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Quite agree. There's also a lot of records that start off relatively cheap and then go up in price as everybody decides they must have one. Buying what you like rather than what you think you should have does help build a collection of records that might be very valuable but didn't cost you an arm and a leg. My Cam Cameron - They Say cost me about $26 because it wasn't in demand when I found it on eBay after hearing it from John Weston's box when he was round my house. There's plenty of examples like that. It isn't a class thing either, some people save up for ages or go without other things for records. I can't afford to buy £1000 records so I pick up what I like and enjoy. I have a budget and I try and supplement it by buying and selling records. The idea that nobody can be a DJ without having loads of money is just farcical, as is the idea that somebody with loads of money can automatically be a good DJ. I sometimes think that if I could afford every record I wanted or just paid silly money for anything I fancied it would take the fun out of it.

I'm afraid you've got me all wrong, I was trying to point out that different people want different things so different people try to put on different nights to cater for all these different needs. My feeling is that none of them are wrong but sometimes people put on something that the people who turn up don't want and vice versa. But I'll answer your comments one by one. You said: youre posting was intended as an attack on me it wasn't intended as "an attack" on you it was an answer to your idea that DJ's have lost their roots somehow by not playing your requests. There isn't any need to get angry as this is just a discussion. You said: unlike you I try to appreciate what other people want You don't know me, you have never met me so please don't make comments on what I'm like. You said: Rather than get upetty and look down on people who would like to hear something that takes them back to happy day's, I hope I could explain to them that what I have got is my own personal collection that I payed for it with my own money for my own enjoyment and I brought them along in the hope that other people would enjoy them too. Best of luck to you. That isn't what you said in your post though, you were complaining that you were asking for club soul and motown records and the DJ wouldn't play them. If you "offer" is that you'll play anything people ask for and you advertise it as a Northern Soul night it will be interesting to see how you feel when someone comes up and asks for Flash Mckinley (insert any record you don't own or haven't got with you) and you tell them you haven't got it. Stand by for "Call yourself a DJ?" "What the f*** are you doing behind the decks?" etc etc If your "offer" is that you are going to play from your own collection in the hope that people like what you like, you might want think waht you're going to do if you find they don't. Comments such as "How long are you going to go on playing this ************ sh*te for?" are normally heard at this point. For the asterisks please insert any of "modern/northern/70's/60's/f**king/motown. You said: If you think you have the right answer to what people should hear when they go out why don't you set up your own venue and see if other people agree with you. Without wishing to seem arrogant, I already have and they did. I didn't have "the right answer" because there isn't one. The night I was involved with had a specific offer tailored to a specific audience and it worked. We still got people in every week who moaned about it or thought it was something else but happily they were outnumbered about 50 to 1. I still remember being asked " Can you play something by the doors?" ...... ....... my answer was "no mate, we'd have to move the decks"

I think this sums up the differences here, i.e. what people think a DJ is. To some people a DJ is somebody paid to stand behind the decks (or whatever) and play whatever keeps the floor full regardless of their own personal taste. To be honest anybody can do that if they have enough money to buy a box of tunes that are well known to fill a floor (or use mp3s or bootlegs of the same tunes). In fact I'd go so far as say it is a piece of p*ss. What this audience is expecting is some sort of Northern Soul jukebox where said DJ has every record they ask for and will play it. I don't know a single DJ who hasn't at some time been asked for a record and then abused because they don't have it with them/don't own it/wouldn't play it anyway. It is this audience where a laptop full of mp3s would be ideal. I've done the odd set to this sort of audience and at the end felt like some sort of prostitute (and been verbally abused) - never again. To other people (me included) a DJ is somebody who is going to play tunes they have personally chosen and believe will get people dancing. It might not always work but it is their personality and choice of tunes that make the set and the DJ and what makes people turn up to hear them play a set - they wouldn't really know exactly what they were going to get until they listened and that is the attraction. If you are going to events where "two can have a party' marvin & Tammi" isn't and wouldn't get played - its not the DJ at fault its you - you're at the wrong do.

Before there was a means of recording music it was only played live and so every time you heard the same thing it was different, it was of the moment. There was no means of taking the music away with you to play again and again. Perhaps that's the way it was meant to be and recording music made it somehow a duller experience? Too much wine I think, time for bed

Cheers, glad you liked it. I'm enjoying the virtual DJ aspect of mix cloud. Nobody asks you for the snake and every set goes down well with the audience of one R&B next I think.

To be honest he seems to have collected the Lps for completeness rather than for the music contained within them. If you interview most collectors they can tell you what they cherish most, what the "gems" are in their collection. He seems to have a passion for collecting rather than for the music. I've tried the completeness thing with collecting the first 100 Uk Motown LPs and I'm afraid I got bored with it, I didn't realise how many sh*t LPs Motown released in the UK. Just because people don't share your obvious admiration for the guy there's no need to be abusive. Enjoy the exhibition.

Why am I always out for those sales lists that have something I want on them?

This had me dancing about last night: https://www.mixcloud.com/paultp/20-bloke-tunes-in-a-set/

A couple of not often seen Motown demos: Junior Walker & The All Stars - Tune Up / Do The Boomerang - Soul 35012 Ex+ 50 Earl Van Dyke & The Soul Brothers - How Sweet It Is / I Can't Help Myself - Soul 35014 Ex 20 Postage extra, PayPal OK, happy to listen to sensible offers. Scans:

We used to quite often finish These Old Shoes with this: Dells - Make Sure

Well, there's nothing wrong with thinking that, it's just that some people want to hear the actual records. Sometimes they want to look at them as well, perhaps occasionally hold them in their hands and even caress them. Of course you can be a great DJ using any format you want, but for a lot of people what they want is for someone to be a great DJ with original issue records that they have gone out and found and actually own. They've chosen the records from the many available, over time put them into a collection then selected some of their favourites, that they think other people will like/want to hear and tried to play them in an order that sounds good and gets people to dance. Thus they've put some of their own personality into sourcing and then playing those records. Well, those are the people I would want to hear DJing, not someone who could select a load of easily available tunes and play them one after the other for people to dance to. Its just not the same, might as well go to a "Disco" whatever that is.

Mmm... interesting sartorial option That forum looks quite interesting too, I noticed someone describing themselves as "Soul Source Migrant"

The seller (count769) of the one that just ended on eBay at $777 (but reserve not met) seems to do that with a lot of good records. If you look through his completed items there are loads with reserve not met. I was high bidder on a copy of The Phonetics - Pretty Girl with him but the reserve was not met. He then bombarded me with emails trying to sell it to me at silly prices. He is still listing it every so often, either at a silly price BIN or with a reserve that won't be met. I wonder if he has got sellers disease - where you can't sell a record in case you might get a better price for it next week.

My recent sales list and others are now going up on ebay [here] Thanks Paul

Putting these up on eBay now, they should appear [here] over the next day or so. Thanks Paul

I sold mine a year ago for £150, somebody said that was cheap, somebody else said it was expensive.

Russ, I think it is pretty much two scenes now; one for those that really care about records, like the background info and who want to dance, see their mates, hear new sounds and discuss records etc, and one for those that are just out to have a dance and see their mates. The people who are "record" people know where to go and who to listen to, who has the records and who doesn't. If I still went out there are only a few places I would want to visit. If the scene has split like this, then the "record" side is still underground and exclusive, it needs knowledge to gain respect, people still travel to hear certain DJ sets and tunes. If all the general public see of Northern Soul is pensioners in baggy trousers whirling around to the Dooleys then hopefully they will laugh at it and turn to something else. That will keep the "record" side of it hidden. It might be worth giving up the title to keep the record side of things exclusive. Dunno, I might have it all wrong, these days I just stay in and play records to myself.

That actually is quite impressive. Maybe the NS scene is missing the point? perhaps this is where the search for new tunes leads to? mixing and adding your own flavour. Maybe best not to go there!

Can you imagine trying to cue up a cassette tape? I'd certainly pay to see that and applaud anyone who managed it.

An important aspect to that was that vinyl was the medium of the time which is why re-issues, boots etc were on vinyl. This continued into the 70's as cassette singles weren't popular until the 80's (source wikipedia). People recorded music from records onto cassettes to share the tunes, home recording was a very new thing at the time. Early (I refuse to use the words "back in the day") "name" DJ's regularly played new tunes on emidisc which cut from the only copy of a record available so that it would receive exposure. Frequently this was a mechanism to make a tune popular to create a market for already manufactured bootlegs. New tunes were the bedrock of the scene, original records were not. The format of today is digital music so playing music from laptops (or other device) is the norm despite a minority demand for vinyl releases as a retro format. So I understand people playing sets from mp3. I also understand why many collections from the 70's consist of a lot of bootlegs - it was the only way to get a tune at the time on the format of the time and many people didn't know the difference between boots and originals. 70's bootlegs probably have some provenance now as far as the history of Northern Soul is concerned. But I do not understand why people pay £10 plus for recently made bootlegs? Why bother being ripped off for a sub standard sound on outdated media? I get a kick out of playing a newly acquired original issue record - though some may consider that sad. I enjoy playing music from CD and mp3 too, but I don't think I'd get any pleasure from buying or playing a modern boot. Anyway, I'm rambling now and I've got work to do.

Although it pains me to keep an OVO v notOVO thread going (and repeating something I've said before): What if the mp3s were recorded directly from the person's own collection and he/she held up said originals whilst the music was playing? It would certainly preserve the records.

The thing is; those that care about original vinyl (and I'm one) have a scene that caters for that. If people want to run nights playing mp3s and people attend that just want to hear the music - so what? I'm not bothered that people like the music and don't care about the format, its entirely their choice. Personally I'd want to hear someone play records from their collection but I don't see why I should force this opinion onto people who don't see it that way.

I'm not sure which is more shocking; the music or the fact that someone spent their time making that model.

A few things to go: PM me or ptp [at] just7.co.uk Paypal is fine (preferred as a gift) Postage: £2.20 UK recorded £6.00 UK special delivery Overseas - whatever tracked and insured is. Satisfactions - Take It or Leave It - Smash 2098 VG (maybe VG+) 75 or offers Rarer issue in company sleeve This has a few pops and crackles, a bit of distortion at the start but otherwise plays really well. There are a lot of light marks and one that looks worse. The label is faded round the edges had has a sticker mark on the b side - it looks like somebody has cleaned it with something errr... strong! Less than half book price Collins and Collins - Top Of The Stairs - A&M 2233 Issue Ex (small wol) 100 or offers This has a second or so of cue burn (noise in one channel) right at the start but is clean after that. Rarer issue. Richard Berry - Have Love Will Travel - Flip 349 Ex 35 Nice clean vinyl, a few marks on label. https://www.divshare....ad/19829184-f33 Ike & Tina Turner - Dust My Broom - Tangerine 967 Vg+ (plays Ex) 25 Classic on a 1st issue. A lot of light marks, ring wear on label and a spot of gold paint. Billy Stewart - A Fat Boy Can Cry - Chess 1888 VG 12 Tough to pick up, plays with some surface noise https://www.divshare....ad/19829358-27d Some things from previous lists (reduced): Jay Holman - Love Is A Sweet Thing - Falew - VG+ 20 15 The odd mark that clicks, small wol, "demo" sticker on b side https://www.divshare....ad/19376124-1a3 Carl Hall - My Baby's So Good - Mercury - VG (plays almost mint) 30 25 Has a tight crack from the edge to the middle that doesn't seem to be heard apart from a click at the start. At least half price https://www.divshare....ad/19376112-658 Jeff Perry - Love Don't Come No Stronger - Arista 133 - Vg+ 15 10 This looks mint- but closer inspection reveals a pressing flaw which may develop into a crack. Plays Mint- https://www.divshare....ad/19358305-e74 Tyrone Barkley - Man Of Value - Midsong 1016 - Ex 25 20 Slight dish warp nap, very slight label wear https://www.divshare....ad/19358377-a11 Billy Butler - Right Track - Okeh 7245 - VG 25 20 See the scan and have a listen! Plays well for grade https://www.divshare....ad/19358318-46f The Gainors - This Is A Perfect Moment - Talley Ho 102 - Ex 40 30 Garnett Mimms apparently, sticker on b side https://www.divshare....ad/19358344-2ec Arlene Smith - Good Girls - Spectorious 150 - Ex - 40 30 Tear on label https://www.divshare....ad/19358310-e87

Well ... I like OVO .... But I also like mp3s ... But which is best?