Chalky

I think out time in influencing the direction of the scene is about done, the new breed and social media will dictate and is dictating the direction. We have had out time really, we never for a minute imagined we still be here decades later still doing this thing. We have certainly had the best of the music and the scene as well. It's just a parody, watered down and commercially driven now. As Steve says let them get on with it, as long as history is not rewritten as it seems to be on a daily basis to suit then all is good.

It is definitely not Lorraine singing, she confirmed that on this site. Soussan was behind it, Neil Ruston asked Jack about it BITD and jack said he was approached by SS and told Neil the singer used, he mentioned her name in Echoes when hie was writing back then. Neil told this story on here in one of the topics.

Jack doesn't remember nothing, asked him several questions but he cannot help

I have sent then to Jack to see if he recognises the handwriting

It is strange how there are no markings for the mastering company or anything else as Evans was working for some of the biggest at the time.

Nice, that nails the time of release. Be nice to get something concrete regarding how the other presses came about and where they were pressed. If only Jack Ashford had a decent memory.

Dunno, from what I can see NSC was set up much later than the 60s

National Sound Corporation, mastering company? Something to do with Ron Murphy but later than the. 60s I believe

I did ask Jack about all the variations but he couldn’t give me any answers about any if them, he cannot remember anything. I’m as curious as anyone to know the history of the disc, where when and why but without evidence it is just a guessing game. But those guesses soon get accepted as fact and its a route I’d sooner not go down, especially when there ate 1000s of records mastered in Nashville and pressed elsewhere. That and the fact that Jack didn’t always have the resources needed to do what is sometimes suggested.

I don’t necessarily disagree with you about being pressed elsewhere but we have no idea where or when. I know Nashville Matrix plated the 45, I’ve never doubted that as the evidence is there. I’m fully aware of their work, their location and what was opposite.

Tiny amount? Archer pressed records for many labels. I am not saying everything recorded in Detroit was pressed there, far from it. But neither is it true that because it was mastered in say Nashville that it was pressed there. There are a lot if places in between the two cities or closer to Detroit that had pressing plants Columbia did many labels so not sure how you can take them out of the equation? We don’t even know for sure the date the second press were done. Why would Ashford go to the expense of having another set of masters made when he already had one?

The Superlatives - I Don’t Know How. Mastered at Nashville Matrix, lacquer cut by Evans and pressed in Detroit at Archer. Found that example after just a few discs and there will but 100s more mastered in Nashville and pressed elsewhere. The Four Sonics on Sepia another example. Your argument that because it was mastered in one place means it was pressed there holds no water.

There is still no evidence it was pressed in Nashville just an inference as you say. They did have couriers back then, it is how masters got to pressing plants around the country for national distributed discs. Cheaper to shop a master than a quantity if discs. I doubt very much it was pressed for national distribution, Ashford didn’t have the resources for that.

but it is still an assumption. It could have been mastered in Nashville, masters sent back to Detroit where it was pressed. Neither do you know it was a large quantity. Unless you see the actual paperwork there is no knowing how many were pressed and with the lack of pressing plant identifiers where. Nashville Matrix used to do mastering for labels all over the place, they didn’t press any but the masters sent back or to a pkant of tje labels choice a Motown suite in Nashville, again nothing to do with the manufacture of any discs.

WME. If that is the initials of the engineer Mac Evans and mastered in Nashville, it doesn’t mean it was pressed or produced Nashville. I doubt the 45 was ever getting a national distribution deal, not on Ashford.

Have we got scans of the “two” variants of the WME deadwax etchings

I wouldn’t take everything Lorraine said as gospel, i doubt she had anything to do with the pressing of the discs and she did claim things in the past that weren’t strictly true.

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its neither, neither is Mixed Feelings or Joseph Webster modern IMO, both niter sounds and not from the modern rooms wouldn't it be good if it was all just soul music all in one room

Newies was indeed the term in the late 70s early 80s. Modern first used in adverts in 1982 (The Oak in Shrewsbury) and Sam used the term in an article around the same time (although it was a term in use prior to this in talk). Many of the tracks mentioned are just 70s Northern to me and many as I said never really saw a modern room or broke by modern Djs first, it was all-nighter Djs that played them first, Hamilton Movement etc.

If you look at flyers etc for late Wigan early 80s, newies was used before it became modern. As you say it was later used to describe the 6ts in the mid 80s

Surely that is just Northern? Out and out Northern classic? Things like the Hamilton Movement, Ellipsis...just Northern to me as it was the northern scene that really broke them and made them what they are. I don't consider them Modern, not what we call modern anyway. Quite a few listed never saw a modern room, not till after the northern Djs had done with it. Here's a bunch In played in the modern room at Culcheth, nothing ground breaking nothing out of the ordinary so to speak but I tried to play records that have not or aren't featured in Northern rooms. Woods Empire - Universal Love - Tabu Anglo Saxon Brown - Gonna Make You Mine - Atlantic Lamont Dozier - Something To Fall Back On - Expansion (ABC Years & Lost Sessions) Nudge & The Chocolate Jam Co. - Come Into My Life Again - Epic Arnold McCuller - Freeway To Monterey - Avi Lenny Williams - Half Past Love - ABC Anthony White - Stop And Think It Over - PIR Imperial Wonders - Lord Wheat’s Happening To The World? - Cordial Ellis Hall Group - Those Passing Words - Super Disco Edits Dexter Wansel - The Sweetest Pain - PIR Down To Earth - Everyday - Izipho Soul Leon Ware - Inside Your Love - Fabulous Ronnie Dyson - Heart To Heart - Cotillion Greg Perry - I’ll Always Be In Love With Love - RCA Wali Ali - (Oh I) Need Your Love - Jobette

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