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Articles: Edwin Starr's Cleveland Years
Roburt replied to Roburt's topic in Front Page News & Articles
Yes, Ann Bogan (later a Marvelette & member of New Birth) & the guys in the Challengers were from Cleveland. George Hendricks, a current member of the Hesitations, has a long musical pedigree...... His first major singing position was in the Sahib's who around 1960 were one of Cleveland's finest soul groups (they performed on bills with the likes of James Brown, Jackie Wilson and most of the Motown acts). The group were just about the top local draw at the time but had no interest in recording and so never left a 'vinyl legacy' to look back on. After this, he was a member of 'Ann Bogan and the Challengers' who recorded "Honey Honey Honey" / "Everyday" for the Tri Phi label. He was then to serve in Viet Nam & after returning took a break from the music biz. Then in the 70's, he joined Red Top and the Young Family who recorded "Love Power / Barbara" released on the Tri City Label (owned by Choker Campbell). George toured the US with the group for several years. In the late 70's he joined long time friend (& former Sahib) Lou Ragland & they formed the Chosen Few. Later still, George was vocalist for Harvey and the Phenomenals (ex of Daywood label). .... more on George (& Edwin) here ....... https://rockhall.com/...-music-history/ Cleveland in the 50's & 60's had the artists and the recording studios (though in the 50's these were very basic) ... ..... the city never had a local guy with money who was prepared to invest cash into setting up a label and properly financing releases with decent distribution. Way Out came the closest to becoming an established label (& their studio was really more of a front for 'number runners'). Way Out established deals (for distribution) with the likes of Atlantic & MGM but still didn't have the money to really go for it big time. Their biggest investor (after the start up) was Amer Football player Jim Brown (hence their Big Jim label). But Brown hooked up with the Friends of Distinction & went off to Hollywood to star in film's & build that group's career. Too many Cleveland soul 45's say ... 'from the album ????' but those albums never got released (even though the tracks were cut) because of lack of funds. Many of the master tapes for loads of unreleased 60's soul cuts lay locked in a studio vault just outside the city to this day. If they aren't 'rescued' soon, they will fall to pieces and the cuts will be lost forever. -
Articles: Edwin Starr's Cleveland Years
Roburt replied to Roburt's topic in Front Page News & Articles
I know little about the Annuals, except that they were managed by Marty Conn & had 45's out on his labels (Marconn & Conn Records; based on South Green Rd) ....... this ain't soul, its doo wop ... but this is the sort of sound Edwin's group was making back in the 50's ..... ......... "Everybody talks about 'Get a Job' ... " (should please Robb though , if he checks out this thread). -
Articles: Charles Drain: Two Stupid Feet
Roburt replied to Roburt's topic in Front Page News & Articles
Charles Drain pictures ..... ..... one a publicity shot, the other him in action ...... Charles Drain in the studio ............... Charles' Emkay 45 ............. The Tabs on tour ................ Baltimore Royal Theatre: 1962 -
Charles Hatcher (Edwin Starr) was born in Nashville in January, 1942 but his family moved to Cleveland, Ohio while he was still young. Here Edwin was educated at the city’s East Technical High School. Whilst a student at this school his interest in singing developed. This isn’t surprising as the school seems to have been a spawning ground for male vocal groups at the time. The likes of the LaSalles & Carousels, who were both to go on to secure recording contracts, started up while the members were attending the school. Edwin also became a member of a group formed at the school, his group adopting the name of the FutureTones. The group got its name by adapting the name of an established local group, the Metrotones. The Metrotones had started to come together as early as 1953 and they quickly built up a local following. Initially an all male outfit, the group's manager recruited Kim Tolliver to join them for a short period. The group's popularity led to them securing a recording contract and in 1958 they had enjoyed a release on the local Reserve label, “Please Come Back / Skitter Skatter”. The links between the two groups went further than just similar names though. They came from the same part of the city and the Metrotones leader, Sonny Turner, took Edwin under his wing and helped teach him to sing properly. The Reserve single was to prove to be the high point of the Metrotones career, however Sonny Turner was to go on to become lead singer with the Platters in the 60’s. Another member, Leonard Veal, ended up joining the Hesitations a few years later. The FutureTones consisted of Edwin, John Berry, Parnell Burks, Richard Isom and Roosevelt Harris. The group performed at school shows and set about increasing their profile locally after Edwin graduated from school in 1956. They became ground breakers on the Cleveland scene as they soon became the first local outfit to be fully self contained, having their own instrumentalists as members. The musician members of the group were Russell Evans (guitar), Pinhead (trumpet), Julius Robertson (bass), Brownie (drummer) and Gus Hawkins (sax). The group would enter local talent contests such as those that were held at the Circle Ballroom. At these they would be up against other aspiring groups of young hopefuls trying to get onto the bottom rung of the ladder they hoped would eventually lead to recording success. Group names that Edwin recalls are the Sahibs, the Monarks and the Crescents. The Sahibs had also been formed at a local school, this time though it had been Rawlings Junior High School. At the time one of their members was George Hendricks who was later to become a member of Way Out group, the Exceptional 3. A couple of years later Lou Ragland was to be co-opted into the group by its leader, James Dotson. Edwin acknowledges that the Sahib’s would almost always put on a fantastic performance, which his outfit had to strive to top. The FutureTones would usually perform the Metrotones song “Skitter Skatter” and they must have done it well as they won contests on 8 or 9 separate occasions. Edwin puts this down, in part, to his outfit’s better stage act as they were better dancers than most of their rivals. Edwin particularly remembers one contest though, at this the FutureTones and Sahibs were pitted against each other and their performances couldn’t be separated. As a result of this, the two groups were adjudged joint winners. The leader of the Crescents was William Burrell, who adopted the professional name of Billy Wells. Billy went on to enjoy a long and successful recording career both with the Crescents and later with the Invaders and the Outer Realm. Billy relocated to Florida in the 60’s and here he cut a track, “This Heart, These Hands”, that was to go on to find favour with UK northern soul fans. The Monarks, Edwin recalls, would perform mostly El Dorados and Spaniels type tunes. Other local outfits around at the time were the Fabulous Flames, Annuals and Cashmeres. The Fabulous Flames would enjoy releases in the late 50’s and early 60’s on Rex, Time and Baytone. Their line-up included Harvey Hall who would later go solo and record for Thomas Boddie’s Luau label. The group would alternate between having four and five members and so would always be taking on temporary members. One such member was Richard Fisher (Jessie’s brother) who was to relocate to New York in the sixties and join the Jive Five. The Annuals later secured a recording contract through their manager, Marty Conn, who started his own label, Marrconn Records. When the group broke up, members went on to join the Springers (Jeff Crutchfield) and Hesitations (Arthur Blakey). The Cashmeres, like the Sahib’s, never recorded in their own right, but the outfit’s Kenny Redd made it into the studio’s in the early 70’s when he was with Miystic Insight group True Movement. The FutureTones, along with the other groups mentioned, would do the rounds of all the Cleveland live venues. The Mercury Ballroom, the Lucky Strike, Gleason’s, the Che Breau Club, the Rose Room at the Majestic Hotel, the Cedar Gardens, Playmor and Chatterbox Club. Joan Bias, who recorded for Way Out in 1963, recalls watching a really good FutureTones performance at the Cedar Gardens in the late 50’s. The Majestic Hotel was at that time employing two émigrés from down south, Eddie Kendricks and Paul Williams. Eddie was employed in the kitchen while Paul was a bell hop. The pair were using their positions at the hotel to good effect though. They would rehearse songs after work from around midnight to 3am along with the third member of their outfit, Kell Osbourne. They would also occasionally secure bookings to perform properly at the hotel. However the pair soon decided that Cleveland didn’t offer them the musical opportunities they were seeking and so they moved on to Detroit. Eventually the FutureTones got to appear on a local TV show, the 'Gene Carroll Talent Show' and not long afterwards they went professional. The first engagement they secured after this was at the Chatterbox Club (which was located on Woodland near 55th Street) as support act to Billie Holliday. Edwin was totally in awe of Billie and although he got the opportunity to visit her dressing room to speak with her he doesn’t think that his attempts at conversation would have been too coherent. Further successful engagements followed and in 1959 the group secured a recording contract with Tress Records. A single, “ I Know / Rolling On” was released and made a few waves locally. With a promising future in prospect for the group things appeared to be on the up for its members' but fate was to take a hand. In 1960 Edwin was drafted into the Army. Here his obvious talent as a singer was soon recognised and he got to perform for other servicemen at bases across the USA and Germany. Upon his discharge in 1962 he returned to Cleveland and attempted to pick up the reigns with the group again. In his absence, one of his old friends Demon (William Isom) had joined the group but they hadn’t been able to progress their career. With Edwin back in the fold they continued to perform locally but they had lost the impetus they had possessed a few years earlier. In 1963 Bill Doggett and his group swung through Cleveland and at the time Doggett was on the lookout for a new vocalist. Edwin caught his eye and so was offered the position. He accepted, quit the FutureTones and left town to tour with his new outfit. Bill Doggett had a great influence on Edwin, especially with regard to his professional attitude to the business. He didn’t drink, always expected good discipline and insisted that those associated with him were accessible to the people they came in contact with. After a couple of years on the road with Doggett, Edwin began to develop his song writing skills and inspired by a James Bond movie he wrote ‘Agent OO Soul’. He thought the song had commercial potential but knew that to tie in with the hype currently associated with the spy movie it would have to be recorded straight away. He took the song to Doggett but, obviously not wanting to lose his talented vocalist, Doggett suggested it was too early for him to be contemplating cutting a record. Luckily for Edwin one of their next live performances was at the Twenty Grand in Detroit. At this he was approached by Lebaron Taylor, which led to an introduction to Ric Tic Records and the rest is history. With an instant solo hit on his hands, Edwin had to immediately put together a backing band so that he could tour to cash in on his new found success. He didn’t really know too many available musicians in Detroit so it was only natural that he returned to Cleveland to recruit the backbone of his needed line-up. The FutureTones had soldiered on after Edwin had left them but the vocalist’s in the line-up began to loose interest and gradually drifted away into normal 9 to 5 jobs. In fact no other vocalist from the group would go on to forge a career in the music industry. The musician side of the group however had gone from strength to strength. They found employment around Cleveland backing up visiting acts such as the Temptations. The respect that they commanded locally also led to them being used on recording sessions, with work on O’Jays and Intertains sessions being amongst those secured. On Edwins return to scout out members for his tour band he sought out his old friends and in no time he had persuaded Gus Hawkins and Julius Robertson to go on the road with him. The pair stayed with him for some time before they eventually tired of living out of a suitcase and returned home to Cleveland. The pair’s departure with Edwin had finally signalled the end for the FutureTones and leader Russell Evans took a position in the O’Jays backing band. In the 70’s Gus Hawkins was to become a member of Musicor recording group S.O.U.L. and Russell Evans was to lead the backing band for Sounds of Cleveland / Devaki recording group, Truth. Edwin hadn’t finally severed his links with Cleveland though as in 1970 he returned to the city once again. This time he recruited local outfit, Mother Braintree, as his road band. After a year or so they also returned home where members were to merge with another local outfit to form the Dazz Band. Edwin’s many years of commercial world-wide success only took off after he had left Cleveland, however he had spent his formative years in the city. Without the grounding he gained there who can say how his career would have progressed. He was still certainly well remembered by many residents of the city in the 1990's. Among the old friends that were hoping Edwin would return to the city was William ‘Demon’ Isom, who at the end of that decade still worked at Republic Steel.
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Articles: Charles Drain: Two Stupid Feet
Roburt replied to Roburt's topic in Front Page News & Articles
......... QUESTION ........ The Teek 45 releases produced by Billy Drain (Charles brother) were all pressed up at the same time ... .... their ZTSC numbers being ....... Billy James ........ 96622 Petites ............... 96624 Ascots ............... 96626 Anyone tell me exactly when they were made ?? -
A montage of bits to help illustrate Charles' music career ..........
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Articles: Edwin Starr's Cleveland Years
Roburt replied to Roburt's topic in Front Page News & Articles
When Edwin was on Jools Holland's LATER show, he said that he first got to meet Sam & Dave at a big gig they undertook at the Cleveland Arena (which must have been around Spring 1966 after S&D had enjoyed their 1st big hit). Edwin said that Cleveland had a great entertainment scene back then with all the top soul acts playing venues in the city. All the top acts played the Cleveland Arena back then (which when it wasn't being used for music shows was the home of the Cleveland basketball team, the Cavaliers. The venue was closed in 1974 & demolished in 1977. ........... a few top soul acts performing there ...... -
Charles Drain was born in Eupora, Mississippi back in 1939. He began singing at the age of eight and formed his first group a couple of years later. After moving to St Louis, he secured work singing back-up vocals before joining the "Tabs" as their lead singer. The group back then consisted of Charles Drain, Sonny Robertson (1st tenor), John Hopkins (2nd tenor) & Lionel Stokes (baritone). All the guys were childhood buddies though a couple of additional members (Tuman Hughes & Leroy Terry) had dropped out down the years. Sonny Robertson had started out in gospel groups as a teenager and had sung in male gospel quartets back in St Louis with the likes of Mel & Tim. Although not actually a member of the group, Charles’ brother William (Billy) was influential in their development. Billy schooled the group, helping them develop their singing skills plus he wrote songs especially for them. The group were signed by Vee Jay in 1962 and they enjoyed two 45 releases. Their first single was issued in December 1961 and this coupled “Dance All By Myself” (written by Ollie Jones) with “Dance Party” (written by Charles Drain himself). The Tabs courtesy of "Doowop - Groups and Discography" http://www.blogg.org...rs-1310328.html Their 2nd 45 also featured a song that Charles had written; “Mash Them Taters” (c/w “But You're My Baby”) and this escaped in June 1962. They got to tour, playing shows with the Miracles, Flip Wilson, Redd Foxx, Moms Mabley and the Isley Brothers at venues such as the Apollo, the Uptown in Philly, the Howard in D.C. & the Regal in Chicago. For their show at the Apollo, they were backed up by a group of musicians that included Phillip Upchurch (guitar) and King Curtis (sax). Next, the group were signed to a deal by New York based Wand Records. Their initial outing for the label was “Two Stupid Feet” (written by Wand's Luther Dixon) which was backed with a Billy Drain song “The Wallop” (Wand 130; February 1963). Reggie Obrecht, who had earlier worked with Leiber & Stoller on tracks by the Drifters, was responsible for the arrangements on the tunes. This single got some radio airplay and so Wand got behind it's release and placed some ads in US music magazines. By April, “Two Stupid Feet” was popular enough to land the group a big theatre gig in Philadelphia and this was followed by a number of other theatre bookings on the east coast circuit. Another 45 came out that July; “Take My Love Along With You (William Drain) / I'm With You” (Ed Townshend, Alvin Stewart) but this didn't do as well. The group had cut a number of other tracks for Wand (“The Big Show”, “The Landlord” and “Laughing To Keep From Crying”) but these failed to make it out of the tape vaults and so their career began to drift. While Charles had been away from St Louis performing with the Tabs, his brother Billy had teamed up with Freeman Bosley and he did some work for Bosley's Teek label. Billy wrote some new songs and cut them on acts such as Billy James, the Ascots and the Petites (who included Barbara Carr in their line-up). Some of Billy's songs (written in conjunction with Reggie Obrecht) were also used on Scepter / Wand artists. “You Upset My Soul” was cut by Maxine Brown plus Don Gardner & Dee Dee Ford in 1963 and “Put Yourself In My Place” by Azie Mortimer, Maxine Brown, Dionne Warwick & Big Maybelle. Around the mid 60's, Charles decided that his future career prospects would be improved if he went solo and he soon followed that route. Still working in conjunction with brother Billy, Charles cut “Stop And Think About It” which was written & produced by Billy. Backed with “So Glad”, this was issued on Top Track (part of L-G Record Company of 4200 Missouri Avenue, East St Louis). Billy utilised local female group the Petites to back up Charles on his Top Track recordings, the ladies (Barbara Carr, Pat & Dorothy Ewing) giving a good account of themselves. The 45 did little at that time but it has gone on to be a highly collectable single that commands a high price with collectors. Charles continued to lay down tracks, some of these being cut under the supervision of Oliver Sain and brother Billy. When shopped around, two were picked up by Chess Records and released in June 1967 (“She's Gone / Here I Am”; both songs being written by Charles). He must have traveled up to Chicago to help promote his new 45 as in August he was appearing at clubs on the city's south side. One such venue being The Club (formerly the Club De Lisa) on South State Street (where the likes of Alvin Cash & the Crawlers, Otis Clay & Josephine Taylor were also regular performers). While in Chicago, Charles found himself singing backing vocals in local studios in support of artists signed to labels based in the city. But his solo releases again dried up and by the 1970's, Charles was back in St Louis trying to once again resurrect his music career. "¨"¨A new studio (CMC) had been built in St Louis and Kent Washburn had been appointed to run it and cut locally based acts. The first acts he worked with included the Hypnotics (who included ex Voice Masters member James Thompson in their line-up) and Marcus Kelly and Westmoreland Co. Phil Westmoreland was the leader of Westmoreland Company and he already had some studio experience as he had worked with the likes of Oliver Sain plus Charles and William Drain (the team writing some songs together). Work commenced At CMC and a major label deal set up for the Hypnotics. Another local who Kent Washburn recruited was Michael (Love)Smith. Born in St Louis, Michael initially led, sang lead & wrote for the family based group the Smith Brothers> The group's first single was released on the Gold Future label, the house label for the St Louis based Gold Future studios. Later in 1970, the group hooked up with the Isley Brothers and had a 45 released on the brother’s T Neck label . Under the revised name of Smith Connection, they were signed to H-D-H's Music Merchant label in 1972. But Michael wasn't making enough to support his family and so he jumped at the chance to join the CMC team. However the studio needed to be busier, so Kent Washburn and Michael (Love) Smith let it be known that they were holding auditions to find other singers to record. It came as no surprise that Charles was one of the first to learn of this and turn up at the studio to try out. Kent & Michael were suitably impressed and he was quickly signed up. The auditions also resulted in the Love Set being signed to a contract. Kent (with Michael L Smith) immediately started work on tracks for Charles Drain and the Love Set which it was agreed would be released by RCA. "¨ Unfortunately just at that time, things were going sour for CMC. There were other studios in St Louis and these were still cutting tracks. CMC Studio was the best & most modern studio in town but unfortunately this made it the most expensive to run. The studio wasn't making money and the parent company's Board of Directors and shareholders forced its closure. Kent found himself out of a job but he was allowed to keep the rights to all the masters and artists that had been cut in the studio as his severance pay. But he had to find a new work base in St Louis, so he checked out what the other three local studios had to offer. Kent made use of the facilities at Professional Artists studio (owned by Parvin Tramell), Gold Future Studio (owned by Russ Lewis) and Technisonic Studios. He made a deal with Parvin to use Professional Artists studio to cut rhythm tracks. Working with Bill Olszewski, the pair would shuttle back and forth between Professional Artists and Gold Future depending on what they were doing and the budget that was available to them. They took on some outside projects cutting other artists for releases on local labels, but working with Charles Drain was their main task. The acoustics at both Technisonic & Professional Artists were far from perfect so Kent cut some lead / backing vocals (+ strings & horns) on Charles Drain in RCA Studios in New York. One of the outside projects that Kent had taken on was with Jamal Trice. Trice had taken the master tapes produced by Kent, headed off to LA and had landed himself a deal with Motown. Impressed by what she heard on the tapes, Gwen Gordy approached Kent and also offered him a deal with Motown. After meeting with Gwen, Kent decided that working for the mighty Motown gave him & his family much more security, so he signed with the company. His Motown contract was prepared and the fine points were settled with RCA to enable him to conclude the work required on Charles Drain’s album. With the last string and horn session on the Charles Drain cuts finished in RCA’s LA studio (this was the only LA based horn session that Kent would ever actually play on himself), Kent completed work on the album in St Louis (on his own) and turned the project in to RCA. Kent was allocated new Motown group Hi Inergy to work with, but back in St Louis Charles Drain found himself without the services of the producer of his new recordings. RCA having licensed Charles' St Louis cut tracks, they set about releasing them. First to hit the shops was the 45 “Is This Really Love / Only You” (PB 10186 — January 75). "Is This Really Love" had been written by Michael Lovesmith and produced by Michael in conjunction with Kent Washburn). Despite “Is This Really Love” being a great uptempo cut that should have sold really well, RCA didn't promote it correctly and it slipped between the cracks. Charles would have to wait almost a year before his next release came out. This, another 45, coupled “Lifetime Guarantee Of Love (a Ray Dahrouge song) and “Just As Long” (10521 — early 76). After that, RCA started pushing out Charles' releases at a hectic rate. His 9 track strong album, 'Dependable' (APL-1414), soon followed, as did his final RCA 45. “I'm Gonna Stay / What Good Is A Love Song” (10594) effectively ending his RCA career in March 76. Due to their quality, some of his cuts had also escaped outside of the USA. In the UK, “Is This Really Love” made it out on a 45 in October 1976. His final US RCA 45, “I'm Gonna Stay,”has gone on to become a favorite with soul fans around the globe. Also after his “What You Don't Know” was included on the Various Artist US RCA album 'Disco Express Vol.2' in November 76, this was also released in Argentina. Back in LA,, Kent got to use some of the best studio musicians (Ray Parker, Paul Jackson, Ray Edwards, Ollie Brown, etc) on his work with Hi Inergy. Kent's initial Motown contract had been signed in early summer 1976 and had only been for a 12 month period. By July 1977, just as he was ready to submit the Hi Inergy album for release, the contract expired. He received a letter sent out by Motown’s A&R Department stating that his contract wasn’t to be renewed, so Kent flew back to St Louis to see if he could resurrect his career back there. Still believing that he had submitted some great tracks to Motown, Kent just teamed up again with Charles Drain and they started work on four new songs. After having seen how good the likes of Syl Rivers, Ray Parker, Ollie Brown and Ray Edwards had been on the Hi Inergy tracks, Kent was keen to use the ‘Motown Boys’ again. So he got them involved with three of the tracks that Charles cut; “A Little Bit of You” (written by Ray Parker), “Who’s Gonna Love You” (written by Gloria and Richard Jones) and "You're In My Dreams". One finished track from Charles remained spare from the RCA deal, this being "I Could Stay All Night" which had been recorded in St Louis at about the same time as his tracks that RCA had put out. Kent's new work with Charles was progressing well and some weeks had passed since he had arrived back in St Louis. Then a call came in from Gwendolyn Fuller (Gwen Gordy’s close colleague). She said that Berry Gordy himself had heard the tracks Kent had laid down on Hi Inergy and was mightly impressed with them. When he had been told that Kent’s contract had been terminated, he had immediately issued instructions that matters be put right. So Kent was reinstated at Motown and he flew back to LA. This action though resulted in the new Charles Drain tracks being left incomplete. Kent's Hi Inergy tracks enjoyed instant commercial success (the group's 1st 45 “You Can't Turn Me Off” going to No. 2 on the US Soul charts). Following that, Kent entered into a working arrangement with the group that lasted for another two years. But in 1979, Kent Washburn quit his position with Motown and looked around for a new challenge. He still had the master tapes for some tracks he had cut in St Louis in the mid 1970’s that remained unissued and these would provide him with one opportunity. Almost immediately he met Tony Hart, the man behind the Hartsong Corporation that ran Spirit Records (a contemporary Christian rock label). The pair hooked up and Kent took the post of Vice President / General Manager of Spirit Records. The Hartsong Corporation had been set up in part to exploit a tax loophole. The Corporation produced and acquired masters that were then sold to investors to allow them to take advantage of tax credit rules. As long as records were pressed up and distributed, the product could be ‘sold on’ to investors who could then claim back more than they had paid as a tax write-off. Kent made the 'unused masters' cut in St Louis available and these were released on his re-activated Emkay label. A small number of each release was pressed up. These were ‘distributed’ as required under the tax laws but all that really happened was a few copies were sent to local DJ’s and industry people. Some copies were also passed along to the investors with the remaining stock going straight into a warehouse. So the public remained totally oblivious to the existence of these new Emkay records. In all there were 12 releases on the Emkay label in 1979; 10 No. 45’s + 2 No. LPs. One of the 45's (EM1008) featured Charles Drain's “I Could Stay All Night” (the song again being penned by Michael ‘Love’ Smith) which was coupled with a Westmoreland Co. instrumental (“Don't Suprise Yourself”). This action was taken as Kent only had one ‘finished’ track by Charles Drain that hadn’t already been released by RCA. No hope existed of any of the Emkay 45's resurrecting the careers of the artists involved and so Charles never got the chance to benefit from the release of the single. Things soon got worse however for the Hartsong Corporation. The company’s main funding came via the 'tax break' investments but the lawyer involved was getting a bit too creative in his tax write-off claims and Hartsong soon had major problems with the US government. The lawyer flew to Canada to try and es ape the consequences of his actions, but he was eventually rounded up and spent time in prison. Hartsong collapsed though and Kent had to move on, this time he embarked on a number of gospel projects in LA. Charles Drain was still 'out of the action' back in St Louis. Most St louis based soul acts left the city to make it big recording wise. Many went to Chicago or Memphis, but by the 1980's even this course of action was proving less successful. In any case, Charles was now in his 40's and the prospect of moving again in an attempt to further his music career wasn't a realistic prospect. He managed to stay connected locally and this resulted in his final record release. He cut some tracks that were put out by the St Louis based Professors' 50 / 50 label. This was run by Mitch Wadley (who wrote Charles' song & produced the track). “When You Say You Love Me” was a great deep soul cut which demonstrated that vocally Charles still had it. That was to be his last fling at reaching the wider record buying public and with Charles now being in his mid 40's, he drifted off the scene. About ten years later, Charles passed away in St Louis (March 1995) at the relatively young age of 55. He certainly had made his mark on the music business but with a bit more luck, he could have been up there with the most succcessful male soul singers. He was certainly equiped with the vocal talent to have enjoyed more fame and this fact was demonstrated when his RCA outing “Is This Really Love” was included on the Soul Brother Records CD 'the Wants List 3’ in 2007.
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Articles: Edwin Starr's Cleveland Years
Roburt replied to Roburt's topic in Front Page News & Articles
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Don't believe it did escape on 45, though the UK (on odd occasions) put a different track on the B side of his 45's -- "Problem Solver" being one such cut).
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Yes, Southern region electric units .......... ... think Steve loved 2Bil's the most.
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Pity the Sam Moore & Edwin Starr clip ain't up on youtube as Jools chatted with them both before they broke into song. Edwin said he first got to meet Sam (& Dave) at a big gig they undertook in Cleveland (@ the Cleveland Arena I think he said). That must have been around Spring 1966 after S&D had enjoyed their 1st big hit. Edwin said that Cleveland had a great entertainment scene back then with all the top soul acts playing venues in the city. I'll have to post up my article on Edwin's Cleveland years on here.
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Just happen to have 6/7 old editions of Blackbeat handy (they were up in the loft next to the Xmas tree & decorations). Scanned em all (as you do) & found reviews of this O T Sykes 45 in BB #16 (July 82). Clarkie reviewed it (he also made mention of Greg Perry's "It Takes Heart" & Charles Sherrell's "Things You Do For Love"). Sam also reviewed it..
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Spyder Turner, Pat Lewis And Daryl Grant Live On Stage
Roburt commented on Chalky's article in Event News
Don't know if I'll be able to make this gig (though I would love to be there) ..... Someone who gets to chat with Spyder should ask him what he remembers about this tour ........... -
I know lots on here love the music of the Shirelles and of ex group member Shirley Alston's later recordings. .... came across these recent-ish bits on here when surfing the net ..... ... good to see her looking so well just a few months back (she's over 70 years of age -- see photo below) ... https://www.nytimes.com/1995/11/05/nyregion/in-brief-a-shirelle-from-passaic-high-to-the-rock-hall-of-fame.html https://www.examiner.com/article/the-shirelles-shirley-alston-reeves-to-perform-stamford The Shirelles song that is just about her fave old tune is a 1961 Scepter 45 B side..... ...... the Shirelles "Ž— What A Sweet Thing That Was / A Thing Of The Past
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The Wheel And Late 60S Proto Northern Soul Scenes
Roburt replied to Ady Croasdell's topic in All About the SOUL
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Just watched an hour long prog on BBC2 ............ Jools Holland selecting his fave guests from his long 'LATER' TV series. His heart really is in the right place ........... his selections included ...... Mary J Blige, Alicia Keys, Solomon Burke, Edwin Starr, Sam Moore, Herbie Hancock, Billy Preston + the likes of Rusty Springboard & a Brit guy singing Stevie Wonder's "Place In The Sun". Can't find Sam & Da .. Edwin singing "Drown In My Own Tears" as a duet but Jools & Billy dueting on "Thats the Way God Planned it" is up there ......
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Yep, their 'Madam Butterfly album was just fff*kin great ...... soul at its very best .......... ... https://www.discogs.com/Tavares-Madam-Butterfly/release/1116007 ..... like it so much, I still have 2 copies of the LP. When they were on at Prestatyn, I wrote their bio and sent it off to the guys for their approval ahead of time ..... .... I called them a soul group who had some disco hits ...... couldn't have worded it better .... ... they were my 'best mates' when they turned up in Wales as that's just how they saw themselves. I asked them to perform a couple of their Chubby & the Turnpikes numbers & they were well up for it. ... but they were using their usual UK backing musicians & those musicians' leader had other ideas. He didn't bother sending back to his home base to get the music for any of those songs sent up to the venue. The group weren't to be thwarted though & they performed bits of a couple of songs (+ Strangers in Dark Corners) acapella style. They really enjoyed the reaction they got from the weekender audience & wanted to return for another gig that they wanted to record for a 'live' release.
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The unreleased Motown mp3 tracks aren't now available till Monday (17th) ........... .. but if you click on UK Amazon then, you'll be able to listen to snippets of every track (& buy the ones you like).
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The Wheel And Late 60S Proto Northern Soul Scenes
Roburt replied to Ady Croasdell's topic in All About the SOUL
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The Wheel And Late 60S Proto Northern Soul Scenes
Roburt replied to Ady Croasdell's topic in All About the SOUL
Bradford .... big drug scene ........ whatcha expect, after all Kegsy was from where ???? -
Articles: It's About Time - Bobby Brooks Wilson
Roburt replied to Chalky's topic in Front Page News & Articles
I started a thread about him just over a month ago (in Look At Your Box)