Roburt

The cross-dressing Jerri / Jerry Jones .... .. down in Miami from Ohio (though she wasn't originally from there) ... .... a right PAL (associated with BRA) ....

Bob, a few days ago you asked me about Miami groups I wanted details on (been away watching William Bell, so couldn't answer then) .......... ANYWAY .... My original comment wasn't about any particular group .... but there seem to be lots of male & female Miami / Florida based 60's group that we don't know who the members were or when people came & went in their line-ups. Singers who went solo, such as the likes of Snoopy Dean, Paul Kelly, Annette Snell, Clarence Reid we know about which group they came out of coz they were written about during their solo years ... but lots of other local groups seemed to have very high profiles on the local 'white show room' & 'black' club scene without much of anything being known in detail about them. I know Jeff Leimlich's site contains good info, but there are still big gaps. When I asked about Jerry / Jerri Jones little seemed to be known about her time down in Miami (except the info I got from Jerry Williams who produced her Miami tracks) ...ALSO .... Kim Tolliver was an everpresent on the Miami club scene for a few years but nothing much is known about her time there (she was even billed as Kim Tarver for a few months after a type setters error). Not too much is known about another Cleveland guy that had a group down there; Billy Wells (who fronted the Invaders / Outer Limits). His exploits back up in Cleveland are known about ... but not too much (I believe) after he relocated to Miami. But there are numerous other artists (Helen Glover for instance) and groups I'd like to know more about.

I woudn't try anifin on that there Tamla-Toytown label .... that's just a later rip-off of Stateside which was a real OVO label .... the uda un (T/Mot) came after so cain't be OVO .... Same with Atlantic & Stax ... only try playing out wiv London-American label stuff ... And as for Chess ... nope, can only play a US Chess track on UK if its on a Pye International R&B series logo 45.

BTW, in addition to no Fish sorting out the Modern Room .... Different guys organizing the radio (if there will indeed be a radio stn next time) ... ... seems we will not get Bernie O'Brien's great backing band & singers supporting the live acts either. LOTS of changes then for the 'New' Prestatyn !!!

Do you like cruisin ???? Are you a soul fan ??? WELL if you said YES to both the above questions read this .... Jeffrey Osborne may not be a fan of cruises, but he is a fan of Don Cornelius. So much so that the former L.T.D. frontman had no trouble signing on for his first "Soul Train Cruise" in light of one strong reason. "It is Don Cornelius. That really inspired me, just being a part of it because it's the first one. It's always nice to be a part of the first one," Osborne shared with EURweb's Lee Bailey, while touting another factor in being on the cruise: "On top of that, to work with George. I mean George Duke is probably one of my all time favorite people in the world. He did produce my first three records. It just looks like something that I think everyone would like to be a part of. The list of artists on this is just ridiculous." In addition to Osborne and Duke, the 2013 "Soul Train Cruise" will include performances from Patti LaBelle, The O'Jays, Kool & the Gang, War, The Spinners, Jody Watley, Harold Melvin's Blue Notes, Russell Thompkins Jr. & The New Stylistics, Cuba Gooding & The Main Ingredient, Gerald Alston of the Manhattans and The Intruders. "For me, it's gonna be fun to be able to mingle with all these people that I have worked with over the years and at the same time pay tribute to Don Cornelius, who, really, was the person that tied us all together and kept our careers going," Osborne said. "Even when we weren't hot, Don was still there for us. So for me, it's just going to be a great event. I'm looking forward to it."

Is this a piccy of the Helen Glover who cut "Just Like That" for Nelber Records ? This Helen Glover was from / performed in Miami from (at least) the mid 60's to late 70's ....

No one know if the Nelber lady was the Miami Helen Glover then ??? Helen was still around (& singing) in Miami over 11 years later ...

Come on Chalky, don't hold back ... say what you mean old chap !?!?!

Phil, the top grade of chalet is just about OK .... ... by hotel 'room comfort' standards I'd class Prestatyn's 'top grade' chalets as 1 to 2 * (star). If the weather ain't too severe, then you should live through the experience OK.

It's not EXACTLY the same ...... ... but it is just about the US equivalent of NS. Loads of 'old track's reissued on Beach labels as well (some legal, some boots).

Missed you at Cleggy Keith !!

Mentioned that one in my opening post JB ... though I didn't mention it's UK release.

Well Snowy got a real gud deal then when he bought my mint issue for about £5 !!!!! ..... mind you, that was almost 40 years back.

Brett, the above may have been prompted by the 'attacks' on CC that took place on here after he DJ'ed a '70's club' revival night & didn't play OVO (or even any vinyl at all hardly). I'm with you entirely, if you want to transcribe your collection onto CD-R & play those out, then everything's just fine. There are those (especially on here) though that will only accept OVO being played at all do's (& it's impossible to play OVO at a Modern Soul night as lots of the top sounds have never been released on vinyl).

RE: Any "modern" acts on ? None have been announced so far .... BUT ... with Richard Searling now being the organizer of all things 'Modern' at the new Prestatyn Weekender (& Richard -- along with Ralph -- owning / running Expansion Records) ... I'd be amazed if an Expansion-related artist didn't put in an appearance in Nth Wales next March .... ..ALL THE ABOVE (regarding live acts) is just guesswork though & I know nowt really.

RE: is fish involved ? ..... NO ...... he is not involved in any way, shape or form with regard to organising or sorting out this event. I believe he has been asked to be one of the DJ's in the Modern Room but that's it. So the Modern Room set-up (co-ordination, layout, acts, DJ line-up, etc) will be nothing to do with Fish. Guess he will DJ there though as he will be there 'selling his wares' (he is a 'dealer' by trade after all). Don't think Mark Randle & Co. will be organising the radio stn happenings either ........ ALL THE OLD PONTIN'S GUYS involved with the Prestatyn weekenders in the past have also gone ... ... so basically (as I understand it).. it's Britannia + others as promoters + John Poole as front man (& 60's room organiser).

Loads of 60's Miami based groups that we seem to know little or nothing about (people even doubting that outfits such as the Twans actually existed).

Didn't know if to post this here or in the 'Artists We Know Nothing About' thread. Is much known about Helen Glover and is the 'Miami based' lady the same one who cut for Nelber Records (working with Gil Askey who I don't think had Miami connections apart from playing live shows there at times) ....... ... what if anything is known about her ??

The guy that was selling all the Baltimore Agency related stuff just dealt in 'printed memorabilia' to my knowledge. He mainly sells sporting programmes (from Baltimore Colts games & the like), movie & recording star photos & such stuff. I still get notices from him of stuff he is putting up for sale.

Great news at last ....... a good weekender that features great live acts !! Just got to get back into the swing of things and maybe (as a 60's UK covers group said) ... ... ........ they'll be ...... BRINGING ON BACK THE GOOD TIMES

RE: dance competitions ,we need an over 50s section all our knees have gone Couldn't agree more about the dancing problems .... I moved onto (into) the Modern Soul rooms about 20 years back and it's even worse in there ........ 6 minute long tracks everywhere & young DJ's that want to mix tracks together to make 30 minutes of continuous music ..... PHEW, it gets hard work at times !!

Rob, she is quite anti-NS scene these days. Too many UK gigs where she was told what to sing & how to sing it (i.e exactly as the original record) plus too many fights with Ian Levine over his production on her Motorcity tracks. So she will deffo write about her 'NS years' but I'm not sure it will be too full of praise !!

BTW, Gene Dozier got sacked from his 'jobs' in Detroit (with Golden World / Solid Hit producing as 'Billy the Kid') for using the name Billy Jackson whilst in Detroit. He had initially gone to Detroit at the request of Mickey Stevenson but couldn't establish himself within Motown. He told me he used the name of an established Philly guy at Golden World to get around any trouble that could be caused by him working at Golden World whilst officially still being tied to Motown (much like the Funk Bros situation when working at Golden World) but it could well be that he used the name Billy Jackson (who had a proven track record) to get his foot in the door at Golden World. Jimmy Bishop & Leon Huff came to Detroit, saw Gene working there and blew the whistle on him. Before he had gone to Detroit (back in Philly) Gene had worked on tracks such as Harriet Lavern & The Lovenotes "On Fire"& "My Boy" and with the likes of the Three Degrees, Norman Johnson & The Showmen, Sheila Ferguson & the Orlons ("Envy").

RE MY POSTS ABOVE on Gene Dozier; Minit; Jimmy Holiday; ETC. OK so above I didn't choose my words too well & left bits out in my explanation. The 1st 45 came out AFTER the deal was signed with Minit (obviously) ... ... the deal had allowed for extra tracks to be cut to form an album (these 2 x 3hr sessions went ahead straight after signing & tunes were covers as they were all ones the band members already had to know from playing their versions in Ike Turner's band) ... .. the 1st Minit 45 was credited to Jimmy H & Ed Wright as producers EVEN though they had no input on those tracks at all (A side credited as written by Gene; B side credited as written by Cliford Soloman -- the real guys involved). ALL OTHER Minit tracks (though I haven't seen the LP cover to confirm this) credited as produced by Gene (coz he went ape-sh*t about the producer badging on the 1st 45). No more recordings by Gene for Minit after those 2 initial sessions (for the label) that resulted in the LP tracks being cut and no support for / promotion of by Gene of the Minit releases except the initial 45. As the guys in Ike's band wanted the steady work they got with Ike, they didn't want to play live as the Brotherhood. So Gene put together a 'new' band & they secured a residency at an LA club. Group played solid at the club for ages and backed up the likes of Etta James & Jimmy McCrackin. Jimmy McC liked Gene & the group so much, he wanted Gene to produce his next Minit session, but Jmmy Holiday was Jimmy McC's usual producer. Gene did get to produce a coupe of tracks on Jimmy McC but wasn't given the opportunity to do a whole album on him. Gene did have a good relationship with Ed Wright (so he obviously didn't blame Ed for what had gone on with regards the 1st Minit 45). UA took over Minit & Ed W floated the idea that he should therefore be based in New York. This proposal was approved & Ed W suggested Gene relocate to DC and cut tracks there for Ed W / UA to license for distribution. So Gene headed off to DC, leaving Jimmy Holiday & the bad feelings behind. In DC Gene started D.C. Sound Records and put out a 45 by LA based Frankie Karl ("Don't Be Afraid" -- cut by Gene back in LA) in late summer 68. Ed Wright didn't like it & refused to release it on Minit so Gene did a deal with Amy/Mala/Bell. The 45 was a big national hit but Gene hadn't signed Frankie Karl up to a contract (the LA recording session just being a spec affair), so Frankie signed elswhere (with Liberace using Larry Williams;/Johnny Watson as producers) for a decent advance & Gene was stumped. To get something out of the affair, he retained the group name the Dreams and cut "Do What You Wanna" but it wasn't a hit. After that he teamed up in DC with Keni Lewis and Keni became the Dreams new front man. They cut a new track "(They Call Me) Jessie James" and coupled this with a Brotherhood track he hadn't let Minit have ("Charge") and put this out to some local success. Eventually Gene went on to sign a new record deal for himself with Mercury. .... I interviewed Gene about 15 years ago (in Vegas) and so not every aspect of his story had remained fresh in my mind.

BTW, she's doing a publicity tour to promote the book .... ... events in the US in book stores ..... plus .... ... some gigs already penciled in for December in France .. Lille on Sunday 9th December; book your Eurostar tickets soon !!