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  1. A tune from Terry & the group .....
  2. Seems that he passed away 7 days ago at George Washington Hospital in DC.. https://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/artsdesk/music/2012/12/17/d-c-soul-legend-terry-huff-dead-at-65/ An article on him ........... https://www.washingto...-a-cop-an-rampb
  3. This guy was involved with Way Out ............... Don King was born in Cleveland, Ohio. He ran an illegal bookmaking operation and was charged for killing two men in separate incidents 13 years apart. The 1st was determined to be justifiable homicide after it was found that King shot Hillary Brown in the back and killed him while he was attempting to rob one of King's gambling houses. King was then convicted of 2nd degree murder for the second killing in 1966 after he was found guilty of stomping to death an employee who owed him $600. King's attorney plea bargained his conviction down to non-negligent manslaughter for which he served just under four years in prison. King was later pardoned for the crime in 1983. King entered the boxing world after convincing Muhammad Ali to box in a charity exhibition for a local hospital in Cleveland with the help of singer Lloyd Price. Early on he formed a partnership with a local promoter named Don Elbaum, who already had a stable of fighters in Cleveland and years of experience in boxing. In 1974, King negotiated to promote a heavyweight championship fight between Muhammad Ali and George Foreman in Zaire ('the Rumble in the Jungle').
  4. This article I wrote almost 15 years ago illustrates what a frustrating time Clevland based soul singers had to endure. It deals with the career of the Soul Notes & Bill Spoon but it could apply to just about any local soul singer .......... ............. BILL SPOON ............ In 1997 a Channel 4 TV documentary dealing with the duties of the LA Coroners office was screened in the UK.One of the people who's day to day tasks were illustrated in this programme was a department member by the name of William Bell. Now for most people who saw the documentary this will prove to be their one & only insight into the life of William Bell. However northern / modern soul fans will already be acquainted with his work in the music business where he is better known under his recording / stage name of Bill Spoon. William Bell (Bill Spoon) was born on November 6th, 1942 in Jefferson County, Alabama. His interest in music began at an early stage under the tutelage of the late Alex Bradford. His home area must have been a hot bed for musical talent as Bill grew up in the company of numerous others who were later to forge successful recording careers. Bill attended High School with Frederick Knight, Barbara Joyce Lomas (later to become a founding member of BT Express) plus Richard & Jessie Fisher. In fact, for a short period, Bill and Richard sang in the same street corner group. He would get together to write songs with his neighbour, and long time friend, Roger Hatcher and he also participated in local talent shows with the likes of Eddie Kendncks &: David Ruffin. Bill was also a member of the Miles College Chorus where one of his fellows was Mitty Collier who would go on to enjoy success with Chess Records. In the early sixties Bills plans for a musical career seemed as if they would have to be put on hold as he was called up into the Army. However he soon turned the situation to his advantage, as he spent two years (1962/3) entertaining the troops in Korea as lead singer for an outfit known as the Soul Masters. He was relocated to Germany for a further period where he was lead singer for a group who went by the name of the Uniques. In 1965, at the end of his tour of duty, he returned to Alabama where he completed his education in Birmingham At the time, however, there were few opportunities in the area to make the inroads into the recording business that Bill aspired to. As a result of this he followed the example set by Eddie Kendricks and David Ruffin and moved north to relocate in Cleveland, Ohio. Other locals took the same road, Richard and Jessie Fisher also making the same move with Roger Hatcher following a few years later. On his arrival in Cleveland, Bill was reunited with Walter Ricky Dannison who he had got to know before going into the Army, this occurring in June 1965. Walter introduced him to Leroy Elie, with whom Ricky had sung while Bill was in the army. Riki, Leroy and Bill realised that they had the gist of a competitive singing unit, but were one voice short of a true blend. In August 1965, they met John Cornbread Berry and he became the fourth member of the as yet un-narned group. The group started to perform in night clubs but only on weekends as they all had full time day jobs. Walter did some form of quality control at the Cleveland Chrysler Auto Plant, Leroy was a commercial electrical and mechanical architect, while John was the floor manager at a metal photo processing plant. Bill himself was a criminal investigator for the State of Ohio. Soon after the line-up adopted the name the Soul Notes their collective efforts were recognised as in November 1965 they were signed to a recording contract by locally based Way Out Records. The group continued to gain experience and hone their performances and by 1967 Way Out were ready to let them record in their own right. Initially two tracks were laid down, “How Long Will It Last” and “Don't Make Me Beg” but Way Out were in the process of negotiating a national distribution deal with MGM and so the companies releases were delayed while this was completed Early in 1968 though the two tracks were released as a single, Way Out 1001. The group returned to the recording studio and a further two tracks were recorded, “I Got Everything I Need” and “I've Been Waiting For Your Love”. Way Out decided a second single was warranted on the group and so in 1969 they enjoyed another release, “I Got Everything I Need / How Long Will It Last” -- Way Out 1006. For some reason Way Out decided to leave Ive Been Waiting For Your Love on the shelf as they re-used one side of the groups first single. This decision undoubtedly robbed uptempo soul fans of a potential favourite as “I've Been Waiting For Your Love” had definite dance floor potential. The song had been driven by Bill along with group member Walter Riki Dannison and the Sensations Johnny Washington. Someone at Way Out must have thought the song had potential though as they got James Calloway to come up with an alternative set of lyrics.The revised version of the song was later (1971) to be recorded & released for the company by Jessie Fisher, the songs new title being “You're Not Loving A Beginner” -- Way Out 104. The Soul Notes cut a further 6 tracks in Way Outs studios in 1969 but unfortunately none of these gained a release. The songs laid down by the group were “Please, Baby Please” (a version of the Sensations track), “I Cant Wait Until The Weekend”, “Try It, You'll Like it”, “I'm On My Way”, “I'll Wait For You” and “Alone”. The groups treatment by Way Out was distressing its members and in 1969 John Berry quit the group. His place was taken by Avon Wells, but Avons stint with the Soul Notes was short lived as within a few months he moved on (becoming a member of the Imperial Wonders). Bill, Riki & Leroy continued on as a trio but in early 1970 a power struggle broke out at Way Out and the companies management became chaotic. In the confusion a number of projects got lost, a new Soul Notes release being amongst these. Bill is sure a few test pressings featuring tracks they had laid down in 1969 were made but none enjoyed an official release. Discouraged with their future the Soul Notes broke up. Bill Spoon decided a change was again called for and so he moved back down south, relocating to Memphis where he worked briefly with Frederick Knight. Bill soon returned to Cleveland though and later in 1970 he cut his first tracks as a solo artist. He cut five songs in all (“Gotta Go On”, “It's Hard Livin Alone”, etc.) and these were destined for release on Springboard Records. A few demo copies were pressed up but unfortunately the scheduled release failed to make it into the shops. Bill next acted as producer /arranger on a session for Walter Dannison, who now went by the recording name of Riki Sonda, but again a release failed to materialist. In the meantime Bill had formed a relationship with Bobby and Friendly Womack and so he moved out to California which was where they were based. Here he met Pete Peterson and Tom Wilson and in conjunction with them he landed a recording deal with Angel City Records who were to be distributed by Polydor. Bill cut 4 tracks for the label in 1972, 2 more in 73 and another 4 in 1974 however the untimely death of their executive producer, Tom Wilson meant the project ended. A number of the tracks were co-written / produced by Gene Dozier these marked the first occasion that Bill and Gene had collaborated in the recording studio. Four of these tracks were to find favour with UK soul fans in the late 80s when they were reissued on a Hense Forth 12". The tracks involved were “I Can Feel It” (from 1972), “She'll Be Lucky” (from 1973 — both of these being written / produced by Bill himself), “The One Who Really Loves You” and “I Bet You Cant Love Me One More Time” from 1974 (both being co-written & produced by Gene Dozier). Yet again Bill returned to Cleveland and here he organised a deal with Hot Ice Records. In 1976 he recorded 2 tracks for the company, a further two in 77 and five more in 78. One of the tracks that he recorded at this time was a song Bill had written with ex - Soul Note Riki Dannison, “I Got God On My Side”. Once again unfortunately nothing really resulted from the association. By 1980 Bill had thrown his lot in with Bob Davis who had earlier run the Day-Wood label. Gene Dozier, who at the time was working for Solar Records, was brought across to Cleveland to oversee the proposed recording session. At this session Bill laid down 2 tracks, “Love Is On The Way” & “Don't Play With My Love” and these were released on the newly instigated Highland label. Unfortunately the company didnt have the finances to properly promote and distribute the single and so commercial success eluded Bill yet again. The quality of the tracks was appreciated by UK fans though and the single became a much sought after item on this side of the pond.Eventually, to satisfy the pent-up demand, the record was also reissued on Henseforth in the late 80s. The problems the Highland release experienced finally convinced Bill that he wasnt going to establish a successful recording career in Cleveland and so in the early 80s he returned to Los Angeles. Over a period of several years he collaborated on projects with the likes of Friendly Womack, Leon Haywood, Lou Ragland and Gene Dozier. By the end of the eighties he was ready to give a solo career a try again. He linked up with Hense Powell and a number of tracks were laid down. The result of this work saw the light of day in 1990 when the Henseforth LP 'Talk To Me' was released This 8 track strong album immediately found a receptive audience in the UK but unfortunately making the US record buying public aware of its existence and quality was to prove a more difficult task. A number of songs on the allbum help illustrate the enduring musical associations that Bill had developed over his long career as they were co-written with old allies. One of the LPs most popular tracks, “Kick Back” was composed in conjunction with Lou Ragland whilst Riki Dannison assisted with “Look At Yourself”. Further Henseforth recordings escaped in 1995 when the single “I Rode The Crest Of The Wave / No Way To Live” was released but again it failed to find a wide audience. Bill isn't a person whos easily discouraged though and he continued to work on new material. He re-recorded “I Got God on My Side” along with a number of other songs. Bill's duties with the L.A Coroners Office were becoming too arduous on a day to day basis and so he was determined to make another effort in the recording field. He had plans to release a new C D but again this project failed to materialise. More recently Bill got to retire and so quit LA to be nearer to famoily members. He certainly deserved to get more recognition for the fine work he had undetaken in the recording studio down the years, he never really received the plaudits long due to him.
  5. Edwin back in Cleveland (ahead of him signing with RicTic) ...
  6. Some good East Yorkshire sleeves there ........... I used to be a regular in Hull for a few years from the middle to the end of the 60's. Bought quite a few bits at Sydney Scarborough's + a few more places in the city centre & on Holderness Rd. The 2nd hand shops up Beverley Rd were also good for UK & Euro soul 45's (the Uni was up that way & skint students used to sell their 45's to buy food at the end of term + with Hull docks being a thriving port back the,n records came in on the boats from Germany & the like). The Skyline Ballroom (top floor of the Co-op Dept Store) had good acts on (UK & US soul outfits) until it was transformed into a night club (when the likes of the Flirtations & Fantastics would be on with all the usual pop acts). Also had 3/4 decent clubs; Discotheque on Whitefairgate (they had the odd soul niter there), the Gondola, Intercon (in the 70's) and a place next to the river in Witham (can't recall the name of it though). My mate, Steve Mercer DJ'ed at the last two clubs. There was a good club in Grimsby that I seem to recall was mentioned on a SS thread a while back. Spent much of summer 66 in there. They also had a decent soul club in Goole & in Brid (the Jungle -- down on the harbour) back around 1967 .... ... & a couple of decent ones in Scarboro (in the 70's).
  7. Heard back from my Cleveland contacts & it seems that a deal on the Way Out stuff is still possible (people still around who hold the rights). All it needs now is someone who wants to license the tracks and a fair portion of luck ........... The master tapes for the unissued stuff has to be 'found' in the studio vaults and have still to be in 'salvageable condition'. I now that when Ady was there, the guys at the studio were in 'very lazy mood' & not willing to look for much of anything in the tape vaults.
  8. Ady, I have sent you a pm message.
  9. Losing their lead singer finished off many a group, but when Johnny Moore jumped ship to join the Drifters, the Hornets soldiered on. The group's new leader was Ben Iverson and they stuck with the plot through to the early 60's when the group landed a record deal with Way Out. Eventually they gave up due to changing music styles but Ben Iverson still wasn't finished. He relocated to New York and continued his music career as both a solo artist and as a group lead singer. He helped form the group Ben Iverson & Nue Dey Express who had a 45 out on Britne. The group then landed a deal with RCA and had the track "(You Can't Bend My) Super Rod" out that featured Ben on lead vocals (on the voc side of that single). The group teamed up with new producers & for whatever reason (conflict between those producers & Ben who saw himself very much as the group leader or the producers not liking his old style vocal delivery) Ben was ousted from the group. Their producers & RCA re-named them; Crown Heights Affair) & they went on to have worldwide hits.
  10. Some mid 1950's shows in Cleveland. Groups featured include the El Dorados, the Metrotones, the Hornets and others. The Hornets were another local outfit that recorded. In 1953 they were doing well, their lead singer being Johnny Moore. The Drifters came thru Cleveland for a show, spotted Johnny and recruited him to join their group. So he packed a bag & went on the road as a Drifter. He had a solo spell after his run in the military (as Johnny Darrow) and then went back to the Drifters when a vacancy occurred, It was Johnny who led the Drifters when they relocated to the UK in the 70's.
  11. Like every big US city, Cleveland had its own TV version of 'American Bandstand'. Cleveland's equivalent went out weekly on ABC from 1964 to 1971, it was called UPBEAT. Loads of top acts got to appear on the show including some local soul acts. The O'Jays were on, as was Sonny Turner with the 60's Platters. Otis Redding was on in December 1967, he sang solo ("Respect" backed up by the Barkays) & then did a duet with Mitch Ryder ("Knock On Wood"). He was in the city to do the show & play a gig at Leo's Casino. After the show, he touched base with Kim Tolliver who was back home after being a member of Otis' touring review. After that he headed to the airport & his private plane to get to his next engagement. The plane crashed en-route & Otis + some of the Barkays were killed.
  12. Dave, did you manage to track down any more of those Eastern European Motown cardboard singles ??
  13. You're wrong there Bob. I googled her & quickly learnt that she's the illegitimate daughter of Ben Franklin ... now I never knew that !!
  14. Yes, Ann Bogan (later a Marvelette & member of New Birth) & the guys in the Challengers were from Cleveland. George Hendricks, a current member of the Hesitations, has a long musical pedigree...... His first major singing position was in the Sahib's who around 1960 were one of Cleveland's finest soul groups (they performed on bills with the likes of James Brown, Jackie Wilson and most of the Motown acts). The group were just about the top local draw at the time but had no interest in recording and so never left a 'vinyl legacy' to look back on. After this, he was a member of 'Ann Bogan and the Challengers' who recorded "Honey Honey Honey" / "Everyday" for the Tri Phi label. He was then to serve in Viet Nam & after returning took a break from the music biz. Then in the 70's, he joined Red Top and the Young Family who recorded "Love Power / Barbara" released on the Tri City Label (owned by Choker Campbell). George toured the US with the group for several years. In the late 70's he joined long time friend (& former Sahib) Lou Ragland & they formed the Chosen Few. Later still, George was vocalist for Harvey and the Phenomenals (ex of Daywood label). .... more on George (& Edwin) here ....... https://rockhall.com/...-music-history/ Cleveland in the 50's & 60's had the artists and the recording studios (though in the 50's these were very basic) ... ..... the city never had a local guy with money who was prepared to invest cash into setting up a label and properly financing releases with decent distribution. Way Out came the closest to becoming an established label (& their studio was really more of a front for 'number runners'). Way Out established deals (for distribution) with the likes of Atlantic & MGM but still didn't have the money to really go for it big time. Their biggest investor (after the start up) was Amer Football player Jim Brown (hence their Big Jim label). But Brown hooked up with the Friends of Distinction & went off to Hollywood to star in film's & build that group's career. Too many Cleveland soul 45's say ... 'from the album ????' but those albums never got released (even though the tracks were cut) because of lack of funds. Many of the master tapes for loads of unreleased 60's soul cuts lay locked in a studio vault just outside the city to this day. If they aren't 'rescued' soon, they will fall to pieces and the cuts will be lost forever.
  15. I know little about the Annuals, except that they were managed by Marty Conn & had 45's out on his labels (Marconn & Conn Records; based on South Green Rd) ....... this ain't soul, its doo wop ... but this is the sort of sound Edwin's group was making back in the 50's ..... ......... "Everybody talks about 'Get a Job' ... " (should please Robb though , if he checks out this thread).
  16. Charles Drain pictures ..... ..... one a publicity shot, the other him in action ...... Charles Drain in the studio ............... Charles' Emkay 45 ............. The Tabs on tour ................ Baltimore Royal Theatre: 1962
  17. Charles Hatcher (Edwin Starr) was born in Nashville in January, 1942 but his family moved to Cleveland, Ohio while he was still young. Here Edwin was educated at the city’s East Technical High School. Whilst a student at this school his interest in singing developed. This isn’t surprising as the school seems to have been a spawning ground for male vocal groups at the time. The likes of the LaSalles & Carousels, who were both to go on to secure recording contracts, started up while the members were attending the school. Edwin also became a member of a group formed at the school, his group adopting the name of the FutureTones. The group got its name by adapting the name of an established local group, the Metrotones. The Metrotones had started to come together as early as 1953 and they quickly built up a local following. Initially an all male outfit, the group's manager recruited Kim Tolliver to join them for a short period. The group's popularity led to them securing a recording contract and in 1958 they had enjoyed a release on the local Reserve label, “Please Come Back / Skitter Skatter”. The links between the two groups went further than just similar names though. They came from the same part of the city and the Metrotones leader, Sonny Turner, took Edwin under his wing and helped teach him to sing properly. The Reserve single was to prove to be the high point of the Metrotones career, however Sonny Turner was to go on to become lead singer with the Platters in the 60’s. Another member, Leonard Veal, ended up joining the Hesitations a few years later. The FutureTones consisted of Edwin, John Berry, Parnell Burks, Richard Isom and Roosevelt Harris. The group performed at school shows and set about increasing their profile locally after Edwin graduated from school in 1956. They became ground breakers on the Cleveland scene as they soon became the first local outfit to be fully self contained, having their own instrumentalists as members. The musician members of the group were Russell Evans (guitar), Pinhead (trumpet), Julius Robertson (bass), Brownie (drummer) and Gus Hawkins (sax). The group would enter local talent contests such as those that were held at the Circle Ballroom. At these they would be up against other aspiring groups of young hopefuls trying to get onto the bottom rung of the ladder they hoped would eventually lead to recording success. Group names that Edwin recalls are the Sahibs, the Monarks and the Crescents. The Sahibs had also been formed at a local school, this time though it had been Rawlings Junior High School. At the time one of their members was George Hendricks who was later to become a member of Way Out group, the Exceptional 3. A couple of years later Lou Ragland was to be co-opted into the group by its leader, James Dotson. Edwin acknowledges that the Sahib’s would almost always put on a fantastic performance, which his outfit had to strive to top. The FutureTones would usually perform the Metrotones song “Skitter Skatter” and they must have done it well as they won contests on 8 or 9 separate occasions. Edwin puts this down, in part, to his outfit’s better stage act as they were better dancers than most of their rivals. Edwin particularly remembers one contest though, at this the FutureTones and Sahibs were pitted against each other and their performances couldn’t be separated. As a result of this, the two groups were adjudged joint winners. The leader of the Crescents was William Burrell, who adopted the professional name of Billy Wells. Billy went on to enjoy a long and successful recording career both with the Crescents and later with the Invaders and the Outer Realm. Billy relocated to Florida in the 60’s and here he cut a track, “This Heart, These Hands”, that was to go on to find favour with UK northern soul fans. The Monarks, Edwin recalls, would perform mostly El Dorados and Spaniels type tunes. Other local outfits around at the time were the Fabulous Flames, Annuals and Cashmeres. The Fabulous Flames would enjoy releases in the late 50’s and early 60’s on Rex, Time and Baytone. Their line-up included Harvey Hall who would later go solo and record for Thomas Boddie’s Luau label. The group would alternate between having four and five members and so would always be taking on temporary members. One such member was Richard Fisher (Jessie’s brother) who was to relocate to New York in the sixties and join the Jive Five. The Annuals later secured a recording contract through their manager, Marty Conn, who started his own label, Marrconn Records. When the group broke up, members went on to join the Springers (Jeff Crutchfield) and Hesitations (Arthur Blakey). The Cashmeres, like the Sahib’s, never recorded in their own right, but the outfit’s Kenny Redd made it into the studio’s in the early 70’s when he was with Miystic Insight group True Movement. The FutureTones, along with the other groups mentioned, would do the rounds of all the Cleveland live venues. The Mercury Ballroom, the Lucky Strike, Gleason’s, the Che Breau Club, the Rose Room at the Majestic Hotel, the Cedar Gardens, Playmor and Chatterbox Club. Joan Bias, who recorded for Way Out in 1963, recalls watching a really good FutureTones performance at the Cedar Gardens in the late 50’s. The Majestic Hotel was at that time employing two émigrés from down south, Eddie Kendricks and Paul Williams. Eddie was employed in the kitchen while Paul was a bell hop. The pair were using their positions at the hotel to good effect though. They would rehearse songs after work from around midnight to 3am along with the third member of their outfit, Kell Osbourne. They would also occasionally secure bookings to perform properly at the hotel. However the pair soon decided that Cleveland didn’t offer them the musical opportunities they were seeking and so they moved on to Detroit. Eventually the FutureTones got to appear on a local TV show, the 'Gene Carroll Talent Show' and not long afterwards they went professional. The first engagement they secured after this was at the Chatterbox Club (which was located on Woodland near 55th Street) as support act to Billie Holliday. Edwin was totally in awe of Billie and although he got the opportunity to visit her dressing room to speak with her he doesn’t think that his attempts at conversation would have been too coherent. Further successful engagements followed and in 1959 the group secured a recording contract with Tress Records. A single, “ I Know / Rolling On” was released and made a few waves locally. With a promising future in prospect for the group things appeared to be on the up for its members' but fate was to take a hand. In 1960 Edwin was drafted into the Army. Here his obvious talent as a singer was soon recognised and he got to perform for other servicemen at bases across the USA and Germany. Upon his discharge in 1962 he returned to Cleveland and attempted to pick up the reigns with the group again. In his absence, one of his old friends Demon (William Isom) had joined the group but they hadn’t been able to progress their career. With Edwin back in the fold they continued to perform locally but they had lost the impetus they had possessed a few years earlier. In 1963 Bill Doggett and his group swung through Cleveland and at the time Doggett was on the lookout for a new vocalist. Edwin caught his eye and so was offered the position. He accepted, quit the FutureTones and left town to tour with his new outfit. Bill Doggett had a great influence on Edwin, especially with regard to his professional attitude to the business. He didn’t drink, always expected good discipline and insisted that those associated with him were accessible to the people they came in contact with. After a couple of years on the road with Doggett, Edwin began to develop his song writing skills and inspired by a James Bond movie he wrote ‘Agent OO Soul’. He thought the song had commercial potential but knew that to tie in with the hype currently associated with the spy movie it would have to be recorded straight away. He took the song to Doggett but, obviously not wanting to lose his talented vocalist, Doggett suggested it was too early for him to be contemplating cutting a record. Luckily for Edwin one of their next live performances was at the Twenty Grand in Detroit. At this he was approached by Lebaron Taylor, which led to an introduction to Ric Tic Records and the rest is history. With an instant solo hit on his hands, Edwin had to immediately put together a backing band so that he could tour to cash in on his new found success. He didn’t really know too many available musicians in Detroit so it was only natural that he returned to Cleveland to recruit the backbone of his needed line-up. The FutureTones had soldiered on after Edwin had left them but the vocalist’s in the line-up began to loose interest and gradually drifted away into normal 9 to 5 jobs. In fact no other vocalist from the group would go on to forge a career in the music industry. The musician side of the group however had gone from strength to strength. They found employment around Cleveland backing up visiting acts such as the Temptations. The respect that they commanded locally also led to them being used on recording sessions, with work on O’Jays and Intertains sessions being amongst those secured. On Edwins return to scout out members for his tour band he sought out his old friends and in no time he had persuaded Gus Hawkins and Julius Robertson to go on the road with him. The pair stayed with him for some time before they eventually tired of living out of a suitcase and returned home to Cleveland. The pair’s departure with Edwin had finally signalled the end for the FutureTones and leader Russell Evans took a position in the O’Jays backing band. In the 70’s Gus Hawkins was to become a member of Musicor recording group S.O.U.L. and Russell Evans was to lead the backing band for Sounds of Cleveland / Devaki recording group, Truth. Edwin hadn’t finally severed his links with Cleveland though as in 1970 he returned to the city once again. This time he recruited local outfit, Mother Braintree, as his road band. After a year or so they also returned home where members were to merge with another local outfit to form the Dazz Band. Edwin’s many years of commercial world-wide success only took off after he had left Cleveland, however he had spent his formative years in the city. Without the grounding he gained there who can say how his career would have progressed. He was still certainly well remembered by many residents of the city in the 1990's. Among the old friends that were hoping Edwin would return to the city was William ‘Demon’ Isom, who at the end of that decade still worked at Republic Steel.
  18. ......... QUESTION ........ The Teek 45 releases produced by Billy Drain (Charles brother) were all pressed up at the same time ... .... their ZTSC numbers being ....... Billy James ........ 96622 Petites ............... 96624 Ascots ............... 96626 Anyone tell me exactly when they were made ??
  19. A montage of bits to help illustrate Charles' music career ..........
  20. When Edwin was on Jools Holland's LATER show, he said that he first got to meet Sam & Dave at a big gig they undertook at the Cleveland Arena (which must have been around Spring 1966 after S&D had enjoyed their 1st big hit). Edwin said that Cleveland had a great entertainment scene back then with all the top soul acts playing venues in the city. All the top acts played the Cleveland Arena back then (which when it wasn't being used for music shows was the home of the Cleveland basketball team, the Cavaliers. The venue was closed in 1974 & demolished in 1977. ........... a few top soul acts performing there ......
  21. Charles Drain was born in Eupora, Mississippi back in 1939. He began singing at the age of eight and formed his first group a couple of years later. After moving to St Louis, he secured work singing back-up vocals before joining the "Tabs" as their lead singer. The group back then consisted of Charles Drain, Sonny Robertson (1st tenor), John Hopkins (2nd tenor) & Lionel Stokes (baritone). All the guys were childhood buddies though a couple of additional members (Tuman Hughes & Leroy Terry) had dropped out down the years. Sonny Robertson had started out in gospel groups as a teenager and had sung in male gospel quartets back in St Louis with the likes of Mel & Tim. Although not actually a member of the group, Charles’ brother William (Billy) was influential in their development. Billy schooled the group, helping them develop their singing skills plus he wrote songs especially for them. The group were signed by Vee Jay in 1962 and they enjoyed two 45 releases. Their first single was issued in December 1961 and this coupled “Dance All By Myself” (written by Ollie Jones) with “Dance Party” (written by Charles Drain himself). The Tabs courtesy of "Doowop - Groups and Discography" http://www.blogg.org...rs-1310328.html Their 2nd 45 also featured a song that Charles had written; “Mash Them Taters” (c/w “But You're My Baby”) and this escaped in June 1962. They got to tour, playing shows with the Miracles, Flip Wilson, Redd Foxx, Moms Mabley and the Isley Brothers at venues such as the Apollo, the Uptown in Philly, the Howard in D.C. & the Regal in Chicago. For their show at the Apollo, they were backed up by a group of musicians that included Phillip Upchurch (guitar) and King Curtis (sax). Next, the group were signed to a deal by New York based Wand Records. Their initial outing for the label was “Two Stupid Feet” (written by Wand's Luther Dixon) which was backed with a Billy Drain song “The Wallop” (Wand 130; February 1963). Reggie Obrecht, who had earlier worked with Leiber & Stoller on tracks by the Drifters, was responsible for the arrangements on the tunes. This single got some radio airplay and so Wand got behind it's release and placed some ads in US music magazines. By April, “Two Stupid Feet” was popular enough to land the group a big theatre gig in Philadelphia and this was followed by a number of other theatre bookings on the east coast circuit. Another 45 came out that July; “Take My Love Along With You (William Drain) / I'm With You” (Ed Townshend, Alvin Stewart) but this didn't do as well. The group had cut a number of other tracks for Wand (“The Big Show”, “The Landlord” and “Laughing To Keep From Crying”) but these failed to make it out of the tape vaults and so their career began to drift. While Charles had been away from St Louis performing with the Tabs, his brother Billy had teamed up with Freeman Bosley and he did some work for Bosley's Teek label. Billy wrote some new songs and cut them on acts such as Billy James, the Ascots and the Petites (who included Barbara Carr in their line-up). Some of Billy's songs (written in conjunction with Reggie Obrecht) were also used on Scepter / Wand artists. “You Upset My Soul” was cut by Maxine Brown plus Don Gardner & Dee Dee Ford in 1963 and “Put Yourself In My Place” by Azie Mortimer, Maxine Brown, Dionne Warwick & Big Maybelle. Around the mid 60's, Charles decided that his future career prospects would be improved if he went solo and he soon followed that route. Still working in conjunction with brother Billy, Charles cut “Stop And Think About It” which was written & produced by Billy. Backed with “So Glad”, this was issued on Top Track (part of L-G Record Company of 4200 Missouri Avenue, East St Louis). Billy utilised local female group the Petites to back up Charles on his Top Track recordings, the ladies (Barbara Carr, Pat & Dorothy Ewing) giving a good account of themselves. The 45 did little at that time but it has gone on to be a highly collectable single that commands a high price with collectors. Charles continued to lay down tracks, some of these being cut under the supervision of Oliver Sain and brother Billy. When shopped around, two were picked up by Chess Records and released in June 1967 (“She's Gone / Here I Am”; both songs being written by Charles). He must have traveled up to Chicago to help promote his new 45 as in August he was appearing at clubs on the city's south side. One such venue being The Club (formerly the Club De Lisa) on South State Street (where the likes of Alvin Cash & the Crawlers, Otis Clay & Josephine Taylor were also regular performers). While in Chicago, Charles found himself singing backing vocals in local studios in support of artists signed to labels based in the city. But his solo releases again dried up and by the 1970's, Charles was back in St Louis trying to once again resurrect his music career. "¨"¨A new studio (CMC) had been built in St Louis and Kent Washburn had been appointed to run it and cut locally based acts. The first acts he worked with included the Hypnotics (who included ex Voice Masters member James Thompson in their line-up) and Marcus Kelly and Westmoreland Co. Phil Westmoreland was the leader of Westmoreland Company and he already had some studio experience as he had worked with the likes of Oliver Sain plus Charles and William Drain (the team writing some songs together). Work commenced At CMC and a major label deal set up for the Hypnotics. Another local who Kent Washburn recruited was Michael (Love)Smith. Born in St Louis, Michael initially led, sang lead & wrote for the family based group the Smith Brothers> The group's first single was released on the Gold Future label, the house label for the St Louis based Gold Future studios. Later in 1970, the group hooked up with the Isley Brothers and had a 45 released on the brother’s T Neck label . Under the revised name of Smith Connection, they were signed to H-D-H's Music Merchant label in 1972. But Michael wasn't making enough to support his family and so he jumped at the chance to join the CMC team. However the studio needed to be busier, so Kent Washburn and Michael (Love) Smith let it be known that they were holding auditions to find other singers to record. It came as no surprise that Charles was one of the first to learn of this and turn up at the studio to try out. Kent & Michael were suitably impressed and he was quickly signed up. The auditions also resulted in the Love Set being signed to a contract. Kent (with Michael L Smith) immediately started work on tracks for Charles Drain and the Love Set which it was agreed would be released by RCA. "¨ Unfortunately just at that time, things were going sour for CMC. There were other studios in St Louis and these were still cutting tracks. CMC Studio was the best & most modern studio in town but unfortunately this made it the most expensive to run. The studio wasn't making money and the parent company's Board of Directors and shareholders forced its closure. Kent found himself out of a job but he was allowed to keep the rights to all the masters and artists that had been cut in the studio as his severance pay. But he had to find a new work base in St Louis, so he checked out what the other three local studios had to offer. Kent made use of the facilities at Professional Artists studio (owned by Parvin Tramell), Gold Future Studio (owned by Russ Lewis) and Technisonic Studios. He made a deal with Parvin to use Professional Artists studio to cut rhythm tracks. Working with Bill Olszewski, the pair would shuttle back and forth between Professional Artists and Gold Future depending on what they were doing and the budget that was available to them. They took on some outside projects cutting other artists for releases on local labels, but working with Charles Drain was their main task. The acoustics at both Technisonic & Professional Artists were far from perfect so Kent cut some lead / backing vocals (+ strings & horns) on Charles Drain in RCA Studios in New York. One of the outside projects that Kent had taken on was with Jamal Trice. Trice had taken the master tapes produced by Kent, headed off to LA and had landed himself a deal with Motown. Impressed by what she heard on the tapes, Gwen Gordy approached Kent and also offered him a deal with Motown. After meeting with Gwen, Kent decided that working for the mighty Motown gave him & his family much more security, so he signed with the company. His Motown contract was prepared and the fine points were settled with RCA to enable him to conclude the work required on Charles Drain’s album. With the last string and horn session on the Charles Drain cuts finished in RCA’s LA studio (this was the only LA based horn session that Kent would ever actually play on himself), Kent completed work on the album in St Louis (on his own) and turned the project in to RCA. Kent was allocated new Motown group Hi Inergy to work with, but back in St Louis Charles Drain found himself without the services of the producer of his new recordings. RCA having licensed Charles' St Louis cut tracks, they set about releasing them. First to hit the shops was the 45 “Is This Really Love / Only You” (PB 10186 — January 75). "Is This Really Love" had been written by Michael Lovesmith and produced by Michael in conjunction with Kent Washburn). Despite “Is This Really Love” being a great uptempo cut that should have sold really well, RCA didn't promote it correctly and it slipped between the cracks. Charles would have to wait almost a year before his next release came out. This, another 45, coupled “Lifetime Guarantee Of Love (a Ray Dahrouge song) and “Just As Long” (10521 — early 76). After that, RCA started pushing out Charles' releases at a hectic rate. His 9 track strong album, 'Dependable' (APL-1414), soon followed, as did his final RCA 45. “I'm Gonna Stay / What Good Is A Love Song” (10594) effectively ending his RCA career in March 76. Due to their quality, some of his cuts had also escaped outside of the USA. In the UK, “Is This Really Love” made it out on a 45 in October 1976. His final US RCA 45, “I'm Gonna Stay,”has gone on to become a favorite with soul fans around the globe. Also after his “What You Don't Know” was included on the Various Artist US RCA album 'Disco Express Vol.2' in November 76, this was also released in Argentina. Back in LA,, Kent got to use some of the best studio musicians (Ray Parker, Paul Jackson, Ray Edwards, Ollie Brown, etc) on his work with Hi Inergy. Kent's initial Motown contract had been signed in early summer 1976 and had only been for a 12 month period. By July 1977, just as he was ready to submit the Hi Inergy album for release, the contract expired. He received a letter sent out by Motown’s A&R Department stating that his contract wasn’t to be renewed, so Kent flew back to St Louis to see if he could resurrect his career back there. Still believing that he had submitted some great tracks to Motown, Kent just teamed up again with Charles Drain and they started work on four new songs. After having seen how good the likes of Syl Rivers, Ray Parker, Ollie Brown and Ray Edwards had been on the Hi Inergy tracks, Kent was keen to use the ‘Motown Boys’ again. So he got them involved with three of the tracks that Charles cut; “A Little Bit of You” (written by Ray Parker), “Who’s Gonna Love You” (written by Gloria and Richard Jones) and "You're In My Dreams". One finished track from Charles remained spare from the RCA deal, this being "I Could Stay All Night" which had been recorded in St Louis at about the same time as his tracks that RCA had put out. Kent's new work with Charles was progressing well and some weeks had passed since he had arrived back in St Louis. Then a call came in from Gwendolyn Fuller (Gwen Gordy’s close colleague). She said that Berry Gordy himself had heard the tracks Kent had laid down on Hi Inergy and was mightly impressed with them. When he had been told that Kent’s contract had been terminated, he had immediately issued instructions that matters be put right. So Kent was reinstated at Motown and he flew back to LA. This action though resulted in the new Charles Drain tracks being left incomplete. Kent's Hi Inergy tracks enjoyed instant commercial success (the group's 1st 45 “You Can't Turn Me Off” going to No. 2 on the US Soul charts). Following that, Kent entered into a working arrangement with the group that lasted for another two years. But in 1979, Kent Washburn quit his position with Motown and looked around for a new challenge. He still had the master tapes for some tracks he had cut in St Louis in the mid 1970’s that remained unissued and these would provide him with one opportunity. Almost immediately he met Tony Hart, the man behind the Hartsong Corporation that ran Spirit Records (a contemporary Christian rock label). The pair hooked up and Kent took the post of Vice President / General Manager of Spirit Records. The Hartsong Corporation had been set up in part to exploit a tax loophole. The Corporation produced and acquired masters that were then sold to investors to allow them to take advantage of tax credit rules. As long as records were pressed up and distributed, the product could be ‘sold on’ to investors who could then claim back more than they had paid as a tax write-off. Kent made the 'unused masters' cut in St Louis available and these were released on his re-activated Emkay label. A small number of each release was pressed up. These were ‘distributed’ as required under the tax laws but all that really happened was a few copies were sent to local DJ’s and industry people. Some copies were also passed along to the investors with the remaining stock going straight into a warehouse. So the public remained totally oblivious to the existence of these new Emkay records. In all there were 12 releases on the Emkay label in 1979; 10 No. 45’s + 2 No. LPs. One of the 45's (EM1008) featured Charles Drain's “I Could Stay All Night” (the song again being penned by Michael ‘Love’ Smith) which was coupled with a Westmoreland Co. instrumental (“Don't Suprise Yourself”). This action was taken as Kent only had one ‘finished’ track by Charles Drain that hadn’t already been released by RCA. No hope existed of any of the Emkay 45's resurrecting the careers of the artists involved and so Charles never got the chance to benefit from the release of the single. Things soon got worse however for the Hartsong Corporation. The company’s main funding came via the 'tax break' investments but the lawyer involved was getting a bit too creative in his tax write-off claims and Hartsong soon had major problems with the US government. The lawyer flew to Canada to try and es ape the consequences of his actions, but he was eventually rounded up and spent time in prison. Hartsong collapsed though and Kent had to move on, this time he embarked on a number of gospel projects in LA. Charles Drain was still 'out of the action' back in St Louis. Most St louis based soul acts left the city to make it big recording wise. Many went to Chicago or Memphis, but by the 1980's even this course of action was proving less successful. In any case, Charles was now in his 40's and the prospect of moving again in an attempt to further his music career wasn't a realistic prospect. He managed to stay connected locally and this resulted in his final record release. He cut some tracks that were put out by the St Louis based Professors' 50 / 50 label. This was run by Mitch Wadley (who wrote Charles' song & produced the track). “When You Say You Love Me” was a great deep soul cut which demonstrated that vocally Charles still had it. That was to be his last fling at reaching the wider record buying public and with Charles now being in his mid 40's, he drifted off the scene. About ten years later, Charles passed away in St Louis (March 1995) at the relatively young age of 55. He certainly had made his mark on the music business but with a bit more luck, he could have been up there with the most succcessful male soul singers. He was certainly equiped with the vocal talent to have enjoyed more fame and this fact was demonstrated when his RCA outing “Is This Really Love” was included on the Soul Brother Records CD 'the Wants List 3’ in 2007.
  22. Charles Drain was born in Eupora, Mississippi back in 1939. Tap to view this Soul Source News/Article in full
  23. Edwins early career View full article
  24. Don't believe it did escape on 45, though the UK (on odd occasions) put a different track on the B side of his 45's -- "Problem Solver" being one such cut).


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