Roburt

I find it frustrating that there is much more documented info on the UK backing group (the Noblemen / Motivation) involved with these tours than there is about the soul acts they backed up ... but then, I guess their members are still around to ask - though why no one seems to have asked them about the US acts they supported or their impressions of the clubs (Gliderdrome, Wheel, Mojo, Tiles, Marqee, etc) I can't think ... SO FRUSTRATING ... A pic from 66 of the Noblemen ...

Everyone on here has slightly different interests ... as I reach my 70's, I am getting overly nostalgic & keep looking back to the 60's through rose coloured glasses. I like to read of old clubs I attended or knew about ... about old soul records I knew / owned back then ... BUT .. my main interest is in details on soul acts. I like to research artist bio's & find out some of the many curious events that they endured down the years of their career ... the missed opportunities (at least 3 male singers on the 60's Balto soul claim it was they that was 1st asked by Otis Redding to travel down to Memphis to cut "Sweet Soul Music") ... the rip offs (managers running off with their gig money or record company advance) .... the double dealing (a beautiful female singer who had to sleep with an agent to get a try out with Stevie Wonder's Wonderlove backing singers) .. ETC ETC. I get really frustrated that the vast majority of such data is just about totally lost to us now (the singer having passed away or lost his memory, the venues closed & demolished, the old TV video tape lost / thrown away or taped over, the recording master tapes of unissued soul rotted away before anyone got the chance to listen to them) ... BUT lots of info relating to US soul acts is difficult to get coz US media largely ignored them & their exploits till the end of the 60's and so, the detail was never really documented in the 1st place. I can (sort of) understand that ... why would a US music TV show host know who / what The Stones were on about when told they'd only appear on his show if they had Howling Wolf with them. WHAT REALLY GETS MY GOAT THOUGH is the vast amount of lost knowledge of the exploits of US soul artists here in the UK. AS AN EXAMPLE .... take the case of Alvin Robinson ... maybe he didn't have any big pop hits but he was a mainstream artist who had years of success (in later years, in even toured the US as part of Dr. John's live band ... but little or nobody sat him down & asked him about his career in detail) ... Alvin had his first UK 45 release in 1964 (Pye International), this was followed by "Fever" on Red Bird later that same year. Jump forward to summer 66 and he had a high profile release on the UK indie STRIKE RECORDS ... so by September 66 he had established a decent profile with UK soul fans. I guess his US manager (Joe Jones) came to a deal with the guys at STRIKE and a UK tour was organised. This ran for a number of weeks and featured a good few major shows at top venues ... HOWEVER ... most of the info on that tour now seems totally lost to us ... Never mind, what Alvin made of the UK, the clubs he played, the British band that backed him up, the food, the travel arrangements, the digs, the soul fans he met here, ETC. All I've been able to establish is that he arrived here in September 66 and Roy Tempest selected the Noblemen (Motivation) to back him up on his dates (they had just backed up the Vibrations & Edwin Starr on similar UK gigs & would follow on by doing the same job behind the Coasters here). Included in the gigs the ensemble played were shows in Boston (the Gliderdrome), Birmingham (2 nights at the Cedar Club) and a show at Newcastle University (in early November). But just about everything else about his time in the UK now seems to be gone for good. ..... Did he do a London show ? Did he get a reception from Strike Records, was he provided with copies of his newish UK 45 to hand out as promo items, were any press / radio interviews organised for him, do any photos exist of him in the UK (performing or otherwise) ... NO IDEA AT ALL !!! SUCH IS LIFE I GUESS.

Many UK T/Mot 45's were pressed up over an extended period by EMI from 66 to around 1970 ... Motown fans discovering old UK released 45's and requesting copies from their local record shop + extended club plays for many releases meant the demand for numerous T/Mot went on for an extended period. I would guess this single falls into that category ... ... I BELIEVE .. that if any UK copies of TMG560 exist without the 'SOLD IN THE UK SUBJECT TO ..' notation, then they will be later pressed items ... .... anyone know the date when EMI dropped this text from their 45 releases ??

The sleeve of the US LP that the above mentioned 45 EP was lifted from .. ... of course, later on ... the BBC Record Dept. also got in on the act when they used the title for one their albums ...

Many on here seem to have used this thread to take unnecessary pops at DG .... I'm loath to give them further ammunition to vent their misguided opinions ... BUT ... found this on-line ... the incident I highlight dates from March 67 ... when did Dave start using KEEP THE FAITH ??? ........

If you're also interested in info on Bull & El Capalaras ... you need to get the upcoming issue of SOUL UP NORTH.

Ady, is this late 68 proposal (detailed in Record World), the label that eventually (some months later) emerged as Deep Soul Records ??? ....

DG always had great taste in music. Around summer 1985, I skipped off work over a lunchtime & went to listen to him talk about soul music at a Sheffield museum. Chatted with him afterwards & gave him a tape of some new tracks Lou Ragland had just sent me on a 12" test press. About a week later, I got a letter from Dave saying how much he loved one of the tracks (MAKING LOVE) .... time moved on & even though it was still a very rare track , it became a top anthem on the London 2-Step scene (1990) ...

A selection of front page extracts ... from 65, 66 & 67 ....

The front page always featured some good stuff .... the inside pages even more .... From 68 & 69 ... I can't remember seeing the ad in any other record mag .... that 45 by the Miami based group also escaped in the UK of course ...

I've been using it for about a year now ... they have lots of ads that didn't appear in Cashbox & Billboard ... plus very different new release reviews & more ... it's good just a select a particular issue & scan thru it ... you find allsorts of great soul related stuff ...

Inially, you chased UK released stuff ... when those copies dried up, you bought import copies of stuff that you knew from UK release ... then postal dealers started selling (by auction) loads of US imports that hadn't gained UK release. I'd scan the lists for artists I knew, or labels I knew and buy blind, bidding low values for each ... I seem to recall the bids started as low as 2/6 (12p) ... I'd win some of em, not others ... some I won would be great (I liked all soul, fast, slow, funk, southern, Detroit, New York, LA), so it was easy for me as I had wide tastes. Others would be dross but overall, it was worth bidding in that style (I got Slow Fizz -- the Sapphires early on but never liked it much coz of the stupid lyrics, so I sold it on). Not long after this, outlets such as Soul City and F L Moores were selling imports by the box load, I also started to get lists from a NY area vinyl warehouse where stuff on little labels started at 10c, Motown / Stax at 25c ... again I'd buy lots of stuff blind. Then around 1970, Contempo started selling loads of imports, many being US copies of in-demand club tracks ... so it was possible to get hold of 'rare stuff' (by mid 70's standards) but it was very much a hit & miss affair with you picking up a Tobi Legend, Valentinos, Spooners Crowd, Reuben Wright, Steve Mancha by chance more than design.

AND MORE FROM 74 ....

There was loads of good jazz funk around in 74 too ....

Gladys Knight & the Pips won the 1974 Top Pop 45 Act Award .... not much change from 73 ....

AND OF COURSE .... there were all the many great soul singles (& album tracks) that didn't make the top 50 pop or soul charts ..... many deserved to but just didn't get the promotion they deserved ....

We usually think that the 60's produced a lot of the best soul music ... BUT COMMERCIALLY ... 1974 was very good for soul acts ... They were touring the world on the back of international hits, they'd broken Vegas, they were being signed by the majors & were getting decent promotion ... so the hits just kept coming ...

Why wouldn't he think we wanted his 70's hits ... after all in 74 he was No.1 with Billboard mag ....

Andre, if you could tell us more about Vic's music career (or hook us up with him direct via an e-mail contact address), then I could forward some relevant questions and using the info write an article on him to go up on here & in a UK soul magazine. CHEERS.

Another instro I recall being played around 67 (but my memory is shot these days so ...) ... . .. Bobby Moore & Rhy Aces -- Hey Mr DJ (B side to SEARCHIN FOR MY BABY). Anyone confirm if my recall is correct ??

Much of the background info in the section of the above book on Jnr Walker's night at the Wheel seems to have been a straight 'lift' from my chapter in 'THE IN CROWD' book about my first visit to the Wheel (only went then coz the Mojo was about to / did close). The 'author' even had the cheek to use a scan of my Wheel ticket from that night (also used, but with my permission, in THE IN CROWD).

TWO IN THE MORNING by SPOONER'S CROWD always does it for me. BUT REALLY any of their 60's / 70's southern soul or country soul outings as just about everyone of them is good to great.

The song was included on a UK Epic 12" single ... I think it was one of six songs mixed into one continuous cut on the B side of "I Gave It Up". No idea how long a segment of this track was included in the mega mix though. No doubt, Sam had it cut onto a carver for his use (from this or the full LP track.

It would be a total waste if he doesn't perform his many 70's solo anthems ... they're classics in the same way that his 60's Motown songs were ... BUT you get to hear the REAL ARTIST perform the 70's stuff so much more authentic ... MIND YOU ... as I'll be at Cleggy anyway, the opportunities to see him will be much diminished.

Lou Ragland will be around as he's performing on the live show ..... ....... I'll see if he thinks it would be worthwhile for him to fetch a few rekkids along to sell to visiting UK soulies ... WOULD HE GET A TABLE GRATIS if he did turn up ... He's a bit disappointed that he's only been contracted to sing 2 songs on the live show .... (not too hard to guess which two).