Ady Potts

It's the 3rd Frank F*****g Wilson ! Banksy had it & never let on

Hi Ian, Just to refresh your memory & to clarify what you have stated. I never "sold" you a record to the value of £500. You would give me part payment in money, the balance was given to me in copies of Danny Leake, Vanicia Wilson, & new releases. I have all our transactions written down. It was never a full monetary deal. ??? Yes, I remember the "Brut" record very well. It was Buddy Smith on Brute, at THAT time a 3/4 known copy record. I said you could have it for a £1000. You left it, I traded it at that same venue & night to a value of £2000. Not moaning, just wanted to clarify what you have stated. Nice to see you dj'ing again Ian. I'm sure it won't be long before you're bitten by the collecting bug again. You were very passionate about collecting 60's & 70's vinyl back then, perhaps you will be again one day. Regards, Ady.

Pete, A few years ago when Ian & myself had a fall out Gavin went straight onto ebay & purchased a Northern record from me. I didn't know who he was at the time, we had never met. I sent the record recorded. Next thing is without any warning he left me a negative feedback. In this negative feedback he called me a "A thief", "A liar", etc. claims I'd sent a punk rock record instead of the Northern record he'd won It took a long time, but eventually ebay removed the feedback due to its malicious content. Ian has since told me he knew nothing of this, that may well of been the case. I'm sure it was just a simple case of Gavin thinking he was helping his friend. Such a shame he did it as it certainly caused me problems through people reading it, I was dependant on ebay at the time for my living Regards, Ady

Mate, you & computers dont mix ! Nice records though

But in your head what you're really saying Phil, is... "I'd have been interested in this when I start collecting again" Go on, admit it, I bet you've had a little bid on a record on ebay recently, just a teeny weeny little one?

You're right Carl. Now I've got of my backside & gone & had a look in the collection I've found a couple as well. Lets see what happens when AndyK contacts Tim to see if his has the step in the label as well.

Exactly Andy

Looking at a small picture of the F.W. that Kenny owns (I've not held the real record) where it has that step in the label..edit...Is that step in Tims record as well ? how come that QUALITY CONTROL stamper stamped such a uniform stamp? Why didn't it miss out the bit in the middle where it went down the dip? Has anyone actually seen the records sat side by side? Ady

I think Coral used them well into the 60's ? I always thought that was a nice touch where they put that shine on the inside of the sleeve, never seen that on a U.S. sleeve. Some years ago I decided to put my records (except the British) into the old U.S. green sleeves. That looks nice when you get a lot of them together. They then fit into white card outers for extra protection. The worst way you can store your records is to put them into those polythene lined sleeves we all used to use years ago. For some starnge reason the polythene reacts against the vinyl after many years of being in contact. The BBC Library used poly lined sleeves, hence why a lot of their records that came onto the market a few years ago have a dull marble effect to the vinyl. Ady.

Also In the U.K., the plain white sleeves used by companies like President with the 'wavy tops', however they did use straight tops as well, are infact the same sleeves as used by companies that had their own colours & names applied, like Stateside & Motown. Ady.

Paul, Don't forget the brown ones that Coral, Vogue Coral, Vogue, Vogue Pop used. These brown sleeves differ to the U.S. type in that they have a faint shiny coating to the INSIDE of the sleeve. Ady.

Bet some bugger will boot them. "I've had my t-shirt booted" ! oh no, just thought, John Manships price guide on t-shirts, followed by John Manships t-shirt bootleg guide Just a thought John, can you put a stipulation into the sales write up on this one....It's being sold under the strictest terms that it wont be sat on top of the local chippies deep fat fryer or have love notes written all over the label. Cheers, Ady

Ian, Just a thought. Re Gilstrap, don't go selling off any of your big records to pay for it until you definitly want it back, you know how these things can go tits up. Re Frank Wilson. What I really think is a shame is when there are only two known copies of a record, both are in nice condition......until they get over here. One ends up warped & with a dubious looking stain on it, & the other copy ends up with a bloody story written on the label ! Unless the owner that does this damage to the record intends to take it to their grave (& that's a very selfish act) then it's down to them to look after the record for the next generation of ownership. That's my humble little view on it anyway. Ady

Hi Ian, Well nows your chance to get it back, Tim Brown has just put it up for auction on his list, £800 kick off https://www.raresoulvinyl.co.uk/auctions.asp Regards, Ady

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Ah, that must be the copy that my mate got then He calls in once a year, plays all my new finds that I've worked real hard to find, writes them down, then goes away & finds them for next to nothing Aint that right Mr.A. !! I stumbled upon the more uptempo side by chance. I purchased a copy for the slow side "This is the beginning" then found the dancer when I flipped it. The Frogdeath label was owned by K.E.L.P. dejay Steve Crosno. Same group as Bobby & the Premiers (Bobby being Bobby Rosales) on the SOULED OUT label, did tracks like "Man about town". Cheers, Ady

Superb song. I think I've mentioned this before, but there were definitly 3 different type sets on the labels of this record, as I had all 3 at the same time. So does this mean Liberty did 3 pressing runs of it? Not a rare record, just a good one. Ady

According to Ruben Molina the El Paso Drifters performed with the El Paso Pemiers, the Nite Dreamers & the Las Cruces Majestics at the City Coliseum, so I wonder if the Drifters were Mexican as well ? Ady

Hi shute, Yes, that was the GA-002 first release. With the '711' number, I think by the time they got to the yellow labels the stampers were pretty much done for. The Honey & The Bees version is good. Ady

Thanks for posting those up, been waiting years to hear the other version

So there's quite a bit of difference between them then?

Any chance you could post up the two takes Chalky? Only know the one version, so don't know if there is much difference? Thanks, Ady

Here's a scan of what it looks like mate. It's been so long since I played it that I can't remember how much it differs (if it does?) from Johnny Moffett, will play it later & find out. Sorry, can't do soundclips yet. Seem to remember the flip "I love you" is ok'ish? Ady.