Steve G

God don't say somebody is playing it again - Bloody awful. Seriously any DJ that plays that today deserves stringing up..... Has anyone mentioned the Themes yet "Hawaii 5-0" , "Afternoon of the Wino", "Colored Man", "Police story", "Outer Limits" etc......

Frankie Kah'rl "Don't fan the flame" (Gordy) (1976) This is THE Frankie Kahl BTW - his last 45 before he died - great piece of 70's Motown in my humble opinion!

....come on now.....you know I did

Don Varner "Tear stained face" on Veep anyone? Thanks for the examples John (M) - some food for thought. --> QUOTE(mark.b @ Feb 24 2006, 10:24 AM) link hi hohn does the fact that in the 70's due to a shortage of vinyl the rumour was that warehouse were recycled thus losing lots of stuff, if this is true then would explain why a lot of large run records are pretty hard to find. mark Good point Mark I forgot that - tons melted down in the 70s - probably including entire stocks of certain things

It's the "little naive" bit that gets me - I was never able to work out what he was singing at that point......Paul are we to assume this is coming out on Grapevine then? A worthy replacement for my knackered styrene copy with DJ run in hiss and considerable surface noise then

Thanks I wasn't aware of any other label - what else did it come out on?

Agreed and Peter certainly doesn't have to justify himself or feel guilty in any way.....what he chooses to pay for a record is his business.

Always preffered the mellow side Will have to flip it over and see.

Mine is on something like "NY Street Service" or something - but it is purple

James you would be surprised how often there were contractual disputes post pressing and pre release.....so those 1,000 copies would get thrown out in the trash -it happened more often than we might otherwise realise. Most often the singers / bands didn't even know the records had been pressed, let alone had a souveneir copy. You might be surprised at how many singers I met who never knew half their records ever came out, and got pissed when they found out cos they never got paid for the session in the first place. Other erasons for rarity apart from disputes a) copyright inflringment allegations pressing fault on one side c) producer doesn't like the finished product d) label goes bust without paying the pressing plant e) singer / label owner dies d) singer / band signs with another label ...we could go on..... Agree in theory it is unlikely that there is one surviving copy, but as we said earlier it's the word "known" that really matters / defines this, as until you find or become aware of another copy it's a "one off".

"Uphill climb to the bottom" is a FANTASTIC record and one I will always go back to.... I nearly choked on my wine glass when it suddenly appeared in the background of a 90s film a few years ago - I cannot recall the title now though.

.....One man's "one off" may be another man's shelf filler and no one has a difinitive knowledge of everything - that's what makes it all fun But agree let's not drift into cover ups on here, as I will bore you all senseless - do agree though a great thread. When I collected Arctic the only one I haven't got is "Chains of love" - I think that may be another one off to add to the list. "Just Like the Weather" on Bunky, I off? Also there's a dog rare thing on Philly Groove, so rare that I don't even know who sang it - missing number thing that does apparantly exist ....I'll get me coat!

You know I cannot stand this record Troutmeister

Just to pour some oil on the flames these are not the world's rarest records anyway. Rare indeed, but not the rarest. Hype normally put about by those who possess copies...... As we've said on here before there are plenty of USA "one known copy" titles about Agree on many of the Uk selections on here, and wonder what is the most that has ever been paid for a UK release?

Adam G wrote: "Cover ups!!!!!! nooooooo..Hate hate hate them infantile practice its like saying "look I have read this fantastic book it will knock your socks off.Im going to lend you it but Ive taken the cover off changed the title made the author up and scratched out the publisher and printer info so you cant find it for yourself " I will look forward to hearing it along with my anuall Sam Dees test pressing fix in a few weeks time as I missed the last time you played it Steve I thought you were going to play a Village track but didnt have time to play it ,must have been the other side?.A friend Tomo who is on here has had the 12" Sweet Hot lips for ages and always pushed it loverly groove". SHL got an afternoon spin, but not a night time spin (I sometimes try things in the afternoon to see if they garner any interest). It also got an airing in my Cleethorpes afternoon spot as well, either last year or the year before. Anyway see you in a few weeks, and will make sure I fit it in. Uncovered of course..... I do have a couple of c/u's though you will be disappointed to hear.

I'd agree Ty Karim is crossover. Another one is "Dead in the middle (of Heartbreak Avenue)" - apart from the evocative title this epitomises that crossover feel. You usually see demos of the other side "Imagine" Dunno why the issues are so tough...

Where would we put Darrow's Atco side "Let's get together" an old spin of mine which defies all styles described so far

Yep ten Wand - I exclude the Kingsmen 45s from that which I have point blank refused to collect, so if you add them probably over 20 in total. Other than that yep it's about ten. I do not believe that Just Brothers ever came out on Wand, despite being listed, so I have excluded that as well Memphis label = great, also MGM Sound of Memphis is quite nice. I forgot a few more Fame, Mar V Lus, Veep etc which I also collected...oh and O'Keh from about 7180 (63-64). Gave up and still need a handful of those, mostly odd things, though the one gaping hole NS wise is The Triumphs, which I was gonna get then the price went silly, so I never did. All of these labels harbour some nice little gems

Me for one. Very nearly covered it up until I realised it was "known" by some of the "afficionados" Sorry Jordi - I know someone was playing the other side - apologies for casting you in that role - trust all is well

Thanks - I had thought Jordi was playing the flip "Along the Beach" which is also an interesting side but not as good as SHL IMHO Glad to see it's getting spun a bit more - old Soul Essence spin.

Soul in all it's forms does it for me. I once had a girlfriend who tried to get me into the Smiths and I must admit a couple of their songs have a certain something about them....but no, deep, funk, northern, beat ballads, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, Y2K Soul.

All these labels are excellent labels to collect, so good luck with the quest. Yeah there are a few duffers on Stax, and the odd duffer on Volt - but they are overall great labels, and I enjoyed collecting them. There are a few that are impossible to find - one by the Mad Lads on early Volt which is a surfing song and which I still don't have, and a couple of odd Stax things. And there's a couple of missing numbers too in labels like Gospel Truth, despite what Stak O Wax says. Other major labels Ive collected in the past tended to be "classic" soul labels like Revilot, Ric Tic, Invictus / Hot Wax / MM, Loma, Minit, Glades / Alston, Abet, Wand (still need about 10 of these ) ,Goldwax, Philadelphia, Brunswick / Dakar, Buddah, Westbound etc. etc. And I can tell you that pretty most of them have a few duffers on - but despite that great fun to collect as you never know what you are going to turn up.

I agree with John M, Chalky and others definitions of crossover. Although it has all got a bit mixed up in todays scene, those guys have articulated the term in the way I understand it. Same with Girth mentioning the old "Voices" article. I'd therefore say that some of the bongo beat deep funk rejects we hear these days are most definately not crossover, albeit they get spun at venues, and some of them are pretty damn good. Crossover to me has an earthy chugging beat, and was a style caught between the Motown / Chi Sound uptempo style and the funk of James Brown and the like. Definately cast in time between the late 60s and early 70s. Anything beyond that to me is either "modern" in the northern sense (i.e. 30 years old modern), deep funk (Joseph Webster, Jerry Washington) or harmony soul (Nat Impulse, Fluorsecent Smogg etc). The one term that has been forgotten in all this is "70s" - to describe uptempo dancers from the period 73-77 - mainly with a doff of the cap to Philly or NY influences, stuff like Pinch of Perfection, Life "Tell me why" etc- and what great music that was! Cheers

Is someone playing it now?

Yep he played on tons of stuf when still a kid