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I don't know but I'll have a guess: Neither the organisers nor the DJ's nor the regular attendees care what format is being played they just want to have a night out, so they don't see a need to specify format. I think it is unlikely that anyone craving for OVO would stumble into such a place as the flyer usually gives an indication of what to expect.

Not wishing to sound like a politician, but the bit you've highlighted has been taken out of context. I wasn't generally defending the playing of bootlegs, I thought the whole of my post made that clear. I was just saying that if people want to play them out then that isn't a terrible thing, I was suggesting that perhaps it was a nostalgia thing they were looking for. I meant that people can do what they want in the main, In the 70's for many people the only way to get to hear a tune away from a venue was to buy bootlegs. At the time many people didn't know the distinction between bootlegs and originals, and when they did they didn't really care. My missus bought hers from adverts at the back of Blues and Soul - she was just buying tunes that she had heard (probably off bootlegs!) at a local club and wanted to listen to at home. I continually refuse to sell them for her as I feel they are part of her personal history. Of course they were made for personal gain but these tunes were not available anywhere else to most people, going to the states in the 70's was a bit of an expensive luxury. Bootleggers are always cynical but I was just trying to illustrate that there was a difference between buying vinyl bootlegs in the 70's and buying vinyl bootlegs today. Morals and Northern Soul - mmmmmmm .... perhaps a different topic. Its a matter of degrees really and the motives of the person involved. Sneaking a boot onto the decks trying to pass it off as an original is not the same thing as organising a soul night and openly playing your 70's boot collection (or 90's stardust for that matter). But this argument is always clouded by the arguments such as; its OK to play a boot if you have the original (which may be at home); its OK to play a carver of a one off if the owner of the one-off has cut it for you; you can play a carver cut from your own acetate, etc etc Making tapes was once said to be killing music but people sold them openly at venues right up to the 90's - bootlegging if we're being strict. Making CDs from your own records and passing them round - bootlegging Have you ever cut an mp3 and sent it to anyone? Modern day bootlegging.

I was going to say that too, whoever said originals have mattered since the beginning (or summat) is a tad wrong. When a record was discovered it was cut (booted?) onto emidisc or vinyl and given to a selected few DJs to hammer. Once a tune had gained popularity, certain folk started selling vinyl boots out of the back of their vans which is why there are loads around. Funny how they always had them ready when a tune went big isn't it? Originals have only mattered since expensive records became affordable to more people and people started bootlegging again because people seem stupid enough to pay 15 quid for a bit of vinyl with poor sound quality produced yesterday for about 3 quid. People bought vinyl boots in the 70's because vinyl was the medium of time and many people have a collection of them that they bought in their youth, if they want to play them out - so what? Purchasing boots of the stardust variety when better mediums are available is something I have never understood, there are better mediums available now. Playing vinyl bootlegs in this day and age at a venue is barking - they are heavy and you have to lug massive decks etc about to enable them to be played. Maybe people who organise this sort of thing perhaps want it to be nostalgic i.e. be similar to the events of their youth? To play the collection they have from their youth? Fair enough. The argument now is that people have spent loads of money on an original so you can't play the boot. What they are saying is that they respect the amount of money paid rather than the tune itself. This respect of the large expense of money is what leads to rich chaps buying records at any price just to become a DJ and be admired which leads to inflated record prices. I've always said you can get any record you want if you have enough money (and probably time) but that isn't collecting really. I like original 45's for what they are - historical artefacts - but if I want a tune to listen to I have it on CD or mp3 for my ipod, I've sold a lot of my records but still do occasionally play the small box full I kept. If I ever went to a rare/northern/insert current term soul night again I would prefer to go to somewhere that plays interesting tunes on OVO because I admire the fact that people have collected these historical artefacts and are still willing to play them to people who are interested. They don't necessarily have to be expensive records but when there are only a few of something, and some of the best tunes seem to be rare, then original vinyl can be expensive. But I'd rather not hear a bunch of dreary tunes just because they are shit rare and hideously expensive, or a set of tunes that are brilliant but everyone knows are all hideously expensive, which were obtained by just pulling out a wad of cash and paying whatever is necessary to get a box of records that the buyer thinks everyone will admire them for having. Does that all make sense? Who cares. Sorry I forgot the confession: I used to play my white label 70's pressing of Brenda Holloway - Reconsider whenever I could cos it was brilliant and I'd never get a proper one as it is unreleased. I've sold it now and it is one of the few records I miss, I've got the tune on CD and my ipod though. Sorry, I forgot the worst insult too! Here's a couple: "Have you got any Northern mate?" - to be said to a DJ halfway through his set. "Call yourself a DJ?" - to be said to a DJ after he politely tells you he hasn't got the request you have asked for in the 200 box of records he brought with him/her. Add descriptive expletive to end if desired and possibly another expletive before "DJ" for good measure. "The issue/demo is rarer/better sound quality/different take/half the price/twice the price" - can be said to anyone playing any record wherever, just delete the alternative that is not relevant. Richard Searling did that to me on air at Jazz FM.

Just a day left on these - some watchers but only one bidder on an original US bowling shirt.

A couple of original vintage Ben Sherman short sleeved shirts on eBay [here] Cheers Paul

I have one on my web site

Are you by any chance in temporary accommodation in Rotheram?

I said a similar thing in another thread a while back, i.e. if younger people are going to get into soul/raresoul/northern soul they are going to do it in their own way and certainly not involve a load of 50-plussers (that's age not just waist size). They should ban anyone over 30 as well, they'll have more fun that way. I often hope that wonder if a younger generation has already found the music and us older generation simply don't know about it yet, but that is unlikely in an age when you can view your children vomiting on facebook the day after a night out. Venues like function rooms? These are the ideal venues for the older crowd because they were the only ones available when we were younger, where our parents used to go, where they used to take us, so we are used to them. Wigan Casino was a ballroom and nighters sprang up from the entrepreneurial venue owners who found they could thus squeeze a second set of entrance fees in the same night and get round the licensing laws by calling it a members club. They couldn't provide alcohol but as you needed some help to stay up all night that didn't present a problem. The young have always been manipulated by the older generations. These days, the fact that the local workies is falling down around them doesn't seem to have registered with promoters, or put off punters, provided the dance floor hasn't warped too much. I doubt the original vinyl ethos will endure though, and why should it? The idea that for others to hear a tune played out someone has to lash out hundreds, even thousands of quid is a bit barking to be honest. Its certainly not going to catch on with a new audience anyway. It is only a relatively recent evolution of the scene that tunes played must be on OVO, something introduced so that collectors could protect the value of their collection and create demand as vinyl ceased to be the media of the moment. In the 70's the method was to find a record; cut some copies for other DJ's to play; press up a load of bootlegs ready for the demand; play the record a lot of times to break it; sell bootlegs from back of van or rear of Blues & Soul. Mind you, in the 70's, anyone over 30 going out on a night was called grandad. Same as now I suppose.

If the communication was done via ebay, report them to ebay, what they are doing is against ebay's rules. Even if it wasn't you should still report them, they have the option of setting a minimum price and didn't use it.

I think if people are willing to wait about 10 years, Northern Soul records will be quite affordable. Record prices are only sustained by a reasonable number of people wanting records and that won't last more than another decade IMHO. It will be like the US in the 70's and 80's - piles of unwanted records for people to go through for a quid each. Records that were 10 and 15 quid a few years ago are already like that now.

Noticed this hadn't been included; bettye swann - lonely love - money

A personal fave:

** THESE ARE NOW EITHER SOLD OR ON MY WEB SITE ** https://www.paulsrecords.com

Now that the original poster has got one I think it is OK to post this. I sold a mint- one the other week for 40 (listed it on here in sales), it went up to about 60 or 70 for a short while a couple of years ago I think. 90 is well OTT All IMHO

I've had an offer on Claude Baby Huey - Drifting of £150, I'll give it until Sunday 7pm if anyone wants to better that (told the person that has offered. At least a tenner more not £150.01 Cheers Paul P.S. Quite happy to listen to offers on the others if you think the price is too high.

THIS IS SOLD NOW, thanks. Steinways sound files and scans: oli2002.mp3 oli2002b.mp3

** THESE ARE NOW EITHER SOLD OR ON MY WEB SITE ** https://www.paulsrecords.com Some more sales, but first the detail: I accept cash (posted at your own risk), UK cheques, but prefer paypal (no extra charges). Postage (1-3 45s): Value up to £40 sent UK recorded - £2.20 Value £41 upwards sent UK special delivery - £5.60 Overseas will only be sent fully tracked and insured which costs about about £8.00 for insured over £40. All originals unless stated, conservative grading, money back if not happy. Happy to listen to offers, particularly if buying more than one record, but please don't just take the p*ss, I'm not a desperate seller. Sound files for most of these will be in refosoul, if you need an actual soundfile from a 45 drop me a pm and I'll do one (a soundfile that is). Kenny Shepard - What Difference Does It Make - Maxx 332 (Promo) - VG+ 100 Plays well, label scratched max332.mp3 Geno Washington - Like My Baby (Vocal)/I'll Be Around - Atac 7823 - M- 125 Marv Johnson - Come On And Stop - United Artists 617 - VG+ 50 Plays well, fine for DJing uni617.mp3 Intertains - Need Your Love/Glad I Found You - Uptown 729 WLP - VG+ SOLD This would be mint- but when I just looked at it closely I noticed a small edge crack, I couldn't hear it when I played it but it is there. Really annoying as I was going to list it at 125! There's a slight storage warp in it and a few marks on the label. upt729.mp3 Sam Dees - Fragile, Handle With Care - Atlantic 3287 - Ex 80 Bobby Angelle - Too Much For You - Money 128 - M- 175 Rhonda Davis - Can You Remember - Duke 473 - Ex+ 225 Skip Jackson - I'm Onto You Girl - Dot-Mar 324 - M- 200 Claude "Baby" Huey - Drifting - MIOB 1283 M- 200 Continental Showstoppers - Not Too Young - Seventy 7 107 - M- 200 From last list (some reduced): Joe And George - No One Loves You / I'm Gonna Miss You - Now 4 Ex- 40 Superb double sider (sounds not from my copy) Major Lance - Investigate - Okeh 7250 WITH PICTURE SLEEVE! Vinyl M- Pic Sleeve VG 40 Pic sleeve is pretty clean but has been sellotaped (neatly!) round edges Martha Starr - No Part Time Love For Me - Thelma 111 M- SOLD The Steinways - You've Been Leading Me On - Oliver 2002 PROMO - VG+ SOLD This side Plays really well, the b side is not in as good condition. Sound files are in next post (hopefully - having trouble posting them here) Ike & Tina Turner - Dust My Broom - Tangerine 967 - VG++ (label wear) 30 25 Orange first issue Kim Weston - I'm Still Loving You - Tamla 54110 - M- SOLD Gloria Gaynor - This Love Affair - Polydor 14472 WLP - Ex 30 Major Lance - Ain't No Soul (In These Old Shoes) - Okeh 7266 - M- 25 Large 45 original Harold Burrage - More Power To You - M-Pac 7229 - M- 20 Ruth Brown - Mama (He Treats Your Daughter Mean) - Phillips 40056 WLP - VG+++ 25 The Invitations - They Say The Girl's Crazy - Silver Blue 801- Ex+ 25 Marv Johnson - With All That's In Me - UA 423 - Ex- 40 Garnet Mimms - Prove It To Me - UA 995 - Ex+ 20 Oscar Perry - He Sent Me You - Mercury 73408 - Ex+ 30 Bobby Sheen - Something New To Do - Warner Brothers 7662 WLP - Ex+ 50 Two X's on b side label - this is not the bootleg WLP Jackey Beavers - Bring Me All Of Your Heartaches - Grandland 19000 - M- 70 The Lyrics - So Glad - GNP Crescendo 381 - M- 50 Vontastics - I'll Never Say Goodbye - Satellite 2002 DJ Copy VG+ 75 The Soul City - Cold Hearted Blues/Who Do You Think You Are - Good Time 802 DJ Copy M- 150 125 Thanks for looking, pm me or email paul {at} paulsrecords {dot} com to reserve or with any questions.

THIS IS ON NOW SOLD, THANKS I'm going to put this up for offers over £150, please read the condition bit before getting in touch. Houston Outlaws - Ain't No Telling/Uncle Ed's Back Yard - Westbound 179 Promo in Company sleeve Condition: This looks and plays mint-, however if you look really closely at it there is a line about 3/4 inch to an inch long that appears on both sides from the start edge of the runout into the playing surface. It isn't a crack, it looks like it may be a fault in the pressing so it could become a crack in time. I've had this for about 8 years and played it out on occasion. As I said it looks and plays mint- other than this line. Thanks for looking, pm me or email paul {at} paulsrecords {dot} com to reserve or with any questions. Sound file: wes179.mp3 Scan:

Some more sales, but first the detail: I accept cash (posted at your own risk), UK cheques, but prefer paypal (no extra charges). Postage (1-3 45s): Value up to £40 sent UK recorded - £2.20 Value £41 upwards sent UK special delivery - £5.60 Overseas will only be sent fully tracked and insured which costs about about £8.00 for insured over £40. All originals unless stated, conservative grading, money back if not happy. Happy to listen to offers, particularly if buying more than one record, but please don't just take the p*ss, I'm not a desperate seller. Sound files for most of these will be in refosoul, if you need an actual soundfile from a 45 drop me a pm and I'll do one (a soundfile that is). Joe And George - No One Loves You / I'm Gonna Miss You - Now 4 Ex- 40 Superb double sider Major Lance - Investigate - Okeh 7250 WITH PICTURE SLEEVE! Vinyl M- Pic Sleeve VG 40 Pic sleeve is pretty clean but has been sellotaped (neatly!) round edges Martha Starr - No Part Time Love For Me - Thelma 111 M- 80 The Steinways - You've Been Leading Me On - Oliver 2002 PROMO - VG+ 125 Plays really well Ike & Tina Turner - Dust My Broom - Tangerine 967 - VG++ (label wear) 30 Orange first issue Bobby Treetop - Wait Till I Get To Know you - Tuff 417 - VG+++ SOLD (label damage and sticker) Valentinos - Sweeter Than The Day Before - Chess 1977 - M- SOLD Kim Weston - I'm Still Loving You - Tamla 54110 - M- 60 Gloria Gaynor - This Love Affair - Polydor 14472 WLP - Ex 30 Bobby Adams - You Get Next To Me Baby - Pilma 887 - Ex SOLD Major Lance - Ain't No Soul (In These Old Shoes) - Okeh 7266 - M- 25 Large 45 original Harold Burrage - More Power To You - M-Pac 7229 - M- 20 Robert Parker - I Caught You In A Lie - Nola 738 - Ex 40 SOLD Ruth Brown - Mama (He Treats Your Daughter Mean) - Phillips 40056 WLP - VG+++ 25 The Invitations - They Say The Girl's Crazy - Silver Blue 801- Ex+ 25 Marv Johnson - With All That's In Me - UA 423 - Ex- 40 Garnet Mimms - Prove It To Me - UA 995 - Ex+ 20 Oscar Perry - He Sent Me You - Mercury 73408 - Ex+ 30 Bobby Sheen - Something New To Do - Warner Brothers 7662 WLP - Ex+ 50 Two X's on b side label - this is not the bootleg WLP Jackey Beavers - Bring Me All Of Your Heartaches - Grandland 19000 - M- 70 The Lyrics - So Glad - GNP Crescendo 381 - M- 50 Vontastics - I'll Never Say Goodbye - Satellite 2002 DJ Copy VG+ 75 The Soul City - Cold Hearted Blues/Who Do You Think You Are - Good Time 802 DJ Copy M- 150 Thanks for looking, pm me or email paul {at} paulsrecords {dot} com to reserve or with any questions.

I just thought that for post number one (or possibly 2) on this board "please value these 100 records" seemed a bit lazy. So I was being sardonic (which I thought was obvious but evidently it wasn't). Well done to people who had enough free time and the inclination to put values to 100 well known records, I haven't got either (particularly the second one).

I think you'd be better off buying a price guide

I'd forgotten I'd banned myself from freebasing.

Oh dear! Keep digging if you want but you're on your own.

Now that you're sorted ... ... all those with one to sell ought to put them on ebay, I got $97 for mine recently - it seems to be in demand

Respect to you! Anyone who calls Keb a comedy mod is a brave man in my book. ( err ... and wrong obviously - I'm not agreeing here, no sirreee! )