Roburt

Watched some of this episode & it's piece on how the dance scene moved from the UK to Ibiza & then to Vegas ... That is correct & the show states how great the scene was in Vegas ... BUT NO MENTION OF THE FACT THAT ... it was the Casinos who quickly jumped on the dance music bandwagon there. In doing so, many converted their music lounge rooms into discos. The main consequence of that was that performers such as Sonny Charles, Bobby Wade, Lou Ragland and the like lost the venues that used to employ them. Most changes bring good but on the back of that comes a downside. I used to visit Vegas most years but with the live soul shows giving way to 'rave nights', there was no reason for me to go that far anymore.

No doubt Stuart's new book will be another good read ... got his earlier books but haven't gotten round to reading 67 or 68 yet ... ... ... ... a quick question ... a major change in the world of soul occurred between 67 & 70; the demise of the big chitlin circuit theatres (the Royal, the Howard, etc) ... only the Apollo seemed to hang on. With the end of these smaller venues (500 or so), the 7 night engagements for acts ended and they moved to a single night concert in front of an audience of 3000 to 5000 (in venues such as Madison Sq Gardens or Baltimore Civic Centre). The big groups still made decent money as the headliners at these massive venues but the number of shows available for smaller acts just starting out was reduced massively. This led to a big reduction in the opportunities for new acts to break through in many cities. Lots of the acts also started playing more white venues (supper clubs & Atlantic City / Vegas casinos) where (in general) they were treated better (dressing rooms, food, set-up assistance, general conditions). Does Stuart touch on this aspect of the soul scene at all in any of these 3 books ??

I'm sure it won't be of any interest to you but his UK club biggie was released here on London on 3rd Nov 67 ... the same week that Oscar Toney's "Lead Your Woman To The Altar", a Mitch Ryder 45 (also on Stateside), Barbara Randolf's "I Get A Feeling" & Joe Simon's "The Girl's Alright With Me" came out here ...

Loads of info about tracks that Jerry O & Sammy Kaplan had connections to in this piece on the net (though it's in French, so needs translating) ... https://soul-in-groove.eklablog.com/sammy-kaplan-jerry-o-story-a136938294 Loads of conflicting info on him on the web ... for instance ... he was born in January 1931 OR in October 39 ... not much difference there then.

Can't help much, but The Metro St. Louis Live Music Historical Society describe Tom and Jerrio + Jerry-O as the St. Louis' "Boogaloo" Kings.

Whatever you wanna type, I'll still count them as a bootleg outfit.

Lou Ragland is back in a Vegas recording studio once again .... this time though, he's cutting new tracks on Cecil Jenkins ... originally from Norfolk ... ... so you just know he's worked in the past with the likes of Frank Guida and Lenis Guess ... one of Cecil / Sesil's old tracks from those days ...

On DISCOGS it states ... Canadian reissue label known for quasi-legitimate reissue 45s (mastered from existing vinyl records; it occasionally issued singles with odd artist and/or song pairings) .... seems they SOMETIMES got licenses to reissue stuff (old Elvis Presley RCA tracks) but many times put out stuff that it would have been almost impossible to track down the copyright owners ... As some have stated above, I'll also keep viewing many of their soul 45's as bootlegs.

Seems that Al Green has been tempted back into the recording studio. The first track to escape sounds like vintage MEAN AL GREEN to me ... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07H5CZVCM?ref=dmm_ocar_PR_algreen_beforethene_91318 Don't bother going to Youtube to watch the so-called promotional video for the track, coz you'll hear exactly zero seconds of it ...

Not Latin at all really but has the same jazzy dance feel as many of the sides posted above ... love this type of flute led instro ...

The lady can sing too ...

This upcoming movie looks interesting. For instance, the soundtrack uses classic Motown songs and one of the stars (Cynthia Erivo, who plays 60's soul singer Darleen Sweet) sings a new (very different) version of "THIS OLD HEART OF MINE" ... plus the movie's theme song is a stripped down version of the Isley's old track ... . . . . the official trailer for the film includeds a snippet of the new version of the song (about a minute into the clip) ...

If you want to know more about Valerie and her long career as a songwriter ... https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/songwriters-should-be-prepared-to-go-through-a-lot-of-stuff-to-get-to-the-real-thing/

Yes, they're husband & wife and came to the UK to perform together (& solo).

I posted some of myself on Page 3 of this thread (but not from back in the 70's).

Well Greg Perry was involved with the B side cut .. AND ... he was also involved with the Mark V Unlimited 45 on the label, so I guess he'd be the best person to go to. I spent quite a bit of time chatting with Greg @ Cleggy about 4 years back ... this subject never came up though. SORRY.

John Alexander (the film maker) tried to get the Hamburg screening tied in with the Hamburg Film Festival (which starts at the end of this month), but unfortunately he had missed their deadline date ... so the weekender guys truly have to be commended ...

I bought such a white denim jacket in the early 70's (it was cheap), can't recall if it was Levi or Wrangler though. It was made of the same denim as their usual jackets (not paper-thin). Being white it wasn't very practical, so I dyed it yellow but didn't like the colour too much. Then dyed it again, using blue dye, turned out a great military green. A few years later, when it shrunk (honest guy, I didn't put weight on), my daughter nicked it and happily wore it for a number of years.

I'll be at both, as will Cliff Steele.

The poster for the film screenings ...

Seems dozens of labels used that design ... here's just 3 of them ...

He's known (in part) for his rare 45's on Chicago labels ... BUT he had no connection to Chicago at all (apart from being road manager for Chicago's Curtis Mayfield in the 70's). Seems his contacts sent copies of new tracks he'd cut to DJ's from the Windy City ... Don didn't get any bites back in NJ / NY for their release ... so (unbeknown to him), some of his stuff was put out without his knowledge on Chicago labels ... It's a funny old world. I asked him if he had anything to do with the Mr. G label (it put out one of his 45's ) ... GARDNER ... MR. G ... he seemed really surprised by my question and his answer was NO .. he didn't even have the slightest idea who owned / ran Mr .G .. ME, I'd still like to get a copy of his Swedish cut & released 45 & LP ... they date back to when he was based in that country for a number of months (64).

A few Cheetah related bits ...

Back in 82/83, I used to do some work for Move Records out of Edinburger ... They were always being sent indie soul 45's by US outfits wanting a UK licensing deal. Can't remember the other label involved, but there was a popular US 45 about at the time with a label featuring a sunset type scene. Imagine my surprise when Alan sent me copies of 2 new US 45's on the Balt based BEVNIK label. They used the exact same label scene on their singles ...

thread amended (due to my brain being switched off when I originally posted) .. HAMBURG ...