Chalky

Thanks mate, nice to see he was doing ok and not struggling, although he should have been a millionaire!

Great photo Tim. Was he well off, comfortable in life? You see and hear of so many artists who are on their arse despite what they did in life. Would be nice to know MT was at the very least comfortable and saw some rewards for all his work.

This week Dean and Gez are joined by Hayley Record's Robb Moss with some juicy unreleased, alternate takes and simply superb soul music. Quality chat and info in between too.

I think he meant proper acetate. Little Ann from John was a studio acetate, Eddie Parker also I think. Emidiscs were certainly made at Wigan though. But that was then when copies of certain records were scare, often one only. Today most have been found with multiple copies.

Waiting for him to respond to friend request , I've also messaged him. He doesn't seems very active.

I think it is a very simple concept, it is just those attempting to justify something that complicate matters.

It might be worth 2 sovs to some, but that is different to a value which is what those who were willing to pay 200 for is. Worth and value are two different things. Reading your post above you are contradicting yourself within a couple of sentences As for Frank Wilson, it doesn’t come up for sale, if you are auctioning such a rare item you are going to talk it up, no different to any auctioneer but the market decides the value. The £100.000 quoted wasn’t a value either, it was a maybe, an estimation. I doubt John would value it at a 6 figure price now? Saying that the test pressing wasn’t far off

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It is far from cobblers. It is certainly far to simplistic to say something is only worth what someone is willing to pay. When you have been around records for any length of time you learn how comon or rare something is, what they are selling for and indeed if they are selling, demand or no demand. Most records have a sales history and that is often the basis for a price. Most records are offered for a price, not what someone is willing to pay. last two or three weeks I’ve sold about 30, all priced on recent history and only one did I barter. If you don’t meet a value, you invariably don’t get the record.

Yes, think she spent a night in the nick...ex missus btw

Nothing wrong with legal reissues although I wouldn’t play one thats had an original release. Unreleased ones I have no qualms about playing

When Berry Gordy said its whats in the grooves, I don’t think he meant the grooves of a bootleg. He wasn’t best pleased with his label being booted.

If you wanna play boots just advertise the fact younare either djing or promoting with them, people then have a choice to support or not. You will then see how many care or not.

Yes you might have prints because you can’t afford the original BUT you don’t open a gallery and show them off

As said it is a different world today. In the beginning records were scarce, originals extremely hard to come by. Cuts/carvers/emidisc whatever you wish to call them were made to play extremely rare records, even in the 80s (Jackie Day Naughty Boy springs to mind with just one known copy at the time). Today, even the rarest records can be heard up and down the country so there really is no need to go down the bootleg route. There are far too many events, far too many Djs with nothing to iffer that isn’t already on offer, far too man with no imagination. Far too many spiv promoters ith second rate equipment in a shit hole of a flea infested venue. Do we really need 30 odd venues within an hour or so of each other, no we don’t. it is time some started to look at the bigger picture and not their selfish selves. I’m involved in a sales group elsewhere and to join you have to answer questions about your involvement and the number who say they are a Dj is laughable. It is time more professionalism was brougt to the scene, time more imagination was brought to the fore, then the scene might just flourish and entice more and more newcomers to enjoy what we have for decades. Stop harking back to your youth, I’d like nothing more than how it was in my youth but it ain’t going to happen.

Load of rubbish. Non US labels are as popular as ever with collectors and Djs. Lps are also quite rightly beginning to feature more and more.

FFS NOT AGAIN is this another wind up? I’ll bite anyway There are more than enough Djs with the proper records who can do it right, without resorting to shitty boots. There really is no need to use some tosser who plays boots. If you can’t do it right then get out of the way and let one of those who can do the job. Why do people always try and insist on changing the way things are, in this case for the worse by playing what’s in the groove of a bootleg. Why does everyone feel the need to be a dj, especially if they have to resort to boots. Why can’t you just go along and enjoy the music or just sod off and take that stupid ovo term with them, we didn’t need it for decades.

Neither did Andy Say there wouldn’t be a repress, just no plans, discussion etc

It didn’t influence sellers at all. Those with spares had already purchased them to sell on at inflated prices...copies already at the time on the market at £250 when you could still buy copies on line if you looked. At that time there was no plans, it all changed just recently, well over a week, getting on two later.

Benjamin I waited for the Lp.

I bought it because it is good, never for a second wondered how many copies were pressed, just assumed there would be a decent run done given the demand and popularity.

Obviously not but peope want a 7 inch piece of vinyl. Just like the download wasn’t good enough for some who wanted it on vinyl and bought the later issue on Lp.

I’m not giving advice but there was a hell of a lot of complaints on facebook where Andy was corresponding too. Dealers have been inundated with requests for the disc but had sold out. The flipside wasn’t issued by Expansion. It isn’t just this country that there is demand and there isn’t just the northern scene wanting this, why they would want it anyway I’m not sure when similar sort of recordings faren’t deemed good enough for a northern night. There is a demand and looks like the label are simp,y attempting to meet that demand. Andy said it was never meant to be an immediate rarity.

I think they have listened to concerns and complaints. I son’t think Andy who pressed them thought they would sell like they did. OVO now comes into it, you can see it with the comments about will it be the same or will it look different. Ridiculous really.

You have a master plate that goes through a process and from this mother plates are created. From this mother more father plates are made and these are the stampers. The original father or master goes on the shelf. The stampers will press say a 1000 copies before they wear out. The mother can produce half a dozen sets of stampers I think before that wears out. They then make another mother plate from the master. Unless a brand new master is made with different matrix, and the original master is continually used then doesn’t matter how many runs are done they are all original first press. Not the exact process but it gives you an idea think about chart records, those that sell millions, they don’t press them all in one go, they are done on demand. Initial pre orders will be satisfied with extra if pre orders are good and they will then press more as they sell.