Hammie

Sorry Russ just thought of another.... TURNPIKES - CAST A SPELL

Hi there Russ give these a try.... The ENJOYABLES - PUSH A LITTLE HARDER & The Carletts(or mis-spelt group name CORLETTS) - IM GETTING TIRED also Nice if you collect the label, get a BARBARA MERCER - CALL ON ME

Lydia Marcelle - Its not like you - Manhattan Precisions - sugar aint sweet - Drew Roger Hatcher - Sweetest girl In the world - Excello Detroit Executives - Cool off - Pameline Johnny Rodgers - Make a change - Amon Poets (as previously mentioned) - J2 Inspirations - gonna find a true love - Bennex (previously unreleased) J T Rhythm - All I want is you - Palmer New Wanderers - Aint gonna do you no harm - Ready Skyliners - Everything is fine - Jubilee Springers - Nothings to good for my baby - Wales and so on........

Demures - £250 I reckon someone will get a bargain here, unless its a quick sale your after. This never turns up on ANY lists, should really add on another 100 - 150 now. I bought a copy off Shifty about 5 years ago for £250 and stuff on his lists tends to be at reasonable prices.

John, I knew about Winfield Parker but Im sure It was a Caressors I saw on a blue label !!!! Good thing I was'nt driving home from yours after all the wine and beer.

Earlier Quote - ''whats the difference in the two labels design/colour first and second release or just diff pressing plants?? or am I dreaming and did not see another on a diff colour label..??? and its the grey matter dissolving'' You are quite right my man. This record came out on a Yellow label and a BLUE label, I have seen several Yellow copies but only ever seen one blue copy when I was once around John Manships house. Unfortunately I dont know which one came first. Should have bought it when I had the oppportunity, seem to remember at the time he wanted £200 for it, but then this was around 10 years ago. 2 yellow copies I have been offered more recently have been around £500 a bit out of range for me at present.

Earlier Quote - ''It was bootlegged on both the white demo & the black issue. I think you tell the difference buy the matix stamp that is only on the originals.'' An original issue of this record is NOT black, the label is infact a light beige colour and the label title INTERNATIONAL SOULVILLE is in red - also very, very rare I know of only 2 copies in the country unless anyone else knows otherwise. I would rate the commoner demo's at £2000 ish (see popsike website) add on perhaps a £1000 for an issue.

Got a mint demo for sale if youre interested at Chalkies valuation let me know Hammie

Had the Sweets, Glories, and the Sweet things on Soultown in the early 70's Dave but they deffinately didnt have a matrix stamp on them. I dont know the originator/manufacturer of these boots/pressings, If we knew maybe they could shed light on the different b side recordings. The one with 'additional' vocals on Soultown may have come from a master tape? Because as is with the Sweets the INSTRUMENTAL version of SATISFY ME BABY was put on the Soultown BOOT where did that track come from? Again was that from a master tape? Love cant be modernized on the SOUNVILLE copy was obviously taken from the Soundville original.

No Terry, the TRIPS was pressed on red & black Soultown. The TRIPPS came out on Victoria. Johnny Moore - Walk LIKE A MAN - Light yellow/black Soultown PRESSING not BOOT(Which is the definition of a look a like) as obviously the real thing was on DATE. The Sweets - SATISFY ME BABY (voc/inst) - Light yellow/black BOOT(because of course the Sweets really DID come out on Soultown on a darker yellow/black label which had a matrix stamp like a real Joe Hicks). Incidentally its easy to tell the boot of this anyway as it has the INSTRUMENTAL on the B side and not as a real one which has the highly desirable vocal B side - SOMETHING ABOUT MY BABY. The Trips - THERE'S THAT MOUNTAIN - red/black Soultown PRESSING as the real one is on SOUNDVILLE but I dont know wether the real Soundville copy has a matrix, but the lookalike BOOT definately does'nt. The Sweet things - IM IN A WORLD OF TROUBLE - Light yellow/black Soultown PRESSING as the real one is on DATE. The Glories - I WORSHIP YOU BABY - think I remember seeing this on red/black & Light yellow/black Soultown PRESSINGS as real one is on DATE. cant think of any more can anyone else? The fantastic RAY AGEE is on PINK & BLACK Soultown (with matrix stamp) Sweets as mentioned earlier. The YOUNGHEARTS - A LITTLE TOGETHERNESS - darker yellow/black Soultown, (with matrix stamp) but I dont know which came first Soultown or Canterbury? There are obviously a few other real records on Soultown but nothing of any note to my Knowledge. Hope this helps.

Mark you are undoubtably right about comparing rareity of the two records, but unfortunately the 'popular demand' factor annoyingly gets involved for us collectors here. ( * see below ) I would say your doing well if you can get a voc/inst copy for about £200 without competition from other buyers say on ebay, the Fast Eddie 102 copy add on £100 as it is a lot rarer and come to think of it you dont see many copies in good nick. * When you look on ebay there are loads of examples of this, how often do you see Jack Montgomery, Ruby Andrews etc.. for sale but amazingly high demand keeps the price at a higher level, we should be getting records like these for £25 a time. I've had at least a dozen attempts to get a copy of Clara Hardy on Tuna but every time they finish there selling for $450. I dont know how many were found but surely if collectors didnt panic we could be getting em cheaper....sorry I've gone off on one here. I know this is a great record and was until a couple of years ago very rare and worth £1500, but again if every one was cool we could be getting copies for around $200 (£100) Does anyone else have an opinion about overpaying for not really rare records (even on Ebay)?

A real copy of Betty Fikes & the Passions looks basically as the boot but the main colour of the label is light blue instead of red. The record is also made from good quality vinyl with a sharpish edge to the record at the run in. The boots I believe are from styrene only. I bought my copy of Butch at Cleethorpes in 2000 for a bargain price of £200, when I Bought it I new I had a deal as I had'nt seen a real one since I was Dj'ing with Soul Sam in the late 70,s. Half an hour after I got it Cliff Steele wanted it off me and was willing to consider a swapping the Capitals on Omen (then worth around £500) as he had never seen a real one. Anyway I decided to keep it as it has got future potential for revival methinks. I was tempted at one time to let Johnny (Manship) sell it for me on his rare auction, but I bet looking at some of the ending prices it might fetch more than £500 now.

Got my first TOBI LARK - HAPINESS... For £3-00 in 1972 or 3 from my local electrical store in Bedford which had a record bar/sound booths. at the time I was earning about a fiver a week on an apprenticeship so had to pay my mum the board and lodgings the next week. My local record shop was a big influence on the start of my collectng, they used to get in imported soul records from Selecta, Contempo, and Global in Manchester every week to order.WE had a list of about a hundred records you could order. In those early days I got myself copies of Thelma Lyndsay-Magic City, Jackie Lee -Darkest Days, Superlatives-Uptite, Vibrations-Epic etc etc.. all originals for 75p each !! First serious purchase in the mid 70's... an issue of Yvonne Baker of Richard Searling at the Casino, he only sold it because he knew it had just been Bootlegged, unfortunately he dropped a clanger as it was the West Coast demo which got bootlegged that was the copy he kept, he asked if I would swap it back for the issue, no chance I said. First £100 record I bought was a Demo of Lada Edmund when I got back on the scene in the early 90's First £1000 record was the Cashmeres on Hem in 2001 thats when I knew I HAD IT BAD

I GOT IT .... AND YES I KNOW ITS A SECOND ISSUE BUT I CANT FIT A 12" IN MY BOX VICAR!!! ONLY JOKING. AND YES I WAS PLEASED WITH THE WINNING BID, AND OF JOHNNY'S AUCTION TOO ! NEARLY WENT FOR A COPY ANDY DYSON WAS SELLING RECENTLY FOR £500, BUT IM GUESSING HE SOLD IT AT PRESTATYN ? I KNOW ITS WHATS IN GROOVES THAT COUNTS BUT I HAVE NEVER SEEN SUCH AN AWFUL RECORD LABEL, YOU NEED TO HOLD IT UP IN GOOD LIGHT TO EVEN READ WHICH SIDE 'GOOD LOVIN' IS ON NEVER MIND THE CREDITS. ANYBODY ELSE THINK OF SOME HORRIBLE RECORD LABELS ? SEEMS MORE COMMON WITH 70'S AND 80'S RECORDS WHAT DO YOU THINK, ADD YOURS

ARABIANS - £200 - £250 (ISSUE UP TO £300) AMBERS - £80 - £100 (ISSUE UP TO £60) GENE CHANDLER - £60 - £80 (DEMO UP TO £100) ARTISTICS - £40 - £60 (DEMO PURPLE VINYL UP TO £100 OR BLACK STYRENE £100) APOLLAS - £60 - £90 (SAME FOR DEMO) ACE SPECTRUM - £100 - £150 (ORD ISSUE £60 OR DEMO £80) DEE EDWARDS - £60 - £80 KIM WESTON - £50 - £75 (ISSUE UP TO £30) BETTYE SWANN - £80 - £100 (DEMO UP TO £120) DEE DEE SHARP - £40 - £50 (THIS PLAYING CARD LABEL) (DEMO UP TO £75) HAVENT SEEN AN ILA VANN FOR SALE FOR AGES EVEN THO I HAVE ONE, HAVE A LOOK ON POPSIKE MAYBE ?

Around £400 for a green issue me thinks. White demo obviously exists but i've never seen one for sale so cant help you there.

Anybody know where I can get me mits on one of these ? Contact me on hamilton_ian@hotmail.com Cheers m,dears

Jackie Lee & Delores Hall werent bootlegged The Furys was

Fantastics on IMPRESARIO 124 - ANYTHING BETWEEN £300- £500 Nice one... l the cheaper stuff on SS7 is good too methinks.

JUST TO PUT THE RECORD RIGHT ON ALL THESE RAMBLINGS.... Marge Dodson is a BLACK jazz artiste Be your baby came out on a Decca jazz album entitled 'A lonely way to live' I dont think its a bad effort as a northern uptempo dancer rarity aside, better than some of the crappy r'n b the scene has suffered in the last few years Johnny Caswell is a northern classic as we all know, oh and incidentally Johnny is a white man and had long black hippy hair at one stage in his music career Freddie Chavez is a mexican The Martells were a white hippy outfit The Embers were a white Beach music band Conny van Dyke is a white country singer Paul Anka was a white crooner Danny Wagner is a Len Barry lookalike Whats rarity or colour of the skin has got to do with wether its a good northern dancer we allbeg to differ

The other version (same backing as Youngblood Smith) is by the DETROIT MAGNIFICENTS Im not sure wether this was obtained from a one off acetate owned by Rob Thomas. I get all my Grapevine promos from Dave Welding - but I do have to buy em unfortunately, still they'll make a nice collection for the future. There's also another vocal version of MINNIE JONES/21st CENTURY - Shadow of a memory which I've also got, but sitting here I,ve forgotten who Its by.

Pete Barons of soul was officially put out on Grapevine last year by John A.

Got an ISONICS - SUGAR of Ebay for $9-99 2 years ago. SHADOWS - My love is gone USA $1-00 amongst a list of Cliff Richards & the Shadows Velvet SATINS - G. AMERICAN (swirl design label styrene wd) $49-00 6 months ago Other bargains over the years.... A real CONNIE CLARK (with monarch matrix) sold to me as a boot at ST IVES £1-00 A real SWEETS on SOULTOWN (With Something about my baby on the other side) not the instro of satisfy me baby, sold to me as a boot at ST IVES £4-00 Best all time bargain..... I bought about 20 records in 1999 from a record shop in Gulfport, Mississippi when on a record trip. The records totalled approx $200-00 when it was time to pay, the guy in the shop was so pleased he said two of the records, which were VG condition I could have for FREE. I said thanks and then left for something to eat... oh did I not tell you, one of the FREE records was.... AL SCOTT - What happened to yesterday, needless to say a mate who was with me at the time said you F***in jammy Bar steward. Biggest COCK UP EVER..... Selling JOSEPH MOORE - MAR-V-LUS at Wigan in 1977 for £4-00 to help me raise some cash so I could buy Margeret Mandolph. I love hearing these sort of stories, so keep em coming

Hi there Hammie (of the south) here..... To my knowledge twas never booted or re-issued even on that yukkie pink n splotchy Wand label do you remember It ?. Believe It or not the record was only like £5 in the 70's !!!!! (yes that old story) Anyway I dont think there is a distinct difference in rarity between a demo and a stock copy.... value..... anywhere between £350 to £500 depending on your purchasing source. Unless of course your lucky enough to find one in your mates old record box - who hasnt been on the scene for years and just wants to get a few squids to get the car thro its next mot so you blag it off him for say a tenner and he's eternally grateful that you've helped him out..... oh so then he says what about this old copy of the Ivory's I've got on Wand too.. are you Interested ? get him to phone me Come on you England

Got a Temptations on an original Gordy Issue If you want It. £15-00 plus £2-00 P & P Ring me on 01234 340408 All the best HAMMIE