJs and dancers sought out worshiped The Servicemen and their records began to change hands for some serious money. Today one or two command a four figure sum whilst the others a three figure sum. I believe “I Need A Helping Hand” was a big record for Colin Curtis at Blackpool Mecca whilst Simon Soussan discovered “Sweet Magic” in 1974 and it was he who gave it to the Wigan Casino DJs as The Magicians. Simon Soussan bootlegged the 45, far too soon for some and it was then quickly dropped at the time by the DJs. It would be a little while longer, 1976, before Kev Roberts discovered the original in Anaheim and it was learnt that it was in fact The Servicemen and not the Magicians. In more recent years, with the Northern Soul never more popular and with many revisiting their youth and these classics the whole output of the Servicemen as again found favour, “Connie” is extremely popular today after getting reactivated a few years ago and is as popular as the top side. Prices for originals of the Servicemen 45s have soared in value today. I was lucky enough to be in contact with one of the members, the bass and baritone singer James Bailey. He was in a nursing home but unfortunately he was moved elsewhere and the location would not be divulged due to data protection laws in the States. This was before we could get round to telling the story of the group and I thought the chance had gone forever. Larry Banks though happened upon a topic on Soul Source and having established further contact with Larry we not only established his extremely interesting story and career but that of the Servicemen too. We will start by telling the story of Larry and finish with the Servicemen but both are intertwined and extremely interesting. Larry Banks Singing "Yesterday" at The Riverside Ballroom. Larry Banks was born in 1941 in rural Atlanta, Georgia into a close-knit family with four boys of who Larry was the youngest. When Larry was aged two his parents moved the family to Cleveland, Ohio. Larry remembers having a very full childhood living in a neighborhood fully made up of Doctors, Lawyers, Entrepreneurs, and multiple small business enterprises. Singing and entertainment ran in my family as far back as Larry could personally remember to his Great, Great Grandfather. In Larry’s elementary school he took part in band and the choir. The biggest influence he remembers at that time was Saturday night "Your Hit Parade". “Pop tunes appealed to me then” Larry would say. An early influence on Larry was his brother Al here with his group The Wigs in 1959. Into secondary school Larry was continuing with bands, marching bands, and choruses. He now became aware of early Do-Wop. The pioneers like "The Diablos, The El-Doradoes, The Drifters (with Clyde McPhatter), The Solitares, The Penquins, Frankie Lyman & The Teenagers, The Schoolboys" and on and on. Singing groups and harmony became Larry’s strong preface and he along with school friend who sang with him used to draw crowds walking through the halls singing popular songs of the day. "The Wind", "Baby I Need You", "Work With Me Annie", "Annie Had A Baby" and "Sixty Minute Man". Larry says “There were so much extraordinary talent around in that time period from 1953-1956. Many going on to stardom, I'm sure you are familiar with a great many of them”. Then came the high school years, 1956-1959. “I had to work especially hard to focus on graduating. All I wanted to do was sing” says Larry. He developed a group called the El-Deons. Larry goes on to say “This group was extremely talented. I don't think there was a spot in town we didn't perform. We were known for ballads with difficult harmonies such as the Flamingoes, Moonglows, Dells, Jerry Butler & the Impressions, Spaniels, Everly Brothers (All I Have To Do Is Dream, and an assortment of Jackie Wilson's renditions of "Lonely Teardrops & Danny Boy". E-Deons & El-Deonettes El-Deons Newspaper Article The El-Deons, The Rose Room of The Majestic Hotel in 1958 In 1959 after graduation Larry entered the military. After basic training and tech school, he was shipped out to Dreux Air Force Base, France. Located sixty miles north of Paris and thirty miles from Evreux Air Base. While there he developed a group calling themselves The Hallmarks. The repertoire of this group was a little more diverse. They not only did the Spaniels, Heartbeats "Thousand Miles Away", Crazy For You, Moonglows "Most Of All, they also did some modern harmony such as Hi-Lo's, and Four Freshman's "Graduation Day. Then they sometimes did some jazz like Lambert, Hendrich, And Ross's, "Moanin or Gimme That Bottle". The group did a great deal of Franco-American Relationship work, performing a number of times at the French Naval Base up around Caen & Cherburg, France. The Hallmarks in 1960 At The 1250 Broadway Show Upon returning to the United States in 1964, Larry was stationed at Luke AFB, Arizona. It was here that Larry developed a group called the Tridels in 1965. This group was the prelude to the Servicemen. Not only was this group extremely popular area wide, but also it distinguished itself in 1965 by: (1) Winning the base talent contest. (20-group competition) (2) Winning the Command contest. (60-group competition) (3) Winning 3rd place worldwide contest. (2 month long, 300 group competition) The Tridels Because it was during the Vietnam era two members shipped out. In 1966 the two remaining members morphed into the five membered Servicemen. With the arrival of James Mitchell, the only Army member was stationed there on location. A biography was written for publication in many newspaper articles on and off base. Introducing the group to the public it was so titled MEET THE SERVICEMEN. The amazing thing is that everyone had such an extensive amount of past experience that we came together almost immediately. The first song we thoroughly nailed down became our signature requested song seems like at every appearance, the song "Most Of All" by the Moonglows. The Servicemen's popularity rose rather quickly. They found themselves with a weekend commitment for shows at a very posh super nightclub call the El-Morroco Club. Various stars appeared there such as, Redd Fox, Slappy White, Righteous Brothers, Lou Rawls, The Whispers, and on an on. It was really an extraordinary experience to work with so many headliners. It is every groups dream to record and the Servicemen’s was no different and when word came of a record deal they were elated. One night in April 1966 the group drove to Los Angeles so that they could record at the Bob Ross Studios the next morning. Larry recalls, “We were so excited to be recording, we didn't anticipate walking into a studio with mountains of dust only to find this was by design. The very nature and quality of sound produced was determined by this dust. In the studio we met a young kid with a portfolio of songs he had written. He wondered if we would be interested in doing some of his material. We declined because we just didn't think it fit our style. Our first fascination was with seeing studio musicians performing their craft. Seeing them go over the music, familiarizing themselves with any outstanding parts or rhythms. Playing spot parts of the music, and then just to sit back and wait for the arranger”. In this case the arranger was a young H.B. Barnum. From the control room comes the signal, "Band, are we ready, take one count, 1-2-3-4.” With the downbeat comes the coming together of accomplished musicians that is something to behold to the ears of one who truly appreciates. Especially when you're listening to your original song Larry recalls. The Tridels It is at this point where Larry explains how the transition from the Tridels to The Servicemen happened… “In order to compete in the Air Force Wide Vocal Group competition you must survive through four (4) levels of competition, each one more competitive than the next. Four (4) Bases Four (4) Parts of the country The Tridels in Competition Tridels World Wide Competition Judge's Score Sheet (Air Force Finals) Yvette Milieux, Elmer Bernstein, & Vince Barnett (Judges, US Air Force Talent Contest Finals) When we returned from the competition I got a call from the Base Commander's Office. Since this is extremely rare my entire office was curious as to what's it all about. When I got there to report he had me stand at ease. Then proceeded to commend me for what the group had accomplished and for bringing recognition in terms of representing the base. It would appear there was some competitive jealousy from other bases in the command. He then appointed us Ambassadors with special exempt status in participating in mandatory functions within the squadrons. We also agreed that when we were doing our weekend shows, we'd do one show a night in the military uniform. That gave us the idea to change the name to the Servicemen. Even though we thought the name change was appropriate we had no idea what a reception we'd get with audiences seeing us in military the opening show, and then seeing us in full tux with matching accessories. The Tridels At this point the Servicemen really began to soar. Articles began to appear in publications on and off base weekly with radio exposure that just seem to ramp up. Because of our status on base we began to travel with increase frequency, sometimes up to a week at a time with notification to the base. This gave us engagements to be performed up and down the west coast from Los Angeles to Seattle, Washington. From the state of Arizona, civic functions, politic functions, prayer breakfasts, college campuses, military functions and ceremonies when called upon. From and including Texas to sometimes a Honky-tonk joint on the outskirts of Las Vegas. We were there. How we met and came together is outlined in the biography. What is not included is just how much we bonded. In 1968 when we disbanded the group there was a great amount of sadness and disappointment. We had invested so much inner soul into the group's development. But in the end we walked away with no regrets because we had a great, great run. Earlier I alluded to meeting a young man with a portfolio of his written material we declined to do at the time. Well two (2) years later our 1st tenor (Edgar Goodman- we call him Goody), brought to my attention a Life Magazine. On the cover was Frank Sinatra. All the guys knew that for me at that time, I idolized two people because of the way they used their voice as an instrument with perfect pitch. Not necessarily in this order but Johnny Mathis and Frank Sinatra. The cover story was "Franks Got A Cold" highlighting his power and influence he welded in the music industry and especially Las Vegas. Goody told me to open it to a specific page. I did to see a picture of a young man in a conservative business suit. The face seemed familiar but I couldn't place it. Goody asked, "Do you remember the young kid we met back in Bob Ross Studios, you know the kid who wanted us to do some of his material." I said "I'll be a S.O.B." There was a huge story title "JIMMY WEBB, "Genius, A Young Cole Porter". I read on and flipped the page to see the 5th Dimensions, "Up, Up and Away" just being released by five young college kids out of Berkley. And so it goes that young Jimmy Webb went on to write and collaborate for many TV specials.” Larry’s military commitment ended January 1967 and having graduated from Arizona State University in Environmental Sciences he return to Cleveland to start a career. It's often said that when one door closes another one opens. Larry went on to flourish in a successful career. Having published a number of industry articles, headed the Environmental Office for a Public School System, consulted to NASA and the Federal Government on Environmental Issues. Larry settled down 10 years after returning to Cleveland. Raised a family of two boys, one girl, all educated, married and working in their chosen fields. Now married soon 40 years, residing in a suburb of Cleveland, South Euclid, Ohio. Larry has been retired since 2011, but continues consulting to the Federal Government (part-time for pleasure only) Larry finishes by saying, “What is gratifying now to see the way people have ultimately responded to the Servicemen and their efforts. They truly, truly put forth their best from the teachings from the early masters”. The Servicemen January 1966, a young James L. Mitchell was arrived at Luke Airforce Base. Mitchell was a talented singer and writer and was upon arrival at the base eager to establish a group and began a search for like-minded individuals. He soon met Larry Banks who was lead singer of a successful forces vocal group The Tridels. They had won first place in a Luke AFB Talent Contest & Tactical Command and was placed third in a Worldwide Air Force competition in 1965. The meeting of Larry Banks and James Mitchell marked the beginning of The Servicemen. Larry would then introduce to Mitchell Edgar “Goody” Goodman (first tenor of the Tridels) and Victor Gussew, a good baritone and very familiar with the R&B field. James Mitchell liked what he heard, both vocally and their style and accepted them into the group. The search then turned to a bass singer to complete the formation. Several were auditioned but none so far were satisfactory Mitchell then approached one of his friends, James Bailey. James was reluctant to join the group due to his religious beliefs. He was very experienced in this field but after serious consideration James decided to join the group. Larry recalls they were very lucky to get James Bailey on board. He had the depth and volume to his voice and he gave the group the solid foundation for the kind of harmony the group were seeking and that he kept the group on its toes and the audience on the edge of their seats. His versatility didn’t restrict him to bass; he was also an accomplished baritone. Larry recalls that James was “one of the best, great and talented, and what I call Southern inspired and trained basses I've ever know”. The next stage was to find someone who would produce and record the group. Mitchell was introduced to T/Sgt William Mauzey. Bill Mauzey was also military and had been in the service longer than any of the group. It was Bill who financed the groups first session, the recording of “Connie” and “Sweet Magic” One night in April 1966 the group travelled to the Los Angeles, California. Their final destination 6263 Lelandway & Vine and the studio of Bob Ross, one block from the Motown Studios. It was here where the group laid down their first ever recordings, Larry Banks featuring on vocal for “Connie” and James Mitchell the lead for “Sweet Magic”, both sides were written by Mitchell. They arranger for the session would be none other than a young H.B. Barnum. The record was released on 22nd of August 1966 on the Chartmaker label. According to Bill Mauzey 10,000 copies were pressed and initial distribution was in the Phoenix/Flagstaff area of Arizona. The group had minimal participation in the distribution; mostly they did promotions throughout the state. They were extremely well known throughout the state within the military, but they also had a strong following on the college campuses and in general had been on many of the radio stations with very good air play including being placed on Phoenix Radio Station KRIZ’s Boss Blues Top 15 (Hadley Murrell who would play a part in the groups history was a personality at the station). They were in many of the record shops with request coming in constantly for more records. Our main drawback was only that we were military and didn't have the freedom to move as the studio wanted us to. The studio owner’s main business interests were television productions. It was around this time that Victor Gussew was stationed away from Luke AFB and therefore had to depart the group. Alton “Al” Hall was recruited to replace Victor. Hadley Murrell then came into the lives of then group. He was to DJ at a calypso dance on the base and it was there that Mitchell asked Murrell if The Servicemen could sing a capella during the intermission. Murrell agreed to this and the group simply blew Murrell away with the sublime four-part harmony. The tracks were “Are You Angry”, “I Need A Helping Hand”, “Why Can’t You be True”, “Come Back to Me” and “My Turn”. Murrell decided immediately he wanted to record the group and in February of 1967 he took the group into the studio at Audio Recorders of Arizona in Phoenix. Backing up the group was the LBJ’s. The group and the band rehearsed the tracks and the results were “Are You Angry” and “I Need A Helping Hand”. Murrell would hawk “Are You Angry” and “I Need A Helping Hand” around the companies but got little if any interest so he returned to Phoenix and put the two tracks out on his own Wind Hit label. 200 copies it is believed was the initial press. These were shipped to movers and shakers in the business, radio stations but as Murrell says “Nothing happened”. Murrell then went to L.A. and put the two tracks out on Patheway records, still with no luck. In October 1967 the group returned to the studio and cut four more tracks. “My Turn” which would see a release on the re-released “I Need A Helping Hand” (Patheway 102), the soulful brilliance that is “I’ll Stop Loving You” which didn’t see the light of day until Grapevine in the UK released it in 2003. The Five Keys “Close Your Eyes” and The “5” Royales “Right Around The Corner” were the other tracks laid down. Apart from “My Turn” they would all remain unreleased. However 2003 as I stated saw the released on Grapevine for I’ll Stop Loving You” and along with the others would feature on a CD released by Hadley Murrell in 2007. The CD would also feature stunning a capella takes of the tracks that blew Hadley Murrell away at the dance. In 1968, with no more sign of the group returning to the studio and their service ion the forces coming to an end the group was disbanded, departing to make careers and lives in the real world away from the confines of life in the military and as part of a close-knit harmony group. They did however leave a lasting impression. All of their records and 45s are hugely in-demand in the UK on the Northern Soul Scene. Simon Soussan discovered the Chartmaker 45 in 1964 and shipped acetates/emidiscs of it to the Wigan Casino DJs Russ Winstanley and possibly Richard Searling as well. However it wasn’t as the Servicemen that Simon would send the tracks over as but the Magicians. It was as this that it was championed as by the DJs. However Simon Soussan quickly bootlegged the 45 as the Magicians, far too quickly it is said, and the record was dropped by the DJS. It would be a couple of years before Kev Roberts found an original copy in Anaheim but there was little interest in the 45 and he sold it for £80, still quite a sum back in circa 1979. Colin Curtis at Blackpool’s legendary Mecca venue championed “I Need A Helping Hand” in the mid 70s. “Are You” Angry it would appear was initially played by Soul Sam at The Notts Palais. Connie would find greater acceptance in more recent years, reactivated and championed by the likes of Ady Pountain and Mark “Butch” Dobson. The revived interest in the scene has seen many revisiting their youth and many who are finding the scene for the first time, now a world wide music scene finding, these records for the first time. Two of the releases are commanding sums around the £1000 mark whilst others are in around £100/£150. Demand saw re-releases on Grapevine in 2001 for “Are You Angry” and “I Need A Helping Hand” and in 2003 for “I’ll Stop Loving You” and “Sweet Magic”. Testament to the enduring quality and class of one of the great forgotten and largely unknown harmony groups in the USA but who found fame 1000s of miles away in the UK years later. Chartmaker 408 - Connie / Sweet Magic - 1966 
 (Recorded April, 1966, @ the Bob Ross Studios, Lelandway and Vine, Los Angeles, California. The lead on “Connie” is Larry Banks, “Sweet Magic” lead is James Mitchell). Wind Hit 100 - Are You Angry* / Need A Helping Hand - 1967 (*Recorded 24-February-1967 with Larry Banks on lead for “Are You Angry” and James Mitchell on lead for the flip side).) Wind Hit - I'll Stop Loving You - 1967 (Larry Banks on lead and recorded 25-October-1967 and previously unissued on vinyl 
until the 2003 release on Grapevine). Patheway 102 - I Need A Helping Hand / My Turn – 1967 (James Mitchell on lead fro “I Need A Helping Hand” and Edgar Goodman on the lead for the flip. This release had three presses at least. Ones with the “Cartoon Man” on the label with labels pressed the wrong way and then the right way and also on a plain orange label). A massive thank you to Larry Banks for sharing this great story. Thanks to the notes of Dan Nowicki and also Hadley Murrell. Photographs courtesy and property of Larry Banks. Label Scans. Chartmaker, Wind Hit and plain Patheway courtesy of Greg Tormo. "Cartoon" Pathway courtesy of Dave Moore. Larry Banks kindly sent me a couple of CDs. One of Connie and Sweet Magic taken from the masters and one of the El-Deons rehearsing for a reunion gig. Larry kindly said I could share with you so hear are the El-Deons. added 5 February 2017 El-Deons mp3 Your browser does not support the audio element.
  22. The story of Larry Banks & The Servicemen whose recording career was brief but left some memorable, sought after music. Tap to view this Soul Source News/Article in full
  23. Some good info from Gareth in this topic.....
  24. plenty of styrene out of the east Simon.
  25. Sonja Grier only a couple of years old. Do you have a sound file of the track in question?


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