Steve G

Pete, you are nice guy, but your continued defence of the indefensible is making you look totally fucking stupid. Everyone is saying it.

You can all think this is some sort of private deal between a few rich guys for personal enjoyment. More fool you. I have no doubt that this was an attempt to scam collectors from the start. One dealer was offered copies of some of these titles for money and recognised them for what they were straight away. Good for him. Then the moody Rita Graham and Magnetics appeared. The scam, to destabilise the collectors market was busted. A botch. Now they're being given away to placate people who complain about Soul Packs? FFS wise up people.

There seems to be a fad of putting album tracks on 7 and then saying "Oooh look what I have got, incredibly rare, no one even knew it was even on a 7". Egos and rare soul. I guess some people are fooled by it all (sighs).

Motown album tracks I believe.

Yup if you press up 200 at £2 each, you only need to "sell" one quietly off ebay etc. as an original to a punter and you've got your money back + then some. Alternatively sell them as "superior boots" at £50, drip feed a few out quietly and again Bob's yer uncle. Quids in. As Pete well knows many sales go through out of the spotlight, and it is not beyond the bounds of reason for an unscrupulous dealer (not Pete) to "target" a sale to a potential buyer….all quiet, no one knows. Someone posted a few months ago that Soussan was coming back and we'd all know soon. Makes you wonder

The maths is off here Mace. The cost of the label artwork, the masters, setting up the machines etc…no way are 1000 records across 20 titles going to get done for £1k. Whether it's 50 copies or 300, most of the cost is in the upfront setting up, not the number of copies, if that makes sense.

I do hope this isn't going to be all about Ian. It is ludicrous to suggest that these boots won't slip out at some point. I know Pete won't sell them but others will. There are stories swirling around that Greater Experience, Magnetics and Johnathan Capree have all slipped out and duped people. I can't prove it, but those are the stories doing the rounds. I did see someone on FB post a boot of one of them and ask how much it was worth. If he got it for free, then he's taking the p*ss. As for soul packs. It is really funny but I was talking to a very well known dealer in the week. You all know him, but he doesn't want to get dragged in. He told me that someone who he wouldn't name but who I apparently know, has been buying up all his junk at 20-25p a pop. All the unsellable stuff that are cluttering up his room like The Softones That old black magic on Avco, the weak Ric Tics, Billy Ocean, (and maybe even Pink Cadillac). I am not going to suggest that is what is happening here, but it does make you think who would buy all that stuff? 2+2 = 5 or 4? That could be why some dealers are so defensive on this topic, because it's good business for them. Next up for booting? Larry Clinton?

Close shave I heard that was.….Yes, and the same with John Edwards 2nd album which I have on acetate, but it was NEVER issued at the time. I think Ian may have had an acetate of Sandra Wright….but I don't believe there is a full release copy out there….unless it's the latest looky-like….and the bootleggers have moved on to albums

Isn't the Metros licensed by Ace / Kent? Has anyone told Ady?

Thanks Pete.

Pete you said "I've got all of them - I've never thought them to be real or tried to sell any." I am sure a lot of people t would like to know what "all of them" are. We know of Magnetics, Salvadors, Sam Williams, Rita Graham, Willie Tee, John Wesley, Districs, greater Experience, Jeannie Tracy, Billy Woods, I was asking what are the other ones? Steve

Read the thread - nobody has got them in any quantity to sell - there's 20 titles, 14 that appear to be known about, probably 3 or 4 people know what the others are. There are none for sale, they have never been up for sale, the people who have got them have a single copy each. If anyone wants to buy mine, let me know and I'll send you the photos. Pete, as you have them all, could you please post up a list of ALL of the titles. That way collectors will know what to be suspicious of. This is the same story that started on here before Christmas with the moody Rita Graham and Willie Tee 45s. I mean the Sam Williams was supposedly "found" at a boot fair in Bolton according to Facebook….75p LOL What is next in the "lookalike challenge"?

Weren't Jimmy Radcliffe and Barry White both songwriter / singers for Banana Splits? I shall have to consult my Hanna Barbara bible.

and mine

Hi Rob, the Papa Luigi nights were about 85, I think we wanted to avoid a visit from the PSC gang asking for Green Door! Ha ha!

On a public forum Chalky? Much later, same with Keb. D&S / PSC didn't book them the later promotor did.

Yes at The Fleet usually first or second. Meant I didn't have to play the aforementioned Right Track, Julien Covay etc.

Stamford I think might have been Russ Towers, he was certainly DJ-ing there. Before the Fleet PSc were running do's at The cresset (Bretton) c.81-82 I am not sure if these were Niters though or just evening do's? And I think PSC became DSC when Stuart Gordon ceased to be involved.

Yep, not sure who was on at the Wirrina that night but it was one or other, not both. I am sure Ken Cox ran the Fleet in 79-82. I also think that PSc clashed with Burton's date not the other way round. Clayton was certainly involved by 82-83 but only as a DJ for PSC / DSC. Also remember that it wasn't just Peterborough people at the allnighters; people from all over came so it would be wrong to categorise it as skins v mods v northern soul etc. But it would be fair to say that PSC didn't like competition in the town hence the rumpus at Stamford when Russ Towers got his face smashed in. The bomb - no one got to the bottom of who planted the shoe box with wires etc. at the Wirrina. I remember we were let back in after 20 mins of the police finding the devise. Today the whole town would be cordoned off for a week.

When did PSC stop running it then about 85? I know I stopped going about that time because it was really basic oldies, "Right Track", "Cause your mine" etc. every time, three times a night. Awful.

We'd gone home long before then billy...

Indeed early morning typing, I shall go back and correct….

I remember DJing at that do in Stamford when a load of Peterborough's finest turned up. They damaged some cars in the car park, broke wing mirrors, scratched doors etc., then I saw Russ coming out the toilets with blood all over his face where he'd been chinned. I think we all ended up round Mick Cooper's flat afterwards.

St Ives alldayers also ran in the early 80s. 84-85. Used to do the modern room there, just found a poster from 84. PSC were running it by then. Ken Cox was, by the way, still about a year or two ago and on FB posting UKIP type stuff on his page. Maybe one to contact Chalky?

A very odd guy. I last saw him on the train to London c.1984 one day (he got on at Huntingdon). By that time he was working for the Israelis doing propaganda of some sort. He bored me all the way to Kings Cross talking about how the real oppressed in the middle east were the Israelis and we'd all been brainwashed by left wing politicians about Lebanon etc. A character I guess!