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Quite a few goodly Womagic tracks on 12"ers ............. "So Many Sides of You" made it out on a UK Motown 12" as well as on a UK Motown 7". "If You Think You're Lonely Now" escaped as a Motown 12" B side track with "Suprise, Suprise" taking the top side honours AND the same cut ("Lonely") also escaped on a UK promo only Motown 12" (MPR13) which featured "Where Do We Go From Here" on the A side. .... then there was "Lay Your Lovin On Me" which made it onto a German Motown 12" (again as the B side). Going further back, there's the UA 12" that has "I Feel A Groove Coming On" as one of its tracks ........ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzDiC7WCk7M ........ So Many Sides of You https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK32ZAB0yts .... If You Think You're ......... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHTmtqlRRG0 .... Lay Your Loving ........... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh215bAGlro

Check out this old thread & the CD it deals with ............ There are other old threads that deal with good gospel dancers.

Betty's version is from 1976 (B side of "Life") ............. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUbfwLbwo20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aYzc0Z0Z8Q

Here's some jazzy stuff .............. Idris Muhammad ........ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yiMY1OARQU Gap Mangione ....... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2NAl-jfda0 Herbie Mann ........... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AORssYDjcw

Here's a few goodies ............. General Crook ........ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejWbnOcSIzk Aretha ............. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtMUQbnT_Lo Tony Momrelle .......... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Aq7-F80icc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbH-g6p_A8Q Chris Ballin .......... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzUozGZRRwM

A link to this video piece was put up on SDF ............. ..... The gradually disappearing ruins of Detroit The ruins of Detroit's proud industrial past have become something of a tourist attraction in the now bankrupt city. But development is revitalising some of the grandest ruins downtown, leaving ruin aficionados with mixed feelings. Duration: 02:37 It may be of interest to some on here .................... The link .... https://news.ca.msn.com/canada/video/?videoid=067d1565-620a-474b-9a4f-1769e5652429

I don't copy posts from other sites, Of course I find facts all over the net and elsewhere and sometimes the info comes from another internet site but I always add facts and expand on the info I find elsewhere. I didn't say exactly where I read the info with which I started this thread but don't see that as a crime as you obviously do. I always try to credit the 'original source' as I know you reprimand me for not doing so and as for your statement that 'you have also either ignored or just discounted other site requests' I can honestly say I have never been REQUESTED to credit info by other sites. I have written numerous (100's) of artist bios down the years and, if I haven't been able to contact the artist direct, I get info off the net and via my own research efforts but 'facts are facts' and if someone was born say in Baltimore in 1946 then that's the fact and I have to state that fact however I obtain the info. If quoting truths is what I'm doing wrong in the way I use the internet then I can only say I can't see a problem with what I do. I again fail to grasp your meaning when you say 'I post in a very strange manner' ?!?!? If you have examples of my 'very strange manner' please enlighten me.

With regard to pimping sites .............. Mike & Soul Source immediately spring to mind. I started this thread without any intention of it dissing Soul Source OR are you so precious that my reference to 'sites such as this' got your hackles up. Guess you'll suspend me again now.

I use the internet by logging on & searching, what's so wrong with that. I am a complete loss as to what you mean with your second line, I know you have issues with everything I post on here but try to get past your prejudices and hang ups. Just how do you believe I treat other's work, info and posts ?

Stories in the press this week about how readership levels of all music mags has dipped to an all time low. Lots of music journo's expected this dip in music mag sales to occur over the last 5 to 10 years but always expected on-line music forums to take up the slack with everyone joining & posting on them. HOWEVER it seems that membership & posting levels on lots of web based music forums is also way down and interest seems to be greatly diminished. In the soul field, some forums have shut down & certain others seem to be populated by people who don't have a great level of knowledge anymore (for instance the Motown section of SDF is just about totally taken up with posts about the Supremes; most dull). Huge numbers of 'kids' today don't buy music (they just do 'free-downloading') and are a lot more interested in computer games & the latest gadgets. Mind you, as well as spending 12 hours a day texting, most young'uns seem to go everywhere / do everything with headphones permanently stuck in their ears so just what they are listening to is beyond me. BUT is the 'writing on the wall' for forums such as this as interest dips in discussing all the various aspects of the worldwide soul scene ?

Why would you need to make a p*ss-poor quality recording yourself when just about every track you hear at a nighter is available on youtube in decent quality. Just write down the artist / title (providing it ain't a stupid cover-up) & check the web when you get home.

Lots of times (these days) the performance of live singers can easily be recorded straight off the 'sound desk'. That is done lots of times & I have quite a few such recordings that date back over the last 30 years. No one actually sets up a real mobile recording studio to capture a live show as the likes of the Stones (& other rock artists) used to do in the 70's / 80's (way too expensive).

A new radio series started yesterday on BBC Radio 4 (in the morning). It runs to 3 x 30 minute episodes & the 1st one went out yesterday but can still be caught on iPlayer ........ BIO: Jazz, Blues, Rhythm and Blues, Rock 'n' Roll, Soul, Funk and Hip-Hop; there's no question African American musical creativity has fuelled the modern music industry. But faced with racism and cultural theft for decades, African-American musicians, DJs, businessmen and women have struggled to have any real control or ownership in the business ............ https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03c3cmy

Just been reported on the 'Southern Soul Forum' that Charles 'Cole Black' Brown (ex of the Violinaires) recently passed away.

Copenhagen is a great place, have visited the city on a few occasions (my son works for a Danish oil company). Have purchased a few soul 45's (nowt rare) there but never managed to find out about any local soul nights to attend while there.

Pete, you are , as always, right ...... but the tale being recounted above happened in the UK ..... so I was talking about the UK classification of the track in the mid 60's.

A quickly made mock-up ..............

Maurice & The Radiants - Baby You've Got It Back in the 60's when we danced to this at venues like the Wheel it was either 'Club Soul' or 'Big City Soul' ............ R&B never came into it then & it doesn't these days either. ....... it's out & out soul with a big S Much like this similar track ........... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSwmlK_k_XE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmXeyPZnkwU

Quite like some Action stuff but their version of "Harlem Shuffle" is a total mess.

You're wrong there Ady. If you walk out across the beach for a mile, then you can catch the Cleggy Water Ballet team in training. They can be quite spectacular when a Humber gale is in full blow.

Good Venue Good Live acts (for me that is. Don't attend weekenders without a live act) Decent music (2 rooms > 60's & Modern) Good atmosphere (combination of music & people > enough of both & both decent) Good accommodation Good soul crowd in attendance Not too difficult to get to (distance, roads, weather).

Probably one of the acts that Jewel has unreleased tracks on in their archive. The person to (probably) confirm that is Paul Mooney who used to check through their unissued stuff listings back in the day.

There have been threads that have tried to explain this topic in the past .......... .......... .......... With regard to a statement in the Shit-fi article above .............. Is there any evidence of 45s on any of the tax scam labels? ..... There are a couple on Dellwood, but I don’t know if they were released before or after the albums. My guess is that Dellwood was a real label, and then was transformed into the tax scam It didn't seem to make any difference at all to the tax scam whether the releases were 45's or LP's though I guess it was easier to make much more money from releasing LP's. You make a claim saying you pressed up 10,000 LP's and can claim back a decent % of the wholesale price of around $4.30 (for a $7.98 retail cost release) ... say $30,000. If you did the same for scam 45 releases, no doubt you could only claim back around $5,000. So it was much easier to make loads of money by claiming for unsold LP's One tax scam label I do know quite a bit about was the LA based Emkay Records. In all there were 12 releases on the Emkay label in 1979 ........ 10 No. 45’s + 2 No. LPs. Six of the 45’s were soul outings with four being rock. The label's releases only included tracks that they legitimately owned whereas many labels put out stuff that didn't even hold the rights to (no doubt using tapes originally sent out by the artist reps in an effort to secure a record deal). In Emkay's case, the guys at the record company were approached by a 'wide-boy' lawyer who told them about the scheme and then operated the scam tax rebate claim on their behalf. Many of these lawyers sailed close to the wind with regard to what they actually claimed back (to increase their fees) and the guy who did this work for Emkay had to head across to Canada, when his dealings were discovered by the US Revenue Service, to escape jail. I guess some of these labels might have actually pressed up their releases in the quantities that were actually claimed back (i.e. 1000's of copies of each release) BUT as most 45's / LP's involved have remained scarce, I guess they did only actually press up dozens of copies of each rather than the 1,000's claimed for.

Close enough to the label switch over to have been pressed up on later version of label ..... IF .... a radio DJ had gotten behind either 45 and was playing it in his area for a few weeks or he had reactivated it coz it was a personal fave. If that was the case, it could easily have prompted label promo team to have 2nd press done & sent them out with sheet saying "big in Jackson" (or wherever). These two 45's released in Feb / March 1966 with label changeover coming in April 66.