Epic

Totally disagree with you, I thought it was really interesting and the quality of the northern records they played was so good that it might even get us a few new converts - Ty Karim, Volcanos, Morris Chestnut...

Don't think I mentioned the records (they were fine) - noticed you didn't put The Carstairs in your list which got a spin.

Thought Winstanley was classic when he slagged the southerners off for playing James Brown.

Yea - listened to it it - the predictable Levine/Winstanley "my records were better than yours" bollox was in there .

Yawn Yawn.

Keep hering this and I cant make me mind up if it sounds like something ive heard or its just bits of diferant songs all put together its doing my head in

https://www.youtube.com/user/sharleenspiterimusic

Just dig out all your sixties female vocal 7's - flip 'em over & I am sure that is where your answer lies.

Sorry Miss Spiteri in the words of Virgil Henry - "You Ain't Sayin' Nothin' New"

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All in pristine condition. All purchased as new releases & never been in a sales box.

The Four Tracks - Charade (Note) £300.00 - ON HOLD

Bill Brandon - The Streets Got My Lady (Piedmont) £300.00

Al Waples - Movin' On (Audio Arts) £60.00

Beloyd - Get Into Your Life-DEMO (20th Century) £90.00

Vilola Wills - The First Time (Bem Sole) £65.00

Four Wonders - Just Looking For My Love (Solid Foundation) £50.00

Don Charles - The Drifter (Parlophone UK) £30.00

Sam Dees - Fragile Handle With Care/Save The Love At Any Cost (Atlantic) £70.00

Dorothy Morrison - I Can't Go Without You (Brown Door) £70.00

Joe Anderson - You & I -Short & Long Vesion (Buddah) £60.00 (Harder to come by than you think!!)

Jesse James - If You Want A Love Affair (20th Century) £45.00 - SOLD

Betty Lavette - You Made A Believer Out Of Me (Epic) £50.00 - SOLD

Ghetto Children - It's Not Easy To Say Goodbye/Don't Take Your Sweet Lovin' Away (Roulette) - Great double sider £50.00 - SOLD

PM'd you Phil with Al Waples soundbyte

Updated

All in pristine condition. All purchased as new releases & never been in a sales box.

The Four Tracks - Charade (Note) £300.00

Bill Brandon - The Streets Got My Lady (Piedmont) £300.00

Al Waples - Movin' On (Audio Arts) £60.00

Beloyd - Get Into Your Life-DEMO (20th Century) £90.00

Vilola Wills - The First Time (Bem Sole) £65.00

Jesse James - If You Want A Love Affair (20th Century) £45.00 - SOLD

Betty Lavette - You Made A Believer Out Of Me (Epic) £50.00 - SOLD

Ghetto Children - It's Not Easy To Say Goodbye/Don't Take Your Sweet Lovin' Away (Roulette) - Great double sider £50.00 - SOLD

Cheques - Postal Orders - Bank Transfer only.

Great tune and thanks to Cunnie for bringing it to my attention.

So is it legit to play it out in this format (if I ever get the chance) ?

Cheers

Paul

Modern & a Re-issue? Could be a tad too many sins in there.

Also how would you classify N.F. Porters "Keep On Keeping On" and the Fuller Brother's "Time's A Wasting"? I seem to remember buying both of 'em as new releases from Record Corner in the 70's along with First Choice......

Ian D

It's very simple really - as my signature has said since the first day of me posting on here.

All records were modern once !!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think a lot of people would argue that "Like Her" - Gentlemen & Their Lady is precisely the kind of disco shite you profess to hate Pete!

Weird innit. I like a lot of Disco but I HATE Gentlemen & Their Lady.......

Ian D

To coin an old Major Lance phrase "It's The Beat"

Updated & 3 more added

All in pristine condition. All purchased as new releases & never been in a sales box.

The Four Tracks - Charade (Note) £300.00

Bill Brandon - The Streets Got My Lady (Piedmont) £300.00

Jesse James - If You Want A Love Affair (20th Century) £45.00

Betty Lavette - You Made A Believer Out Of Me (Epic) £50.00 - SOLD

Ghetto Children - It's Not Easy To Say Goodbye/Don't Take Your Sweet Lovin' Away (Roulette) - Great double sider £50.00 - SOLD

Al Waples - Movin' On (Audio Arts) £60.00

Beloyd - Get Into Your Life-DEMO (20th Century) £90.00

Vilola Wills - The First Time (Bem Sole) £65.00

Cheques - Postal Orders - Bank Transfer only.

Thye majority of your option 2 records all had a 4/4 beat which made them easily accepted as 'northern soul', that's where the difference is

Was just making the point with the "Modern soul sucks" - "if it's not sixties it must be crap" brigade that modern soul has always been part of the Northern soul scene.

Truth be told The Brothers is a pure New York Disco record from the mid seventies - if people want to class it as a Northern Soul instrumental that is up to them.

Steve, you are spot on, it only started to be called modern when the mecca went disco and other venues adopted sounds that were also disco - the records you mention above were all just 'northern soul' records to myself and my friends, it was only a couple of years later when the sound really changed that they started to become 'modern soul' and even then I think we still referred to it as 'disco' until the very late 70's.

This is where the modern/northern debate always falls apart.

There are two types of modern soul to the average northern soul fan.

1. "Modern" - Crap Disco - wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.

2. "Modern" - George Benson, Esther Phillips, Gil Scott Heron, The Brothers etc - 'cos we all know that's not really modern because it was played at all niters so it must be Northern Soul.

Depends if you class it as modern soul. It was played before the "Modern Soul Scene" was started by Sam and Arthur.

I think you will find that Blackpool Mecca was the birth of the Modern Soul Scene - think Sam was still playing Northern when The Highland Room was playing new releases.

In 40 years time Northern Soul will still be Northern Soul.

Will a record like Phyllis Hyman "You Know How To Love Me" still be classed as Modern Soul if you are take the general consensus on this topic so far? Bearing in mind that it will be over 70 years old by then.

All in pristine condition. All purchased as new releases & never been in a sales box.

The Four Tracks - Charade (Note) £300.00

Bill Brandon - The Streets Got My Lady (Piedmont) £300.00

Jesse James - If You Want A Love Affair (20th Century) £45.00

Betty Lavette - You Made A Believer Out Of Me (Epic) £50.00

Ghetto Children - It's Not Easy To Say Goodbye/Don't Take Your Sweet Lovin' Away (Roulette) - Great double sider £50.00

Cheques - Postal Orders - Bank Transfer only.

Balls to this "it doesn't matter what format it's on" malarky espoused exclusively by those without the vinyl or the Sad Girl / Snake / Frank Wilson fraternity.

Would this be the Kenny Burrell/Tim Brown OVO fraternity?

or the got it on a re-issue mate fraternity?

Threads like this remind of a line spoken by Daniel Craig in The Road To Perdition :-

"It's all so f**king hilarious!!"

I could still DJ on Friday by emailing you an i-tunes thingummy with two dozen tracks off Goldmine CDs and a couple out of Refosoul.

Ain't that the truth - if you run short during the night - nip to the 24 hr Asda or Tesco - plenty of Northern Soul compilation CDs there in the audio department.

Think the "Soul Police" would say OVO - then temper that with reasons why carvers, EMIdiscs etc are acceptable.

Personally it doesn't bother me anymore - nor the thousands of people who have danced to a Frank Wilson re-issue over the years. The scene has never been "pure" - & never will be.

I just called to say I love you, Ebony and ivory, Isn't she lovely, yes the list is endless...

Uptight - Nothing's Too Good For My Baby - Angel Baby - I Want My Baby Back - Livin' For The City - All I Do - Another Star - Pastime Paradise etc. etc. etc.

C'mon Pete you,ve got to like some of these!!!!!

Good luck to you, he just doesn't do anything for me that';s all.

I take it you mean as a live act - not some of the wonderful stuff he has done in the studio over the years.

I was only joking but yes, British orignal LOL

Don't wanna start a British vs US originals thread, think we've enough on our plate with this one!

Cheers

Steve

As long as that plate is not a carver!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jerry, the problem is if you start playing CD only tracks on a CD player,it leaves it all wide open to abuse,the next argument would be,theres only a couple of tracks I play on this CD and a couple on that CD ....why bother tacking a box full of CD's...tell you what Ill just burn the tracks I play on to one .. .yeah...can see that working ,DJ could carry is full set on a couple of CD's,they would all be playing big money rare tunes all of a sudden

Bazza

the problem is if you start playing CD only tracks on a CD player - the best place to play CDs I've always found.

tell you what Ill just burn the tracks I play on to one - Which is exactly the same as playing a carver!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Newday - Wait a minute - On Top £12

Somebody buy this - fantastic group sound - best 12 quid you will ever spend!!!!!

Quite right Joe.

Vinylcarvers cuts from CD's or Acetates, or LP's fine, if you have the original. Boots are totaly different IMHO.

Iv'e always been under the impression that bootlegging is done for profit, Illegal copies from which the artist gets no money, just strait in the bootleggers pocket. So what's this got to do with getting a cut from a CD youve bought legitimatly, or one of an unreleased item from an acetate?

Bottom line on boots is, OVO collectors/Dj's don't like any Tom, Dick & Harriet playing boots 'cos it undermines them and makes a joke out of them paying £50, £500, £1000 for an original. Something I fully agree with!

All this royalties to the artist, and such integrity though, is bo**ocks IMHO. Artist gets nothing from a boot, but neither does he get anything from the £500 you paid off JM, or at a 'niter! And before anyone says "Yes, but he got paid from the original sale of it back in '66" get real, what about the masses of stuff found in warehouses in the '70's that never saw a shop? Did they get anything from them? What about Demo's "Not for sale" "Promo only" Did they get anything from them? That royalties and 'respect for the artist argument has more holes than a 'Tom 'n' Jerry' cartoon cheese!

OVO because thats what real collecting is about. Same with stamps, paintings, or anything else, you can't call a collection of fakes a proper collection, and you can't call a Dj that DJ's with boots a proper DJ. If people do it, and of course they do, fine, it has, and always will, happen. Don't go to their venues, don't support the ones that do it. Simple as that.

It's a completly different thing, and a world apart from a legitimate OVO collector/DJ getting a cut done of an unreleased track!

Collecting & DJing are two seperate things.

Nobody on here is ever going to convince me that a carver has any more credibility than a track played off a cd where the only "legitimit" release of the track is on a cd.

If you crave a certain track that you must have it so badly that owning a carver of it is the only option then that is fine & dandy for your own use but please DON'T DJ with them.

So we can never hear out CD only tracks.no matter how good they are ...thats just plain daft IMO

Bazza

Yes - if a forward thinking promoter has a CD deck in the rig he provides.

Or is that too simple an answer.