Ady Potts

But surely the Golden Triangle release is just a later re-issue done around the time of the Free Angela Album, on the same label, to help raise funds towards her release from jail ?

Hello Roger, I was shocked as well Roger, but like John always says, you have to look at the facts. If they had pressed Aki Aleong, then Bob Relf on a yellow with the same telephone number on the label, as they did do. Then press a legit orange label with a different phone number (like we all want to believe). Then that would mean that 5 plus years later down the line when they did another legit repress for the UK demand that they had to go to the phone company & get the phone number back that they had years prior. Sorry I'd like to be proved wrong, as I have 3 orange labels & only 1 yellow Regards, Pottsy.

Hi mate, Both John Manship & Paul Mooney have said there was a LEGITIMATE repress done of this record 5 years after it's first release in 1968, for the U.K. market. They have said the pressing company used the same plates. The company had nothing to hide, as it was legitimate, it was good news for them after all. So they are hardly going to put a false telephone number on the label. I'm only looking at the facts. Pottsy.

You sure bout that john ?

But Paul, They couldn't have done. Not unless they somehow got their telephone number changed back to the one they had many years before. pottsy

Oh dear !! So, lets get all this into some kind of order. 1st press = Yellow label, stamped in dead wax, TRANS-AMERICAN - Tel. no 213-384-9334 2nd press = Yellow label, stamped in dead wax, TRANS - Tel. no 213-384-9334 3rd press = Orange label, stamped in dead wax, TRANS-AMERICAN - Tel. no 213-389-9938 Bootleg = Yellow label, Trans-American, thin vinyl, no stamp. May even be a Trans boot ? Pottsy

Hey Ezzie, In further experimentation to validate the authenticity of these records, i've just been testing orange & yellow copies in the bath. Good news mate ! the orange ones float ! When it gets up to neck level, perhaps you'd better load up & come over to my place, nice n dry here Regards, pottsy ps The yellow ones sank

I think you must have your years a bit wrong Paul, because Paul Mooney says this was from 1975. pottsy ps Dont shoot me, i'm just the messenger.

but he is a Fred Dibnah fan !! Now let me think, shall I live in Bolton or California ?

You have a point there Pete, very odd, I must say.

A Classic ! oh no, that came before the mark 1. Sorry, a joke for Capri lovers

Now this is interesting. Just been told, by a man that does know, that the Yellow label was the first to get played over here.

Hello Paul, Would you mind me asking you how you know this, please. Regards, pottsy

I was wondering the same thing Mike, & its a demo without the really good flip side. I bought a demo a while back, didn't think to look out in the barn where I had some

John, From the facts it looks like the yellow label Trans-American (with stamp in dead wax) is the first press. The Orange one is the second press. Its not 'exactly' the same label, because by the time this was pressed they had changed their telephone number. You & Paul seem very definite about this 1973 re-press, as a matter of interest, did you get them done?

So are you saying they had the same telephone number ? Just double check that.

Hello Paul, Are you 100% sure about this? No chance it was an orange issue on Trans-American that was a legitimate repress? They wouldn't have changed the label name to 'Trans' if it was legit. Regards, pottsy

If the telephone number on this Aki Aleong is 213-384-9334, & I cant bloody read it, then it points towards the Yellow Trans-American release of Bob Relf, with the 'stamp' in the dead wax as a first issue. Or even if the tel. number isn't the same, it would seem most likely the pressing plant would carry on using the same paper before swapping to another colour. The tel. no changed on the orange one, its 213-389-9938

Could someone post up a close up scan of the Aki Aleong, please. Would be interested to see the telephone number on the label, I was just wondering if it's the same as the next number, Bob Relf on the yellow label ? Here's a picture or 2 of the yellow label copy, with the stamp in the dead wax that looks like 2 ovals with a 'V' coming from a dot in the centre.

Also, I find it strange that the 2 numbers prior to Bob Relf's no TA-0010 are yellow labels. Village Crusaders - TA-0008 yellow label Aki Aleong - TA-0009 yellow label I know, lets make TA-0010 an orange label, then re-press it on yellow. Cant see them doing that somehow, can you ?

Here's a strange thing. When I first started going out to LA i'd mentioned (prior to leaving these shores) some local titles to collectors out there that I had in small quantity, the 'orange' Bob Relf being one of them. Interesting, they'd never seen them before. All the copies I took out there were grabbed off me within days of landing. It's strange, but the only label colour that had been seen was the odd trashed yellow one. So did someone go out there & grab all the orange stock in one hit in the early days? If you look on popsike they all, apart from one copy, come from the U.K. Or is in fact the 'orange' the second press that was pressed for the U.K. market ? I honestly dont know, but it does look like all the orange ones came over in one lot. So who brought them over ? Perhaps they will tell us ? Just a thought. pottsy

Kens right, on the issue. The daisy stamp is the same as the ones in the dead wax of Capitol label records. But, the demo's were pressed at another plant, & they DONT have the daisy stamp.

Thanks for that lloydee Just need to find out about this one then......

Can anyone give me an idea on the value of these two West Coast 1980's records, please. PRESTON RAWLINGS - A LOVE LIKE YOURS AND MINE - SOUND OF SAN DIEGO. 7". CALIFORNIA GOLD BILALIAN CREATION - SAVE THE CHILDREN. 12". Many thanks. pottsy

sorry Ian, but that is pretty funny. Oh my god, I just thought am I part of this small insular bunch The truth is you miss this 'scene' more than you'd ever admit too, so best not burn bridges you may want to cross again. I have no axe to grind with you, apart from the fact you ate most of my curry when we last talked, but I for one would like to wish you well with your venture, I can't comment on your album or MySpace thingy as i've not looked or listened to it, but good luck with it Goodbye