Steve G

First signs were 67/68 in the context of the Hippie revolution. Modern soul in it's true sense to me is something from the last 2-3 years. However in the contect of the northern scene it means something that is in a modern style when compared to a 60s headbanger - so anything post 69/70 employing more than 2 track recording, in stereo, with strings, vibes and a softer beat. Same issue with Jazz - modern jazz encompasses anything from the 50s onwards yet I don't hear those boys arguing about the terminology much.

Certainly. I have been on record as saying that if I clear the floor at least once and maybe twice during a set then I am content that I have pushed the boundaries. In other words if the floor stays full throughout then you've probably played it toooooo safe. It's a risky strategy and the key of course is getting them back onto the floor after you've pushed the boat out. Where I think some fail is they can't read the floor period and so go with a style that clearly isn't working and are seemingly unable to change that - anyway enough about you . All joking aside Simon (and that was a joke), that is where I draw the distinction - on the one hand clearing the floor for one or two radical things and on the other doing a set that kills a venue dead. Hope that clarifies. Steve

No real stories about them then, just a bunch of local thugs in trendy brown suits and kipper ties as I remember them. My only encounter was going to wigan with £2 in my pocket and a return train ticket. So I paid my £1.50 to get in and they have system where Mrs Wood gives you a ticket and you give it in to a bouncer on the steps about five feet beyond where you buy it. So I give the bouncer my ticket, and proceed upstairs at which point he says - "hey you - you haven't given me a ticket" (I had). Load of balls really, I am detained for 40 mins telling him that yes I had bought a tivket and yes I had given it to him. He's going "no you didn't, you are not coming in" - tried to mug me for another £1.50 and eventually I convinced him that I only had 50p left, had come up from Kent etc etc. And eventually when he realised I wasn't going to pay again I got in. But what a low lie tosser he was and I wonder how many people he got an extra £1.50 out of? Good riddance, there are no great stories with those thugs!

Youd be surprised how many "DJs" struggle with these basic concepts

Not sure why everyone is getting wound up by this topic yet again..... Play it on original or carver if it's an acetate/cover up . If you don't have an original, don't play it. Play something else. Balls to this "it doesn't matter what format it's on" malarky espoused exclusively by those without the vinyl or the Sad Girl / Snake / Frank Wilson fraternity. Elsewhere there's a load of moaning going on about too many DJ's....well lets have a cull of those: who don't have the records for a start. We can then expand it to include DJs a) who can't read a dancefloor who don't play something exciting c) who can't use a mike d) who are unable to consistently cue up records without loads of dead air time or needles falling off the record. A simple but radical solution methinks.

Wot my one with the scratched out address no good now Actually I haven't played it for a while.......

An old Yarmouth spin and a fantastic side.....builds and builds.....I'd say 25 is a bar gin for the issue.

Lars has the other copy in Germany - a tremendous find on ebay. All the other copies that DJs play out are carvers - would a scan of a carver suffice Simon, in which case I am sure there are several who can supply it

including the many thousands who dance to frank wilson when not played by Kenny B or Tim B it would seem......

Look on the archives and you'll find a thread on this topic just about every week.

Yes my one is the one that's been passed around about 20 people......and yet it still plays brilliantly. All I'll say is the 2nd copy is in Europe (not UK). The owner is on here and if he wants he can come on. I am sure some of you will hear him play it soon enough though

Yes the label won't be scratched out. BTW King Moses died soon after making the record.

Will probably end up going for some OTT price. Don't think it's really that rare at all. Now if it was a Rouser copy

...and eventually onto me......then the 2nd copy turned up this year. It';s a record I never tire off even if I am not playing it out much these days.

Fantastic record which gets plays here at the more discerning venues.

Great sweet soul record both sides. Love it. Only on styrene I believe.

This happens on the modern scene. Saw Mike Ward play a 1 hour set off of two CDRs. But I think the northern scene is different as there isn't the same emphasis on original vinyl.

Precisely.

Yeah record companies have always got snotty about re-selling promos, and they do over here occasionally. As for a lawsuit, I am afraid in California there are people that would sue someone for coughing in earshot. It's a wacky place so it doesn't surprise me that some zeleous lawyers have filed. It's a tricky one though as we're back into the royalties argument.

But let's not forget the context of the time (1891 oops 1981) 1) it was losing money in the end - 300 in at the all nighters no other bookings 2) it was a dump 3) it was a fire risk and burnt down soon after closure It's all very well being romantic and saying it should have been preserved for future generations, but who would have paid to maintain it / upgrade it etc? It would have needed millions spent on it. Sorry but it had had it's day, and the scene moved on.

Hey what you do with your records is your business, you can cut as many carvers as you like. The difference we have in the UK is some people do exactly what you've done (sold the rare ones) and cut a carver - then they DJ out playing the carvers of the records they used to own- that's the difference and that's unacceptable practice to my mind. If you haven't got the original vinyl you shouldn't play it out. If you have then by all means play it off a carver. I also don't buy this "the punters don't care" malarky - down this way they do. In fact "up there" they do too. The only ones I've found that don't care are the "Have you got the Snake" brigade. As for "it's always happened" - yes it has, and I've always felt the same way about the Emidisc merchants of yesteryear. The only difference possibly in the 70s there was a lot less variety and a lot faster turnround of sounds with sounds breaking overnight, and a thirst for all the jocks to have a copy straight away. These days it takes years to get the rarities. Rant over....for now.

I am not condoning it. Just saying that was the deal.

The link page for mel wynn isn't coming up

Yes and that wasn't a problem for the buyer as at the time it was a total one off and the seller wanted to keep a copy (i.e. it was before the 2nd copy turned up).

and that my friend is the beauty of soul source....