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1976 Dewsbury Photo. Any Clues On The Names?
Roburt replied to Northern Soul Uk's topic in All About the SOUL
I bet Selby's Paul Temple (then based at a Scarboro bank & DJing locally) could name a couple of em ..... ... Kegsy should know some as well (I bet they all knew to steer clear of him !!). -
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You're right, Bobby was also early on the case at the start of 1968 ...
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Johnny & Dolores ................
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The 45 got a favourable review in Billboard in May 66 ................ Of course, UK soulies were soon discovering more goodies by Mr. Garvin, but it was this track that started him on his journey to UK acceptance.
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June 1966 was Rex's 45 was breakin out across the US (having started its journey in Pittsburgh) .....
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As I have made mention of Rex Garvin in my piece on Marie Knight, I thought I'd start this thread on a topic related to one of his big tracks. Rex first came to my notice back in late 1966 when I heard (& bought) his UK Atlantic 45 "Sock It To Em, JB". This was a tribute to both James Bond & James Brown and got Rex lots of props back then. To my knowledge this was the first use of the term "Sock It To Em" even though most US TV viewers thought it was a phrase invented for use on the 'Rowan & Martin Laugh In' show. Rex's Like 45 hit the US shops in May 66 and certainly seemed to be ahead of the curve in this respect. In no time the term was taken up within the soul community ............ John Roberts was "Sockin 1,2,3,4" on Duke in late 67. Syl Johnson was tellin folk to "Come On Sock It To Me" (Twilight) around the same time. Johnny & Dolores were also "Sockin' Soul" on True Soul back in 1968 ......................... see info on this track here ....... https://www.oxfordamerican.org/articles/2009/dec/08/johnny-and-dolores-true-sounds/ Simtec (Simmons) & Wylie (Dixon) were "Sockin Soul Power" for Toddlin Town in 1969 ............ with Syl Johnson trying almost the same song at about the same time. What other soul songs use similar phrases / words to get their message across (I must have missed a few above) ?? So "Sockin' Soul" became quite popular in the mid to late 1960's .............. but who originally came up with the term 'Sock It To' ???? Of course, Marvel Comic characters had been 'Sockin' people in the superhero cartoon strips for some time & the Batman TV show back then must have had at least a little influence on things (words such as 'Sock' coming up on screens when Batman hit a baddy during the shows). But who really inspired the words to the song that Rex made into a mod / soul anthem back in the day ??
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Articles: Marie Knight That's No Way To Treat A Girl
Roburt replied to Roburt's topic in Front Page News & Articles
Her very R&B-ish Addit 45 cut ........ -
Articles: Marie Knight That's No Way To Treat A Girl
Roburt replied to Roburt's topic in Front Page News & Articles
Her 1959 45 release (a duet with Rex 'Queen of the Go Go' Garvin) ......... A year earlier (1958) and she was on Baton Records ................ November 1951 and she had a 'Sepia' record out (according to her label) ...... This was her track cut in association with world boxing champ 'Jersey Joe' Walcott .... -
Articles: Marie Knight That's No Way To Treat A Girl
Roburt replied to Roburt's topic in Front Page News & Articles
In 1966, Marie was one of the artists that Musicor were giving a push to in their trade ads ............. ... even though they never released a 45 on her after "You Lie So Well" that escaped around October 1965 .............. video no longer works -
Articles: Marie Knight That's No Way To Treat A Girl
Roburt replied to Roburt's topic in Front Page News & Articles
A few weeks later & she hit the chitlin circuit with vengeance. Touring with the likes of Clyde McPhatter, Ben E King, Gene Chandler, the Impressions and more ...................... ............... here's some shows she undertook at the Royal in Baltimore ................ -
Articles: Marie Knight That's No Way To Treat A Girl
Roburt replied to Roburt's topic in Front Page News & Articles
March is always a bad month to be in New York; cold, windy with lots of snow. Back in 1962, Marie was wise enough to head back to her birth state to play gigs at the Knight Beat Club (not named after her) in Miami ............ -
A montage of Marie related bits ........ Marie's Musicor NS biggie was produced by Stanley Kahan. Stanley had started out in the 50's working with the likes of Perry Como, Frank Sinatra, April Stevens (he wrote "Talk To Me" in the 50's which Billy Eckstine also cut for Motown in 1966). In the 1960's, in addition to working with Marie Knight, he produced tracks for Junior Lewis, Chuck Jackson ("Any Other Way"), Sammy Ambrose ("THis Diamond Ring") and more. He was back working with Chuck Jackson in the late 70's, producing Chuck's version of "When The Fuel Runs Out". He also worked with Dutch Robinson ("Can't Get Along Without You") and Nancy Wilson around the same time.
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Marie Knight came into the world way back in 1925 and though she enjoyed a recording career that stretched over 61 years, she savoured little actual commercial record success. Born in Sanford, Florida in June 1925, she moved with her family while still young to Newark, New Jersey. She soon got into singing in church and was impressing members of the congregation with her singing from the age of 5. After starting out in the choir, she soon progressed to the role of soloist and went on to establish herself as a leading lady in the gospel world. By the time that she was 20, she was taking part in major tours across the US and she started recording in 1946. She cut gospel tracks for Signature, Haven (with the Sunset Four), Decca (1947 to 1955; some with Sister Rosetta Tharpe), Candy, Brunswick and Mercury (1956). She got her first R&B chart hit in 1948 with her Decca 45 cut “Precious Memories” and this was soon followed into the R&B top 20 by a duet she made with Rosetta Tharpe. Her last gospel hit to make the R&B charts came in 1949 when she enjoyed her biggest solo success ever with “Gospel Train” (Decca). In 1950, together with Rosetta Tharpe, she sang before an audience of thousands of gospel fans at a big show in Washington. She then teamed up with boxer Jersey Joe Walcott in 1951 to cut some tracks for Decca and the pair also did some live shows together. In the early to mid 50’s she started babbling in secular music and soon was cutting both gospel and non-gospel tracks. September 1951 saw her supporting the likes of Herbie Fields & his Band, Pigmeat Markham & Tommy Edwards on gigs at Washington’s Howard Theater. In August 1953 she was touring as part of a big gospel package that played the Lumberton Armory in North Carolina. In 1955, she had a secular 45 out on Mercury’s Wing label and this did well enough for her to be signed to top New York based booking agency, Universal Attractions. In 1955, she was also performing to rave reviews with Rosetta Tharpe in New York jazz clubs and a UK tour followed in 1958. She soon left the gospel scene behind altogether and cut R&B tracks for Baton and Carlton Records before the end of the 1950’s. Carlton Records teamed her up with Rex Garvin and their outing (“I Can't Sit Down”) was well promoted and managed to secure quite a bit of radio exposure. Of course, Rex went onto to find much UK mod adulation due to his fine US Like / YK Atlantic 45 “Sock It To Em, JB”. Next, she landed a deal with Addit Records and had “To Be Loved By You” out in 1960. Okeh came calling next and her first 45 release for them was “Come Tomorrow” in 1961. This track had found favour in British music circles by the mid 1960’s when Manfred Mann cut a cover version that triggered Marie’s version to be re-released by Okeh (as Okeh 4-7218). In 1962 she had a 2nd Okeh 45 release and although it’s “Come On Baby” that has been the popular side of this disc in more recent times, it was her version of “What Kind of Fool (Do You Think I Am)” that was more popular in the US back then. She toured on the strength of her Okeh recordings, featuring on a top package tour of chitlin-circuit theaters in 1962. Along with Clyde McPhatter, Ben E King, Gene Chandler, the Tabs + Shep & the Limelites she played shows at the Royal in Baltimore in April 62. In early May 62, she was at the Syria Mosque in Pittsburgh (a concert venue) along with Brook Benton, Gene Chandler, the Impressions, Don Juan and Bruce Channel. Three singles followed on Diamond in 1963/64 before she was signed to Musicor Records later in 64. Her take on the standard “Cry Me A River” opened her account for the label and this became her only secular song to chart when in April 1965 it made the Soul 45 top 40. However it was to be the follow-up (“That's No Way To Treat A Girl”: Musicor 1106) that would make her name with UK based NS fans. Both “Cry Me A River” (Stateside; around May 1965) and “Come Tomorrow” (Fontana; January 1962) also escaped on 45’s in the UK. She wasn’t doing at all bad for a woman approaching her 40th birthday, however her age did soon begin to tell against her. After her deal with Musicor ended, she was unable to land another secular recording contract. Marie returned to the gospel world in the early 1970’s, though she did make occasional live appearances in non-gospel settings after that time (one such show being with John Lee Hooker at New York’s Hunter College on February 7th, 1976). She became a minister and held that position at the Gates of Prayer Church (New York) for some years. She continued to record (on & off) right through till 2007 and even performed on a radio show after that (in 2008). She passed away due to complications from pneumonia in Harlem at the end of August 2009 at the grand old age of 84. Before her death, Ace UK had topped off her long career by finally breaking some tracks she had cut (in 1960) out of the master tape vaults (“Better Wait And See” a duet with Junior Lewis + her original demo version of “Come Tomorrow”. Both released in 2002 on the CD "The Arock & Sylvia Story" CDKEND 212). She may be gone, but she certainly isn’t forgotten.
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Coz I like the physical item, I'm too old to be a computer wizard and last time I checked if my computer self destructs, I've lost all the digital tracks. So give me vinyl (or CD) anytime. After all, there's no authentic feel to playing an mp3, I'd much rather pick up an actual re-issue !!!! ......... thought it's still only the sound that matters ( I.E. it's what's in the grooves that counts).
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........ also on on a Brazilian 7" E.P. with Its got to be magic/Ruby Lee/I got over love .... .... RIP Major .......... "Ruby Lee"; another track on that Brazilian EP .......
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..... These reissues simply kill the scene, the fun of record collecting and evrything I like about rare soul records ..... Got to say that I couldn't disagree more. Why would I want to pay $1000+ for a beat up original 45 that sounds crap when I can get a new mint re-issue for $10 & enjoy the sound of the track in pristine condition. I seem to recall some nonedescript saying ... it's what's in the grooves that counts .... Surely you want to listen to these tracks, not just salivate all over the vinyl just coz its an 'original'.
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You can discover more about the show here .......... https://www.motownthemusical.com/
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I'm 100% sure Pete is in the right. Only had one set of dealings with him but from that I'd have to say that he's the fairest dealer I've ever dealt with.
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New Discovery? Already Known? Blind Billy 45
Roburt replied to Greg Belson's topic in Look At Your Box
The above piece says that Hal Hodgens was involved with Hemphill & his studio. Hodgens was at Birmingham radio station WVOK in 1966 and the stn was then the No.2 rated pop singles stn in the city. As Hemphill was white, I guess Hodgens must have seemed a better bet to get 'music biz / radio influence' than hooking up with guys from the local soul radio stns (WENN, WJLD). Hodgens had earlier been general manager of station WYAM (in Birmingham; spring 1964). This station played C&W / gospel and was just about tied as the top rated Country stn in the city that year (with Hodgens being the 2nd top rated C&W DJ on the city's radiowaves in 64). From the above, I'd guess that some of the gospel tracks released by Hemphill were by white singers. -
New Discovery? Already Known? Blind Billy 45
Roburt replied to Greg Belson's topic in Look At Your Box
Seems strange that Hemphill didn't send any of his 45's up to Billboard mag to get a bit of exposure on them (if only a listing in the new releases section of the mag). He did seem to court deals with bigger labels (1-2-3 & stax being amongst these) ............... -
New Discovery? Already Known? Blind Billy 45
Roburt replied to Greg Belson's topic in Look At Your Box
The 'Birmingham Sound' CD notes are as good as it seems possible to get at this time. Lots of the 'main guys' are no longer with us and so they have tracked down musicians, singers & family members of those involved back then and has found outt what they recall. However, each only has a small part of the story & pulling together the 'whole picture' now seems just about impossible. The likes of Cortez Greer (who also started off recording wise by working at the studio seemingly in the 60's) passed many years ago. It is noted that some of the Black Kat 45's came out in 1975 but the cuts they featured had been recorded some years earlier. -
New Discovery? Already Known? Blind Billy 45
Roburt replied to Greg Belson's topic in Look At Your Box
I have the CD 'The Birmingham Sound -- the Soul of Neal Hemphill Vol.2' and this has photos & info on Neal Hemphill, his studio & Robert Dobyne. I don't have the Vol.1 CD and no doubt the booklet notes for that also contain info on the releases from the city in the 60's & later. The booklet notes I have state that Dobyne was one of the first guys to use Hemphill's studio and that he wrote songs there with Frederick Knight and cut solo stuff from the early days of the studios operation (after he had heard a radio ad put out by Hemphill asking for musicians, singers to drop by the studio). The CD has an unissued R.D. & the Barefacts track ("Strickly Soul") as well as other 'unidentified artist' cuts on it. By all accounts, although Hemphill was white and his shop / studio was located in a white populated 'blue collar' area of the city (where segregation hung on till the end), there was never any colour problem with the guys at the studio (everyone was welcomed the same). You're right that the date on the promo copy of Dobyne's 45 is written as August 69, but the song must predate that by at least 3 years.