Epic

Marvin Holmes - "You Better Keep Her"

7 inch & album are totally different cuts.

Leon Haywood - "Consider The Source" - Capitol then 20th Century

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Escapism - Metropolitan Jazz Affair

Came out last year (so it's not really modern ) - try the Patchwork Boogaloo mix - got a Northern/6ts feel to it.

Btw - Love & Happiness is a great vocal too !!

Everytime I hear Bill Bush - "I'm Waiting" I think to myself that is a a definite vinyl disaster .

Lady Lady Lady - Boogieman Orchestra

Rosemary What Happened - Popcorn Wylie

Bari Track - Doni Burdick

The Gallop - Milton Wright

Breakaway - Steve Karmen

All these instrumentals are better than their vocal counterparts IMVHO.

Simple. So you can play it on your record player.

I see now - it's that overwhelming thrill of putting needle onto vinyl - albeit a carver.

Putting a CD into a tray just doesn't give you that buzz.

1 CD = 20 pence (max.) & it can hold 80 minutes of music (over 30 Northern Soul tracks) - fits neatly in your pocket - ideal for the "party" DJ.

How many carvers would you have to buy to equate to the above ? & what would be the cost?

I am just trying to see the logic of carver over CD.

'Tis the devil's work - don't go there!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am curious as to whom these "big money" tunes belong to - & are they willing to lend them you to carve ?- simply put them all on a CD - every "party" has a CD player

but some instrumentals are just backing tracks in reality...there is a difference

So what came first - Doni Burdick or Rose Batiste?

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A guy once asked me what was that record they play at The Highland Room & Wigan called "Brylcreem" - it turned out to be "Doomsday" by Evelyn Thomas - if you listen to the chorus you can kind of understand where he was coming from.

Knew a girl who thought Lou Edwards was "Talking About Uncle"

My youngest son has just got back - he is a massive Jay Z fan & he really enjoyed it. He also thought Candi Staton was good value.

Think we should be thankful that a black American is headlining a gig like that (anything that upsets the Gallaghers makes it even sweeter) - of "our heroes" I think only somebody like Stevie Wonder could possibly be the main attraction at a venue like this.

Soul Improvisations - Van McCoy is a fantastic piece of music - brilliant on the album where you get parts 1 & 2 together.

Absolutely brilliant some of those Mirwood things - well most of them - what about Same Old Thing inst, that was fantastic, I'm Satisfied With You, My Little Girl...they were as good as insts as they were vocal...oh, and to cap it all off, Cigarette Ashes!!!

Love Mirwood stuff to bits anyway - so much so that I got a signwriter to make a sign for my house in the correct font - sad really!!!

Mr Soussan has never done much worthy of a pat on the back but he nearly makes amends by putting these instrumentals out.

Have you noticed on "The Same Old Thing" how in the quieter passages you can hear the vocal bleeding through in the background.

I am right in thinking there were 2 different cuts of "Don't Pretend" instrumental? One with added strings?

Always liked

Hold On Help Is On The Way - G Davis & R Tyler

Harlem Rumble - Frank Foster

Rhona's Theme - RPM Generation

Fiddlin' Around - Don Renaldo

love the Mirwood instrumentals as well - even if they may be a tad suspect in origin.

I could name you probably 1000 better records than that in the last 30 years, let's start with

cecil washington

eddie daye

billy hambric

tempests

imperial c's

lonnie russ

erma franklin

nancy butts

commands

johnny maestro

I mean come on, records played since 78 that are better than the Younghearts...the list would never end!

As usual somebody who doesn't seem to be too keen on a record (ie The Younghearts) tells us there are a thousand better records that have been played - they then list ten good records so as to illustrate that point.

What I actually said earlier in this thread was I was looking for an alternative top 500 which are as good as if not better than the original list.

I also think it was via Inferno - over to you Mr Rushton.

My question is when exactly did playing Soul instrumentals become such a no-no, and why?

When people who played "Police Story" - "Theme From Joe 90" & not forgetting that soulless turd "Interplay" thought it was a good idea.

Why - well just listen to them

Funny old world ,when I come on this site and point out this stuff everyone and their mother has a go at me,when MIKE asks the question you all fall over yourselves to basically agree with him oh well!.Good points from Steve G,Russ Vickers and Chalky.This scene started with THE WHEEL an ALLNIGHTER it carried on with other nighters including the TORCH,CASINO,YATEand many more that were all pretty damn good.We now have with the advent of middle age....THE soul nite,as I've said on numourous occasions theses are mainly attended by folk who like a bit of a jig,few pints......they were never on the scene and they're not now,hence you can play any old crap on any old format,boots c'ds ect ect,cause the punters don't give a toss.The region I live in is full of SUCH places.The promoters/dj's are only in it for the cash/ego and they don't have a clue,We should feel lucky that a lot of these folk don't turn up at the allnighters cause there ain't that many copies of ''ghost in my house to go around'' lol . So rather than havin a go at me,ask yourself this question...why does'nt the promoter of my local venue GO TO ANY OTHER VENUE.....ANYWHERE....EVER....they have absolutely no desire to be part of this scene and no desire to hear newer or underplayed tunes..Heres another thought for you if all the local venues shut down do you for one moment think all the people that attend these places would drive a few miles to another venue....of course they would'nt they would'nt bother and thats a fact.....so we should disregard them. A friend of mine told me he uses the members gallery photos to decide where to go or not,If he can't see anyone he vaugely knows at a place....he stays away.My conclusion!!....the ALLNIGHTER scene (what this scene is really all about from day one) is alive and really kicking from THE 100 CLUB in the south to the awesome nighters in LANCASHIRE/YORKSHIRE region. This is where the scene started and this is where the scene IS NOW. You can walk into any nighter and it is just great to see the same...children of the night that you see all the time,wether you know them or not...It's these people that are the stalwarts of the scene,so as others have said give it time and the rest of em will go to whence they came.....

By your "rule of thumb" it is only All Nighters that have ever meant anything on this scene. I am sure people who attended The Catacombs - Highland Room - Blue Room Sale - Cats Whiskers Burnley etc etc. certainly don't class themselves as people "who like a bit of a jig,few pints".

The Northern Soul Top 500 is regularly slagged off on this site - can somebody who is a "proper soulie" because he "does niters" furnish me with a list of 500 records played in the last ten years which are as good - if not better - than the original 500.

Pictures are OK - it certainly beats listening to them !!!!

One on Ebay "Buy It Now" for £4.99.

Don't think dumbing down is a new phenomenon to the scene.

Huge TV & Newspaper coverage of this "underground" scene was brought to the masses over 30 years ago.

Tailor made records - badges - record labels cashing in - they were all around in the seventies.

As regards people voting with their feet I think you will find the more "commercial" the venue the larger the attendance. Of course people on here will argue that the attendees of thes gigs aren't "real soulies"(whatever that means).

The scene is not perfect - it never has been - until something else is available that is better we have to live with it - warts & all - probably best just getting on with it & perhaps ENJOYING it !!!

I think the northern scene has long been largely a revival scene just regurgitating the same records. It's become largely what I hoped it would never become - a nostalgia scene like the rock and roll scene was years ago with Teddy boys, drainpipes and silly dancing.

Seem to remember Ian Levine saying the same thing - and that was thirty years ago!!!!!!!!!!

Think we have to face facts that the Northern Scene is no longer underground - it hasn't been for a good many years.

Of course there are still little pockets where rare & underplayed soul is played.

Think a lot of it goes back to the mid seventies when your local club would play "a bit of Northern Soul" alongside the pop tunes of the day. I can remember Dobie Gray, Creation etc. being popular with "non - scene" people back then.

30-40 years on these people have bought the CDs & attended a few nights & realised this is their comfort zone. They don't mind that eveybody is 45-60 years old - it is indeed this that makes them want to go to these gigs.

Yes - a lot of these events have become the "School disco" for the over 40s.

Best thing to do is completely wipe Ms Winehouses voice off the record - put Marvin & Tammi in her place - now that would be a tune !!!!