Mal C

Yeah, Tyrone Davis - I'm Running A Losing Race / Sack, is another that has quite a few off centre...

Not that I could ever tell, had both but at different times, so not played them back to back.

Seems his (Johnny Few) mate Tommy Toglio's olderbrother played with Soul Inc. I have reached out to Johnny on FB, I'll report back if he replies. I hope he does.

Awful scan, but Moses Dillard's name is on there, and Ritchie Adams, Congress fame, not the same guy? I guess we have neglected this release, does help tell this story? I found this from the’ Heey baby’ website which outlines all the different members, and the chronology finishes in 69, but no reference to the 'Charms Unlimited' group name, or any links to Soul Inc (pic below) but obviously they are in some form?? Two groups, maybe some crossover of members, but actually Soul Inc and Charms Unlimited only share a song and a label between them? http://www.heybabydays.com/Charms.pdf Anybody got the 'Heey baby’book with interview with the lead singer Johnny Few?

I think it goes like this, if they had this one studio track in 66/67 say, plus some songs for a b-side (Chappel Bells are Calling)? which isnt on the LP, and they are doing live gigs, it doesnt take much of a leap to say, why dont we record a live LP of one of our gigs, and we can put that studio track on it, and also put it out as a 45, hense the reference to the live LP on the yellow emblem 45. Come 69, some sort of shake up in the group, and they are re born into Charms Unlimited, and they say, or the label suggests, why dont you re-record that first 45, and we can put that out. Probably over complicated a very simple series of events, but aside of getting it from the horses mouth, that sound right to me. * does anybody have the 'Heeey Baby Days Of Beach Music' to hand? it was deffo in there.

I thought I had it, but the reverse of the Lp, talks about the opening of the Cellar club, not the night or importantly, the date of the Soul Inc Gig. "Without Fanfare or Publicity there opened in the spring of 1966 in the basement of an old vacant building on East Morehead Street in Charlotte Carolina, a small club aptly names 'The Cellar Club’. I would say, from the quality of 'WGUMCD' against the rest of the tracks on the Lp, that it's recorded elsewhere and at a different time to the Lp, this is just a guess. So, Soul Inc form in Sept 1966. I think that there was a recording session of 'WGUMCD' and that was used in the Yellow Emblem single and added to the LP there after. How does that work? Not at all, I love threads like this... In fact I think I have come to the same conclusion as you Benji, and Ken has said the same, it was recorded elsewhere, the Yellow 45 and track one/side two on the LP. It has to be. When? no idea, but late 66 into 67? re the name change, lots of Soul Inc's out there, and groups that form from other groups do seem to suffer issues with group names. I think it's likely that this is the issue here, it maybe that the 3 approx years we are discussing was too much without having anything much on the market, or very little. Members leave, and new group forms under a new name, and they have cut an old track.

Grabbed this off the net. It would be good to work out which one came first, were these guys in the studio first, or did they decide on a live recording of their gigs, then get the chance to record in the studio. I'm guessing Deacon Poole Promotions were an arm of Calico Enterprises. Just listened to the Lp again, WGUMCD is the only track on there that doesnt have any crowd on the audio. This is a guess, but I wonder whether they intended to release that as a 45, and maybe recorded it in the warm up, or without the club being full... then, why the name change?

Yep, same group, two different recordings, the Live one came out on the wholey live Lp on Emblem, very scant detail on the label or sleeve, but running time 2.18, then again on the Yellow label Emblem 45 same cut, but with longer runnin time 2.23. Then a studio cut came out on the 'Charms Unlimited' on the red/yellow/white Emblem label with an additional ten seconds, or there about. Scans below, dont own the yellow one.

been £300 for yonks that record...

Real shame, Always thought their version of Jimmy Smith, had the edge... proper Mod record... RIP Zoot Money

Very Tricky, my ears are saying YES! My thoughts on AI are saying NO! Ive always told people Ive tried to keep one foot firmly on ther analogue world, and for good reason, but if it sounds good, it's good right? and these tracks do sound 'Oh so good'!

'Are you there Moriarty?'

* It seems I dropped a bollock on 'Jo Armstead / Preacher Rose', so, after over 25 enquires, can I ask 'DONT PM me, it's gone...

Time to start back collecting new new releases, or back to house records, I honestly wonder why folks keep shelling out so much for these 45s, it’s obscene really isn’t it. that said I’m wondering how long these people are gonna hold out, if you buy at the top, no matter what it is, records, playing cards with nude women on them, stamps…you’re gonna loose money… simple economics…

Hi folks, lots more Wednesday Seventies & Crossover! ---------- The Esquires – Listen to Me / Capitol EX++ sorl £15 Sticker on the reverse label, not ‘LTM’ otherwise nice and clean 45. Gene Washington & Ironsides – Got to get Through to You / Colemine EX++£25 Early Colemine releases, was a got to get item when it came out, still sounds the BOMB! Luv Co - Things are not the Same / Spring Demo EX++£20 Another brilliant, sweet soul 45, arr by Gary Sherman, it was always gonna be brill!! Dorothy Moore – Girl Overboard / MALACO EX++ dh £15 Absolute Classic, Sam Dees penned, lovely issue play /label, you need this 45 in the box! Period Two Tons O' Fun - Just Us / Fantasy / Honey Records / EX++£15 Another classic brilliant track from 1980, and a nice nice copy…. Jo Armstead – Got My taste / Preacher Rose EX++ £25 Perfect condition, on a perfect track. The Dynamics – Ain’t No Love at all / Cotillion WD EX++£45 Quality track here, flip is more known, but this is a killer 7ts record. Benny Johnson - Visions of Paradise/ Today EX++ £10 Slick 7ts swayer, not rare, unlike the LP, but absolute class Billy Butler & Infinity - (What Do You Do) When Your Baby's Gone / Pride EX++ £15 From 1973, This is a brilliant laidback grove from the ultra-talented Billy Butler, also on his Pride LP. Syreeta - What Love Has Joined Together / Tamla Motown UK EX++ £20 As far as I know this only got a 45 release in the UK, from 72, this a brill track, really uplifting! come in orig sleeve. ------ I prefer direct Bank Transfer, but you can pay by PayPal either Friends & Family or if I don't know you, you pay for the Pay Pal Fees. Postage: £5.50 for 1st Class signed for (Within the UK) Anything worth over a £50 via Special Delivery, £9.50 (Insured up to £750) within the UK. cheers Malc

Heard 'Inspirations - Your Wish Is My Command' in B&Q last weekend, the unexpected thing was I'd heard it a week before in the same store!

Ok, to finish this thread off, here is a scan of the 9ts boot of this, plus the flip... The date stamp thing is truly horrible, looks awful and it cuts or starts at the drum roll...so incomplete... not good like most I'm not mad on boots, but sometimes you gotta get the best copy you can...

blimey, I mean where do you start? Northern wise, all the big labels, or major labels are out there. You want small label stuff really if you were to find things that were not on CD, obscure Northern tracks on local labels. These are a few I have grabbed, that I have never seen on a CD via Kent or SS, or any of those labels, that said Numero have mede massive efforts in getting the more obscure label / numbers out there, so you really can never tell... and some of these are not straight Northern, probably collectors stuff... If you want to swap Obscure tracks, I have thousands, happy to send some in return, The Toronados - Clap You Hands & Skate / WINLEY Records Inc Little Willie Johnson - Loneliness / VANDELLA'S The Affluents - Tom's Song / USA The New Continentals / TEEPEE

Hi folks, lots of sixties today. ---------- Garnet Mimms & The Enchanters - Cry Baby / United Artists (Canadian) EX++ £20 Very nice Canadian issue of this one. Lots of sheen and clean vinyl, really is nice to look at. Freddie Scott - Hey Girl / Coplix (Canadian) EX++ £20 Another classic sound, and beatuful Canadian copy. Ty Karim - All at Once / Lighten Up / Romark (Kent second issue) EX++ £10 Classic Northern dancer...track for me is 'All at once'... Sam Ward – Sister Lee / Groove City EX++ £20 Seventies boot, nice thick vinyl copy. Prince Arthur & His Knights Of The Round Table - Walkin Uptown / ABC Paramount WD EX++£20 Wicked Organ Instrumental, was featured on 'Soul Class of 66' back in the eighties.. great 45.. Lee Lamont – I’ll Take Love / Back Beat EX+£5 Plays fine, and label is fine, but has a warp.. you can’t here it at all Deon Jackson – You Got Love / You’ll Wake Up Wiser baby / Carla EX++ £20 One of his classic ‘Carla’ sides, common 45, but oh so good… Patrice Valentine – Our Love (A Special Blending) M.J.R records EX++ £30 This has a great Soaring verse, I always thought this was totally right for the 100 club, starts slow, but when Patrice gets there, this track flys!! Steve Mancha – You’re Still in my Heart / Groovesville EX++£12 Classic detroit 45, nice copy, play and label. Harold Burrage – Master key / M-Pac EX+£20 Class early Chicago track from veteran singer Harold Burrage, this is a brilliant track. Garnett Mimms – It Was Better to hurt Her / United Artists WD VG++ £10 Nice clean label, lots of sheen but a few clicks on the intro. ------ I prefer direct Bank Transfer, but you can pay by PayPal either Friends & Family or if I don't know you, you pay for the Pay Pal Fees. Postage: £5.50 for 1st Class signed for (Within the UK) Anything worth over a £50 via Special Delivery, £9.50 (Insured up to £750) within the UK. cheers Malc

your right, they all get the 'i' and the 'e' the wrong way round...

Wow, I remember walking into HMV in B'ham, and seeing multiple copies on display of 'The Northern Soul Story 7' I think they were all £8.99 back then... probably one of the best they did in that series...

I know Trev, I like that "somebody pressed the record button too late" it smacks of those cock ups that make record collecting so interesting. Love the Soul Supply guys, their LP's were essential, but there have been a few instances where the wrong track was laid next to the wrong title, Soul Incorporated on Emblem (Yellow and shield design) for instance on the 'Untouchables' LP... maybe that’s for another thread.

so they cocked up and just started at the drum roll for the Sevens reissue.. It had to come from somewhere! I'm glad we have nearly got to the bottom of this, it's been bugging me for years!

Ahhh. we may never know for certain, but that sounds very plausible doesn’t it? booted form a CD. Do you know what the name of the CD was andy?

Yeah, having listened to them again, you could edit that intro at the drum roll quite easily... as I said, the see through Brown Vinyl one, the earliest boot of this does have the full piano intro. I did think that bootleg was either later 9ts maybe early 2000s as it was discussed on here at the time.